federal election - who are you voting for

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I'm a died in the wool Liberal. I worked on John Turner's national campaign when I was going to Queen's and worked on local campaign's for elections when Jean Chretien was running. I even voted for Iggy so obviously this time I'll be voting for Thomas Mulcair.

Trudeau is a complete balloon head. I can't believe we elected him as leader when you had people like Murray and Cauchon running. The best possible thing that could happen is that that we get completely hammered in the polls so we have to go back to another leadership race and actually elect someone that's capable of being PM. To be honest, I have to agree with the Tory ads, he's just not ready. Unfortunately that's not going to happen, not when you have people like my wife voting Liberal because he "looks good"... WTF

Someone who's plan for job creation is to run a deficit of 10 Bn having people dig holes in the road and fill them in again has lost the plot... this increases GDP how? And what happens when the money runs out and we need to pay it back? Doesn't that depend on having some earnings from exports?

Mulcair is basically a liberal and actually has an actionable plan to generate real jobs without plunging the country into recession as Trudeau will. You can't tax business and entrepreneurs to death and expect them not to move out of country. He is also investing the the right areas

I did have on observation though. As much as I'm not a Tory I thought Flaherty did an amazing job keeping us out of a recession. I have to give him cudos on that.

I will make one point thought, regardless of who gets in none of these promises will ever be implemented and the standard line will be that "We didn't know the books were so bad"
 
I keep telling people the NDP and Liberals have switched camps in this election. Trudeau would have made for an ideal airhead "we can do it if we try" lefty and Mulcair would have been a perfect middle-of-the-road "it all depends" Liberal.

The only hope is that the backroom Liberal party string pullers keep Trudeau in check, because it looks like he's the one who's going to lead government. But I predict there will be a power struggle in the LPC if they get in power, and Trudeau doesn't have the political acumen to win the fight.
 
Boots said:
Latest polls showing liberals at 37 percent and NDP all the way at 24. What gives? I figured the ndp would have garnered more support than that. They deserve it, surely.
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After the last few events pollsters have screwed up I wouldn't believe everything you are told. There's also the political technique of acting like you've already won to try to get people to change ship. I thought I read somewhere that they had no reliable ridings level polling data and that means a lot of these polls are nationwide cold calls on land lines that most young people don't use anymore. Basically a lot of older folk gassing away.
 
fastar1 said:
I keep telling people the NDP and Liberals have switched camps in this election. Trudeau would have made for an ideal airhead "we can do it if we try" lefty and Mulcair would have been a perfect middle-of-the-road "it all depends" Liberal.

The only hope is that the backroom Liberal party string pullers keep Trudeau in check, because it looks like he's the one who's going to lead government. But I predict there will be a power struggle in the LPC if they get in power, and Trudeau doesn't have the political acumen to win the fight.
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Our (The LPC) problem is that there are no solid back room liberals left. A lot actually left when he was elected and went to the NDP. I don't think its an accident that the NDP are drifting further towards the centre.

My biggest concern with Trudeau is he is like a little child, he was closeted all his life. I always recall that video where, after he was elected, his mother got up on stage with him and told Stephen Harper to stop picking on her son. It's been conveniently removed from youtube but if anyone has a link I'd love to see it again.

My concern is that he will be completely ineffective on the world stage.

At Sochi, Putin used to come and hang out in Canada house and make claims that the Arctic belonged to Russia and that Canada should hand it back. I can almost guarantee you that if he is elected Putin will walk right in there, and what will this guy be able to do? At least Mulcair could attempt to stand up to him.

The other thing that we do poorly in the Liberal party is actually represent Canada. We still keep going back to the same old well to elect leaders from a gene pool of White Male Quebecois from French decent. Why couldn't we have elected a Black Lesbian Woman from Vancouver, wouldn't that be more representative of Canada?.... Just saying
 
If BLW@V is best person for job, damn straight.
 
j2 said:
Mulcair is basically a liberal and actually has an actionable plan to generate real jobs without plunging the country into recession as Trudeau will. You can't tax business and entrepreneurs to death and expect them not to move out of country. He is also investing the the right areas
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Bingo.

We are in the process of doing another startup. We were offered Series A investment from BDC (Business Development Canada) and also from Gores Capital/Venrock.

We took the Gores investment, Incorporated in Delaware and got a really, really, really small head office on Market Street in SF.

The US is open for business with 7% corporate tax in Delaware. As much as I would love for it to be a Canadian company we couldn't take the chance that a tax and spend liberal government would drive us out of business in the first year, and we had to pull the trigger before the election otherwise the offer would have been off the table.

The other thing that Justin seems to be confused about is that he's going to tax the wealthiest 1%. How's he going to do it? The wealthiest 1% legally pay less tax than you or I do as they can afford to hide it. Is he going top revamp the CRA and all the tax rules? Anyone earning more than $50k will be hammered.
 
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I cant believe in the middle of such fundamental policy changes like C-51, C-24 and TPP, so manyare so distracted by the carrot dangled in front of them. Liberals and Conservatives both used populous issues like pot, brothels and niqab as a smoke screen while enormously more important issues are brushed under the rug. What is really disappointing is the level of so many voter's intelligence that are completely blind to what is at stake here (like their charter of rights) and can only see who is legalizing pot!!!

Seriously, This is why Plato was against democracy!

Im reading many educated and well informed comments here but then there are those that make you depressed for the inevitable outcome where the few have to go down with the masses!

Pot, prostitution and niqab are not the most important issues when your environment, economy and most importantly, civil rights are at stake!

Not a die hard NDP fan but Mulcair was the ONLY one who opposed harper on C-51 and actually stood up to him while Trudead sucked his thumb like a scared little bay and bowed down to Harper (and yes Liberals voted to take away your right to privacy hand in hand with Harper)
 
I don't want to be surrounded by a bunch of stoned veiled hookers. Do you?
 
inreb said:
I don't want to be surrounded by a bunch of stoned veiled hookers. Do you?
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Haha nope. But it doesnt matter what we all think on these issues. We all have different opinions but my point is, there are far more important issues to base our votes on that pot and hookers. Specially veiled ones ;)
 
inreb said:
I don't want to be surrounded by a bunch of stoned veiled hookers. Do you?
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Just call Canada Las Vegas baby! It sure sounds like fun but, only for a weekend. 4 years? Gonna make me go to rehab!


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So was watching some question session with Harper. When cbc had a question & he was about to answer they just shut him off, lol.

Wtf??
 
Not that it would have made any difference in this particular questioning ... it never does with him. The outcome is always the same.

But the link pls?
 
j2 said:
At Sochi, Putin used to come and hang out in Canada house and make claims that the Arctic belonged to Russia and that Canada should hand it back. I can almost guarantee you that if he is elected Putin will walk right in there, and what will this guy be able to do? At least Mulcair could attempt to stand up to him.
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Educate me pls .....what does "stand up to him" mean when we are talking politics, Putin and a Canadian politician? People use the term freely, almost daily, but it's full of BS rhetoric in my opinion. I cannot imagine you meant physically standing up to. It surely cannot be militarily, nor in any other way, since the current establishment has positioned Canada internationally so badly, read poorly. BTW, we mean nothing in the environment policies either ... so, I am not sure where all the "standing up" is coming from. I can see Mulcair, mono tonally delivering his opinion based on a legal merit, I just don't see him getting passionate about anything so the other side actually notices the conversation. I have nothing against Mulcair, but he's just missing some important ingredient ... perhaps he's too grandfatherly for me.

Just a reminder that the current leader has apparently tried to stand up to Putin ... not sure it really worked ... LOL (for Harper and Canada I mean, Putin could not care less)
 
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I think Putin could care less. I think he'd keep dividing his care in half infinitely. He would just keep doing that until Justin cried.
 
ashkan said:
Haha nope. But it doesnt matter what we all think on these issues. We all have different opinions but my point is, there are far more important issues to base our votes on that pot and hookers. Specially veiled ones ;)
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They are definitely not as important as the others you have mentioned in your other posts. But I think they're still pretty important issues. (not saying you don't think they are but there are some who don't, and the rest of this post isn't directed towards you it's just a rant)

Something like pot has affected millions of Canadians, including myself in a very negative and undeserving way. I almost got kicked out of my house for smoking a joint because of the stupid stigma surrounding it. That stigma is largely because of its illegality. And now, despite what everyone in the family thought of me, I'm in the top 15 percent of my program at my school.

Prostitution also affects a good bunch of people and the Tories just won't listen to the people on what they want. They merely impose their own ideas.

And this little detail highlights a bigger issue with Harper. There's no sense of negotiating with him. He does the talking, you do the listening, what he says goes. We all saw this even in his ability to deal with the native Canadians. His refusal to meet with Kawapit after walking 1600 kms through Ottawa to meet with Harper to discuss the idle no more movement. Or even when Harper wouldn't talk to chief Spence. Or even his lack of ambition to inquire about missing and murdered aboriginal women.

Like, congratulations, you can keep the economy 'relatively stable', and people will debate that, but there's more to Canada than just the economy, and lower taxes and money in general. Call me what you want, but it is such a god damn shame that the money is what's going to divide Canada. That's all Harper sees when he looks at Canada. What a ******* shame that we've been reduced to dollar signs and who's gonna pay the lowest taxes and what not.
 
RockerGuy said:
So was watching some question session with Harper. When cbc had a question & he was about to answer they just shut him off, lol.

Wtf??
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Ha, Ha.

I love watching Harper and the CBC. They hate each other. Its the best Television.

When harper got in initially he had the CRTC look at CBC Revenue.

A 30 second national spot during prime time on the CBC costs around $135,000. CBC have 16 minutes of ad avails every hour so in theory they can generate over $2 million per hour and over $13million in that 6 hour prime time window. Multiply that by 365 days and that’s over ¾ of a billion dollars for 6 hours on one channel. They have 6 national channels running 24x7x365 so to air on the side of caution they probably do around $6Bn in ad revenue per year. Special events like the Olympics brought in another billion in ad revenue.

BTW, every network publishes their spot pricing on line so it’s publically available if you search.

They also get over $5 from your cable or satellite bill so 7MM subscribers in Canada x$5x12 months is another $420 mm per year
The also get another $1.2 billion of tax payers money + one off payments for Digital and Equipment Upgrades + funding for producing Canadian Content

So conservatively their budget is probably around $10 billion Their peak viewership is around 750k so they spend about $13,000 per viewer on an annual basis

BTW, they don’t pay tax on any of this, even ad revenue.

If you consider Fox in the US, their gross revenue is around $13Bn and their operating revenue is around $5bn and their mean number of subscribers in the US is around 12mm at any time.

That means that they spend $416 per subscriber.

Harper cut government funding back to $1.2Bn and as a result high paid, non-unionized workers at the CBC were asked to take a pay cut.

Mansbridge’s total package including bonuses dropped from $2.2mm to $1.8mm – still not bad for 5 hours work a week. Most of the other senior reports followed suit so Mansbridge now has this complete hate on for Harper, (probably the same on Harpers side) and it shows.

The CBC is just another great government boondoggle where Canadians are pissing away money and no party wants to address it. I don’t know about you, but being able to watch Canadian content like “Wind at my Back” isn’t just that important to me. Give me Family Guy on Fox any day.

I wonder how Mansbridge will feed about Trudeau when he starts taxing the wealthiest 1%

I say this knowing that the CBC were a good customer of mine. They always paid over and above the going rate and I sure do miss those $2000 lunches at Harbour 60:)

Having said all that, the average CBC employee probably makes less that their counterpart at CTV.
 
Boots said:
They are definitely not as important as the others you have mentioned in your other posts. But I think they're still pretty important issues. (not saying you don't think they are but there are some who don't, and the rest of this post isn't directed towards you it's just a rant)

Something like pot has affected millions of Canadians, including myself in a very negative and undeserving way. I almost got kicked out of my house for smoking a joint because of the stupid stigma surrounding it. That stigma is largely because of its illegality. And now, despite what everyone in the family thought of me, I'm in the top 15 percent of my program at my school.

Prostitution also affects a good bunch of people and the Tories just won't listen to the people on what they want. They merely impose their own ideas.

And this little detail highlights a bigger issue with Harper. There's no sense of negotiating with him. He does the talking, you do the listening, what he says goes. We all saw this even in his ability to deal with the native Canadians. His refusal to meet with Kawapit after walking 1600 kms through Ottawa to meet with Harper to discuss the idle no more movement. Or even when Harper wouldn't talk to chief Spence. Or even his lack of ambition to inquire about missing and murdered aboriginal women.

Like, congratulations, you can keep the economy 'relatively stable', and people will debate that, but there's more to Canada than just the economy, and lower taxes and money in general. Call me what you want, but it is such a god damn shame that the money is what's going to divide Canada. That's all Harper sees when he looks at Canada. What a ****ing shame that we've been reduced to dollar signs and who's gonna pay the lowest taxes and what not.
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I agree Boots. These are issues that need to be resolved. Im not a pot user but i personally think it should be legalized. Im also not someone who would pay for sex but i think its the two adults personal choices what they want to do with their bodies. Same thing for niqab. Im an atheist and not a fan but democracy is democracy. I think there should be situations where niwab should be removed but in general, leave them be. Dont intrude in my life and i wont intrude in yours kinda deal. These are of course my opinions and everyone has theirs.

What i was trying to highlight is that there are far more dundamental issues (as you also mentioned) that we as Canadians need to be focused on. These politicians use smoke screens to distract us from more important issues and use wedge issued to divide us. This worked great for cons last time around too.

But yes we are in agreement sir!
 
Is niqab an identity issue and should it be banned.

Answers:

Conservatives: Yes

NDP: No

Liberals: Well you see, identity issues are Canadian issues and while we respect Canadian values, the circumference of a maple leaf in relation to the beaver is in agreement with values....Time for real change!
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This is why i have zero respect for Liberals.
 
Boots said:
Something like pot has affected millions of Canadians, including myself in a very negative and undeserving way. I almost got kicked out of my house for smoking a joint because of the stupid stigma surrounding it. That stigma is largely because of its illegality. And now, despite what everyone in the family thought of me, I'm in the top 15 percent of my program at my school.
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Interesting. I bet it wasn't just a(1) joint or you wouldn't laud your academic performance (despite, because, w/e) with pot. How do you know you wouldn't be top 5% if you abstained or smoked more? The stigma associated with pot, among those who stigmatize it, isn't because illegality, but because cautious, wise and personal experience. They recognize that pot affects people differently, you could just as easily experience induced schizophrenia, paranoia, lethargy or loserness etc. These are your parents, not people who laugh at you from the street corner. They're invested. I'm glad things are working out for you.
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