what do you think ? theres alot of costs up front for the tests, however in the long run, it will pay off IMO
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florida drug testing for people on welfare
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stormcat
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Explain.
Drugs cost money, money they don't have
I'd curious to know if they really would save money. Drug tests aren't cheap. Plus the staffing and logistics required to do so....
Sounds good at first, but would probably be costly and difficult to implement.
Sounds good at first, but would probably be costly and difficult to implement.
That doesn't matter... It's just revenge on them for being poor and an additional humiliation that they have to go through when they hit hard times. The country doesn't wanna admit that they've managed themselves into a shitter so they attack the poor for being a reminder of the shitter that the entire country's in.
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I'm all for the testing... I'd rather see 500million going to welfare costs, and having them not spending it on drugs/booze, than spend 400million on welfare costs with a 1/4 of that money going to drugs/booze/smokes
If you hit rock bottom and need to get money from someone else (government) I don't think you should get it with no strings attached.
If you hit rock bottom and need to get money from someone else (government) I don't think you should get it with no strings attached.
Everybody has a choice in life and are partly to blame for where they end up.
Its not the country's entire fault that people are on welfare, and the choice to spend taxpayers money on drugs is the kind of decision making that usually leads to these people being on welfare in the first place.
I say good on them, those who don't do drugs and actually need the assistance will still get it minus a ****** drug test. Those on the other hand who piss away the taxpayer's money on drugs but cry that they don't get enough will have some serious changes to make.
BTW i get drug tested on a regular basis for my job and its not humiliation, rather a small price to pay to be qualified for a job where the public's lives are on the line on a daily basis.
It's an additional cost yes, but hopefully it will get people to go find a job instead of turning to welfare.
I understand some people are disabled and it's very difficult for them to get a job, but a good portion of welfare people are able to work, they just choose not to.
An at-home example:
My mother has a friend who was laid off from an ok job. She worked for a patient transfer company. This means that she was definitely up-to-date on her first aid training and has other nurse-like training i'm sure.
When she got laid off she went on pogey, naturally, and had something like 36 weeks to find another job.
Fast forward to where she has about 20 weeks of pogey left. She hasn't looked for a job at all. Not because she's disabled or unable, but because pogey is a nice cushy cheque while you sit at home watching tv with your dog.
My workplace went through a massive hiring spree, looking for 200+ people, walk-ins welcome, huge "Now Hiring" sign across the building, basically anyone could be hired for full-time work. It's a super easy job that requires no special training or experience. I told her about it and she seemed a little excited.
Weeks went by and then more weeks went by.
She never came for an interview, nor applied anywhere else, and now her pogey's all run out.
She's still at home unemployed because she was, and still is lazy.
I don't feel any pity for her because it's her fault for putting no effort into getting a job.
The florida welfare/drug test situation could help to get people off their butts and go get a job if they want to keep up with their drug habits.
I understand some people are disabled and it's very difficult for them to get a job, but a good portion of welfare people are able to work, they just choose not to.
An at-home example:
My mother has a friend who was laid off from an ok job. She worked for a patient transfer company. This means that she was definitely up-to-date on her first aid training and has other nurse-like training i'm sure.
When she got laid off she went on pogey, naturally, and had something like 36 weeks to find another job.
Fast forward to where she has about 20 weeks of pogey left. She hasn't looked for a job at all. Not because she's disabled or unable, but because pogey is a nice cushy cheque while you sit at home watching tv with your dog.
My workplace went through a massive hiring spree, looking for 200+ people, walk-ins welcome, huge "Now Hiring" sign across the building, basically anyone could be hired for full-time work. It's a super easy job that requires no special training or experience. I told her about it and she seemed a little excited.
Weeks went by and then more weeks went by.
She never came for an interview, nor applied anywhere else, and now her pogey's all run out.
She's still at home unemployed because she was, and still is lazy.
I don't feel any pity for her because it's her fault for putting no effort into getting a job.
The florida welfare/drug test situation could help to get people off their butts and go get a job if they want to keep up with their drug habits.
There has to be a better way to filter out the abusers of the system. People that need assistance and need the help, Give as much as we can. But to the dope smoking, video-game playing, baby having, cash-job-on-the-side-having ****** monkeys, I'd round them all up and have them working the fields in Saskatoon.
Would you say that in a country that has 30% unemployment rate where statistically, chances are 3 out of 10 that you'll be unemployed not because you don't wanna work but because there aren't any jobs to be had? What if that drug testing program costs more to administer than it would save by denying coverage to drug addicts? How right wing to waste tax dollars just to flaunt your moral superiority. Also remember that addiction is a disease. Will some of that money "saved" go into rehab programs? Are those people supposed to self-rehabilitate? What if they can't? Let them crawl "somewhere" and die?
Florida has an unemployment rate of 8.5%, not 30%. see here
Doing a quick job search (jobing.com), there are plenty of entry-level and part time jobs to help you get back on your feet.
... they need random visits and spot checks this might help... how often does one on welfare have a boy/girl or just friend live with them.... let's see what's in your fridge nothing Why?, it smell's like smoke Why ? Your home at 2pm ? when you can be out looking for a job ...the list goes on......... my 2 cents
8.5 is still bad enough.. Generally you wanna keep it at about 5% to account for workers between jobs and the few bums who just wouldn't wanna work if a job came and bit them in the arse. Question is whether there are enough jobs where most of those 8.5% people live or where they can get to day in and day out and/or if it's reasonably easy to relocate to where there are jobs. An unemployed person cannot easily afford first and last.
You've been in a country that had over 30% unemployment, currently 23.7%. Is a quarter of the population over there responsible for where they are right now and does it deserve to be punished for it? That's what Paul is trying to insunuate.
In any case you fail to address the remaining issues such as whether they would be helped up and offered a rehab program or just kicked while they're already down and whether such a program would save or waste tax dollars.
I hear what you're saying and agree to an extent.
All I'm saying is that a better system to check for abusers of welfare is required. One issue at a time
I hear what you're saying and agree to an extent.
All I'm saying is that a better system to check for abusers of welfare is required. One issue at a time
That, we can both agree on as long as it doesn't end up costing more than it's worth in a country that isn't exactly on its feet right about now
So how are the other 70% surviving then? Go to where there are jobs instead of making excuses. If the choice is go find work or die of starvation the choice is simple. If the choice is go get a job that might be difficult or collect free money its a little easier to do nothing.
Then there really would be no point of doing it, now would there?
My political views aren't left or right wing. Im not a liberal nor a conservative. Anyone in my opinion who labels themselves as one or the other, basically making up their decision before hearing what the issue is, is a complete retard.
Punished? Some people believe that they are "owed" something by everybody else. Maybe thats how you view the world as well, but i dont. When you have a job, and are making a nice living its time to think and plan for the future. Instead of buying that 15,000$ motorcycle, spending 4k on insurance and another 5k on parts put the money away for a not so happy time that may come in the near future.
Just look at the way everyone lives today, on the brink of being broke, yet everyone has the newest gadget and pisses away money on useless garbage.
So do you deserve to be punished? NO. do you deserve the situation you got yourself into? YA, a little bit. Those who want to find a way out do so, those who don't find excuses.
BTW firestart, you're one of the few people on here who i actually enjoy having a discussion with. Instead of getting into name calling and insults you actually add valuable insight and show a different perspective on things. 
