If it comes down to vacation time and you have nowhere that wants to let you in, send me a message and I can probably get you a spot in the woods ~one hour east of you. Fair warning, there is a lot of poison ivy.
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Elephant in the Covid room
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Green Meenie
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The lack of heavy handed enforcement thus far during this pandemic is a big factor in leading us to this point. A few token $750.00 fines doesn't cut it. This whole enforcement thing reminds me of how many modern day parents operate, warning their kids of consequences that the kid knows will never happen.
Nailed it.
Dougie is that parent who counts to 3 under threat of sending a misbehaved child to his room, and then after counting to three 10 times lets the still misbehaving child watch Pokemon instead.
I'm in a cranky mood today because of the fact I see what should have been a summer of "mostly normal" slowly slipping away.
If I was premier there'd be fire and brimstone right now. I'm just tired of this stupidity of ripping the bandaid off slowly and extremely painfully instead of just yanking it off (IE hard lockdown) and then moving forward.
If I felt like another 2 weeks sitting home staring at the wall and watching TV would actually yield something out the other end I'd feel better about it, but at this point those of us actually giving a **** and trying to follow the rules keep doing that over and over again only to find things going backwards regardless because some don't feel the rules apply to them.
Green Meenie
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It is disheartening at this point for sure. Hopefully in the next few months we'll start seeing some real progress from vaccinations ?
Apparently 500,000 AZ vaccines at pharmacies waiting for arms. Toronto pharmacies seem to be very heavy on supply with few arms as Toronto residents are eligible for Pfizer/Moderna. Outside Toronto pharmacies are getting shipments of ~200 doses when they expected 2000. As soon as health canada drops the age limit for AZ, I'm driving to TO for a shot.
I think that cat is out of the bag....it was as early as March, and it's only got worse since then.
'We can't vaccinate our way out of this:' Etches warns of rising COVID-19 levels; 49 new cases on Friday
Across Ontario, 1,250 new cases of novel coronavirus were reported on Friday.
ottawa.ctvnews.ca
This is unless somehow Canada (and Ontario) somehow comes into staggering arounds of vaccines all of a sudden.
The AZ thing seems to be a clusterfuck - some pharmacies are cancelling appointments because they've run out, others say they've got surplus and nobody in the currently restricted age groups taking it despite the risk of bloodclots being less than someone taking birth control (which man of these same people were probably on for potentially decades), doctors in remote areas are screaming that they should send the unwanted stuff to them as they could get it in arms yesterday, etc etc etc.
They need to clear up the muddy waters around AZ. Again, the risk is small when compared to things people have done for years. It's certainly less risky than getting covid. Put out some facts and blitz it in the news far, wide, and often.
Apparently some pharmacies with excess would love to transfer them to places that are crying for it but they aren't allowed. I am not sure who set the rules, but once it arrives at a pharmacy it stays there until it goes in an arm at that location (and if there aren't enough arms, it just sits there). Hopefully someone will amend that stupidity shortly.
If you're referring to me, fair game, like I said, I've gone all cranky pants tonight and am venting.
@george__ maybe some light on the horizon " introducing fines for non-essential businesses that refuse to let their employees work from home when they are otherwise able to." Based on past performance, a tiny dim light as they just use "essential" to eliminate every possibility of enforcement but a twinkle.
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Pfft...what businesses/factories aren't considered "Essential" anymore?
During the first lockdown I went into fully operational factories running under the "essential manufacturing facility" exemptions that were full tilt making things that were absolutely positively not essential by any stretch.
This is the thing...they need to actually get serious about this if they're going to do it again.
During the first lockdown I went into fully operational factories running under the "essential manufacturing facility" exemptions that were full tilt making things that were absolutely positively not essential by any stretch.
This is the thing...they need to actually get serious about this if they're going to do it again.
Brave leader? What's that?
pfbmgd
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The ignore function works wonders . It actually makes these controversial threads work .
They exist. Just not in canadian or US politics.
@Baggsy More information on K2V. Surprise, surprise, nothing close to CE's explanation of LTC homes. Imo, it is likely a denominator issue and poorly thought through vaccine targeting. Based on your description, there are probably very few people that live in K2V so a single outbreak (say a multi-generational family) could load the infection and deaths per 10,000 people. Ontario active average is 7.6 cases/10,000. So based on today comment, K2V would have around 12 cases/10,000 over the last three months. 748 people lived in K2V in 2011 (first data I found). So that's approximately one person in K2V with covid at any time (or more likely a spike and then fizzled out).
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“Since January, the K2V postal code in Ottawa had 44 per cent more cases per 10,000 than the provincial average,” the premier’s office said.
“As well, this postal code saw 25 percent more COVID-19 deaths. These indicators were considered in addition to the fact that this postal code's sociodemographic data from the most recent census shows a racialized community of over 40 per cent.”
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“Since January, the K2V postal code in Ottawa had 44 per cent more cases per 10,000 than the provincial average,” the premier’s office said.
“As well, this postal code saw 25 percent more COVID-19 deaths. These indicators were considered in addition to the fact that this postal code's sociodemographic data from the most recent census shows a racialized community of over 40 per cent.”
A year or so ago I was talking to a psychiatrist I know and we speculated that maybe by the fall (2020) we would see some light at the end of the tunnel but realistically it would be spring 2021 before we saw serious results. It's spring 2021 and the end isn't in sight. We've lost ground.
I don't know anyone that has confidence in the federal, provincial or municipal governments.
Older people are peeved that they can't enjoy the fruits of their labours and younger people are peeved that they can't afford to buy a house. The media works one against the other. The marketplace feasts on the results.
I had a discussion with my wife about future life enjoyment. For the record she's a little bit of a germaphobe but not obsessive compulsive.
She can't picture ever eating inside a restaurant again. Take out / drive through is OK.
No public transit
No bus, train or air travel.
No concerts, movies or live performances.
If we drive and stay over at a hotel we will take our own pillows. A few hours earlier someone else was breathing into the hotel ones.
Camping doesn't work due to some ache and pain issues. Camping is and will continue to be a disaster anyway.
What's left?
Day trips and pack a lunch but where to? Events are out because of crowds and just to see the scenery isn't a big thrill because we've seen just about everything within a two hour drive. A bit of hiking is a possibility or a flea / antique market if it isn't too crowded.
That leaves what everyone else is doing, gardening and renovations. Fine dining at home.
We are strong believers in the social bubbles so can't have company the way we would like. Come for a backyard, socially distanced coffee if it doesn't rain.
While the protesters anger me I can sometimes understand their mentality. They remind me of the wildest chick I ever dated. She was a born again Christian and one day she came out and said "Jesus is coming and I want to have some fun before he gets here."
The end is near.
BTW We're fine and will adjust but there are members here that are at a greater disadvantage, having special problems in their families be it health, kid or finance issues.
I don't know anyone that has confidence in the federal, provincial or municipal governments.
Older people are peeved that they can't enjoy the fruits of their labours and younger people are peeved that they can't afford to buy a house. The media works one against the other. The marketplace feasts on the results.
I had a discussion with my wife about future life enjoyment. For the record she's a little bit of a germaphobe but not obsessive compulsive.
She can't picture ever eating inside a restaurant again. Take out / drive through is OK.
No public transit
No bus, train or air travel.
No concerts, movies or live performances.
If we drive and stay over at a hotel we will take our own pillows. A few hours earlier someone else was breathing into the hotel ones.
Camping doesn't work due to some ache and pain issues. Camping is and will continue to be a disaster anyway.
What's left?
Day trips and pack a lunch but where to? Events are out because of crowds and just to see the scenery isn't a big thrill because we've seen just about everything within a two hour drive. A bit of hiking is a possibility or a flea / antique market if it isn't too crowded.
That leaves what everyone else is doing, gardening and renovations. Fine dining at home.
We are strong believers in the social bubbles so can't have company the way we would like. Come for a backyard, socially distanced coffee if it doesn't rain.
While the protesters anger me I can sometimes understand their mentality. They remind me of the wildest chick I ever dated. She was a born again Christian and one day she came out and said "Jesus is coming and I want to have some fun before he gets here."
The end is near.
BTW We're fine and will adjust but there are members here that are at a greater disadvantage, having special problems in their families be it health, kid or finance issues.
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You just don't get it. You made an apples and hand grenades comparison. You can't possibly congregate in groups while golfing the way you possibly can while camping. The nature of the game makes it statistically impossible.
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Wife and three girlfriends have done a 'gals'weekend' for years , camping in a small trailer and getting liquored for 4 days . All 4 of them have had both shots of Phizer , but its 4 households in 1 trailer. I told them to mothball it this year unless things are VERY different in August.
Risk for them is likely zero, but its the optics.
Risk for them is likely zero, but its the optics.
AND, no body has to touch the pin anymore. Bonus.
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