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Not everyone who goes camping conglomerates and has a "Frat party". Like I said, I just want to go sit in the woods somewhere with my wife and stare off through the campfire into the trees.

Just like not everyone who goes golfing in those "parties of 4" are not going with 4 buddies from 4 different households while tooling around in a golf cart sitting side by side, and with some travelling to different areas to go to these different golf courses to begin with. And then going their own ways aftewards and potentially dragging the vid back to 4 different areas.

I get it, hill to die on, yadda yadda. But if they think Golf is magically safer than the same 4 people sitting around a campfire in a campground (or crown land, or wherever), they're kidding themselves.
If it comes down to vacation time and you have nowhere that wants to let you in, send me a message and I can probably get you a spot in the woods ~one hour east of you. Fair warning, there is a lot of poison ivy.
 
The lack of heavy handed enforcement thus far during this pandemic is a big factor in leading us to this point. A few token $750.00 fines doesn't cut it. This whole enforcement thing reminds me of how many modern day parents operate, warning their kids of consequences that the kid knows will never happen.
 
This whole enforcement thing reminds me of how many modern day parents operate, warning their kids of consequences that the kid knows will never happen.

Nailed it.

Dougie is that parent who counts to 3 under threat of sending a misbehaved child to his room, and then after counting to three 10 times lets the still misbehaving child watch Pokemon instead.

I'm in a cranky mood today because of the fact I see what should have been a summer of "mostly normal" slowly slipping away.

If I was premier there'd be fire and brimstone right now. I'm just tired of this stupidity of ripping the bandaid off slowly and extremely painfully instead of just yanking it off (IE hard lockdown) and then moving forward.

If I felt like another 2 weeks sitting home staring at the wall and watching TV would actually yield something out the other end I'd feel better about it, but at this point those of us actually giving a **** and trying to follow the rules keep doing that over and over again only to find things going backwards regardless because some don't feel the rules apply to them.
 
It is disheartening at this point for sure. Hopefully in the next few months we'll start seeing some real progress from vaccinations ?
 
Apparently 500,000 AZ vaccines at pharmacies waiting for arms. Toronto pharmacies seem to be very heavy on supply with few arms as Toronto residents are eligible for Pfizer/Moderna. Outside Toronto pharmacies are getting shipments of ~200 doses when they expected 2000. As soon as health canada drops the age limit for AZ, I'm driving to TO for a shot.
 
It is disheartening at this point for sure. Hopefully in the next few months we'll start seeing some real progress from vaccinations ?

I think that cat is out of the bag....it was as early as March, and it's only got worse since then.


This is unless somehow Canada (and Ontario) somehow comes into staggering arounds of vaccines all of a sudden.

Apparently 500,000 AZ vaccines at pharmacies waiting for arms. Toronto pharmacies seem to be very heavy on supply with few arms as Toronto residents are eligible for Pfizer/Moderna. Outside Toronto pharmacies are getting shipments of ~200 doses when they expected 2000. As soon as health canada drops the age limit for AZ, I'm driving to TO for a shot.

The AZ thing seems to be a clusterfuck - some pharmacies are cancelling appointments because they've run out, others say they've got surplus and nobody in the currently restricted age groups taking it despite the risk of bloodclots being less than someone taking birth control (which man of these same people were probably on for potentially decades), doctors in remote areas are screaming that they should send the unwanted stuff to them as they could get it in arms yesterday, etc etc etc.

They need to clear up the muddy waters around AZ. Again, the risk is small when compared to things people have done for years. It's certainly less risky than getting covid. Put out some facts and blitz it in the news far, wide, and often.
 
Have to keep walking away from certain threads.

Points are like butts, everybody has one, but some like to really over-embellish theirs.
 
The AZ thing seems to be a clusterfuck - some pharmacies are cancelling appointments because they've run out, others say they've got surplus and nobody in the currently restricted age groups taking it despite the risk of bloodclots being less than someone taking birth control (which man of these same people were probably on for potentially decades), doctors in remote areas are screaming that they should send the unwanted stuff to them as they could get it in arms yesterday, etc etc etc.

They need to clear up the muddy waters around AZ. Again, the risk is small when compared to things people have done for years. It's certainly less risky than getting covid. Put out some facts and blitz it in the news far, wide, and often.
Apparently some pharmacies with excess would love to transfer them to places that are crying for it but they aren't allowed. I am not sure who set the rules, but once it arrives at a pharmacy it stays there until it goes in an arm at that location (and if there aren't enough arms, it just sits there). Hopefully someone will amend that stupidity shortly.
 
Have to keep walking away from certain threads.

If you're referring to me, fair game, like I said, I've gone all cranky pants tonight and am venting.
 
@george__ maybe some light on the horizon " introducing fines for non-essential businesses that refuse to let their employees work from home when they are otherwise able to." Based on past performance, a tiny dim light as they just use "essential" to eliminate every possibility of enforcement but a twinkle.

 
Pfft...what businesses/factories aren't considered "Essential" anymore?

During the first lockdown I went into fully operational factories running under the "essential manufacturing facility" exemptions that were full tilt making things that were absolutely positively not essential by any stretch.

This is the thing...they need to actually get serious about this if they're going to do it again.
 
Have to keep walking away from certain threads.

Points are like butts, everybody has one, but some like to really over-embellish theirs.
The ignore function works wonders . It actually makes these controversial threads work .
 
@Baggsy More information on K2V. Surprise, surprise, nothing close to CE's explanation of LTC homes. Imo, it is likely a denominator issue and poorly thought through vaccine targeting. Based on your description, there are probably very few people that live in K2V so a single outbreak (say a multi-generational family) could load the infection and deaths per 10,000 people. Ontario active average is 7.6 cases/10,000. So based on today comment, K2V would have around 12 cases/10,000 over the last three months. 748 people lived in K2V in 2011 (first data I found). So that's approximately one person in K2V with covid at any time (or more likely a spike and then fizzled out).


“Since January, the K2V postal code in Ottawa had 44 per cent more cases per 10,000 than the provincial average,” the premier’s office said.

“As well, this postal code saw 25 percent more COVID-19 deaths. These indicators were considered in addition to the fact that this postal code's sociodemographic data from the most recent census shows a racialized community of over 40 per cent.”
 
A year or so ago I was talking to a psychiatrist I know and we speculated that maybe by the fall (2020) we would see some light at the end of the tunnel but realistically it would be spring 2021 before we saw serious results. It's spring 2021 and the end isn't in sight. We've lost ground.

I don't know anyone that has confidence in the federal, provincial or municipal governments.

Older people are peeved that they can't enjoy the fruits of their labours and younger people are peeved that they can't afford to buy a house. The media works one against the other. The marketplace feasts on the results.

I had a discussion with my wife about future life enjoyment. For the record she's a little bit of a germaphobe but not obsessive compulsive.

She can't picture ever eating inside a restaurant again. Take out / drive through is OK.

No public transit

No bus, train or air travel.

No concerts, movies or live performances.

If we drive and stay over at a hotel we will take our own pillows. A few hours earlier someone else was breathing into the hotel ones.

Camping doesn't work due to some ache and pain issues. Camping is and will continue to be a disaster anyway.

What's left?

Day trips and pack a lunch but where to? Events are out because of crowds and just to see the scenery isn't a big thrill because we've seen just about everything within a two hour drive. A bit of hiking is a possibility or a flea / antique market if it isn't too crowded.

That leaves what everyone else is doing, gardening and renovations. Fine dining at home.

We are strong believers in the social bubbles so can't have company the way we would like. Come for a backyard, socially distanced coffee if it doesn't rain.

While the protesters anger me I can sometimes understand their mentality. They remind me of the wildest chick I ever dated. She was a born again Christian and one day she came out and said "Jesus is coming and I want to have some fun before he gets here."

The end is near.

BTW We're fine and will adjust but there are members here that are at a greater disadvantage, having special problems in their families be it health, kid or finance issues.
 
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Not everyone who goes camping conglomerates and has a "Frat party". Like I said, I just want to go sit in the woods somewhere with my wife and stare off through the campfire into the trees.

Just like not everyone who goes golfing in those "parties of 4" are not going with 4 buddies from 4 different households while tooling around in a golf cart sitting side by side, and with some travelling to different areas to go to these different golf courses to begin with. And then going their own ways aftewards and potentially dragging the vid back to 4 different areas/households.

I get it, hill to die on, yadda yadda. But if they think Golf is magically safer than the same 4 people sitting around a campfire in a campground (or crown land, or wherever), they're kidding themselves.

You just don't get it. You made an apples and hand grenades comparison. You can't possibly congregate in groups while golfing the way you possibly can while camping. The nature of the game makes it statistically impossible.
 
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we golf twice a week, walk the course in Oakville, not near anybody. you book on line and pay online, marshall in the parking lot sends you off. Its safer than walking on the street in a subdivision. Pee before we leave home.
 
Wife and three girlfriends have done a 'gals'weekend' for years , camping in a small trailer and getting liquored for 4 days . All 4 of them have had both shots of Phizer , but its 4 households in 1 trailer. I told them to mothball it this year unless things are VERY different in August.

Risk for them is likely zero, but its the optics.
 
we golf twice a week, walk the course in Oakville, not near anybody. you book on line and pay online, marshall in the parking lot sends you off. Its safer than walking on the street in a subdivision. Pee before we leave home.
AND, no body has to touch the pin anymore. Bonus.
 
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