Elephant in the Covid room

[GreyGhost]

The government had a year to work on this . They have field hospitals set up and not used . As far as I know . . Where is the military with their field hospitals . They called in the military for a snow storm .

Beds aren't the problem, staff are. Imo, the field hospitals are mostly theatre with some utility. They brought in military docs/nurses for LTC, based on what docs in york and Toronto are saying now regarding staffing it would make sense that they came back. Since we haven't had a press conference from the knob in chief detailing the deployment of troops, I assume that means they are not deployed. Military has a lot more trucks and grunts than medical staff so they aren't nearly as effective a tool for this problem but every bit helps at this point.

 

[Wingboy]

When there is an emergency in teen mental health. We need to talk about it . Hold the government accountable . Long term effects from these lockdowns .

Talk about it. Very delicate subject. It has been proven that teen suicides can be contagious. It almost reached epidemic numbers years ago in Woodstock years ago.
The Toronto newspapers used to publish the Bloor viaduct jumpers years ago, and there were always a few more in the days after. They stopped, and the jumpers stopped. Mental health doesn't get near the attention that it should.

 

[GreyGhost]

Talk about it. Very delicate subject. It has been proven that teen suicides can be contagious. It almost reached epidemic numbers years ago in Woodstock years ago.
The Toronto newspapers used to publish the Bloor viaduct jumpers years ago, and there were always a few more in the days after. They stopped, and the jumpers stopped. Mental health doesn't get near the attention that it should.

TTC has gone back and forth a few times on this too. It is a difficult line for them. They don't want to trigger further events but at the same time people hammer them for being incompetent and constantly having disrupted service. Are they still using "problem at track level" as their wording? For me, I don't see that as much different than saying the actual words as it was a specific set of words assigned to a specific event.

 

[timtune]

The government had a year to work on this . They have field hospitals set up and not used . As far as I know . . Where is the military with their field hospitals . They called in the military for a snow storm .

Just shows you how badly broken our healthcare system is .

I'm calling BS. They've had decades to prepare. How can we not have planned ahead for this? I expected someone would take the "Pandemic Emergency Response " binder off the shelf and then start checking out which PREPLANNED response fit our scenario the best. Utter incompetence.

 

[Evoex]

I'm calling BS. They've had decades to prepare. How can we not have planned ahead for this? I expected someone would take the "Pandemic Emergency Response " binder off the shelf and then start checking out which PREPLANNED response fit our scenario the best. Utter incompetence.

Didn’t the liberals shutdown our pandemic team?

 

[wonderings]

The government had a year to work on this . They have field hospitals set up and not used . As far as I know . . Where is the military with their field hospitals . They called in the military for a snow storm .

Just shows you how badly broken our healthcare system is .

Think this is more a big city problem. I know smaller towns are not seeing this kind of influx and beds being taken up. That is why people are being shipped out of Toronto to other hospitals because it is not nation wide every hospital is filled like the headlines make it sound.

 

[GreyGhost]

I'm calling BS. They've had decades to prepare. How can we not have planned ahead for this? I expected someone would take the "Pandemic Emergency Response " binder off the shelf and then start checking out which PREPLANNED response fit our scenario the best. Utter incompetence.

If you can get paid to do nothing for your whole career and get a head smack if you're the keener that gets something done, it is tough. Not all government functions this way but there is an annoyingly large chunk that does.

 

[GreyGhost]

Didn’t the liberals shutdown our pandemic team?

One of the last few gov't killed it. Can't remember which one.

It is really hard to maintain a constant state of readiness for something that has historically only been a major problem every 100 years.

Even things like the mask supply are a hot potato. They spend millions buying them, millions storing them and then millions throwing them out because they expired. Repeat that cycle over and over and people complain about government waste. One cycle out of every 20, you need them. A smarter approach is probably a government (or subbed) DC for common items so things like masks and gloves have a stock of xx million but they are constantly rotating as hospitals replenish the stock they use. The opposite of JIT but you are sitting on the warchest of current stock if it is required. The system they had sounded like a buy/store/dump and repeat every five years (which means 20% of the time you are sitting on stock that is about to expire and questionably useful anyway).

 

[Evoex]

One of the last few gov't killed it. Can't remember which one.

It is really hard to maintain a constant state of readiness for something that has historically only been a major problem every 100 years.

Even things like the mask supply are a hot potato. They spend millions buying them, millions storing them and then millions throwing them out because they expired. Repeat that cycle over and over and people complain about government waste. One cycle out of every 20, you need them. A smarter approach is probably a government (or subbed) DC for common items so things like masks and gloves have a stock of xx million but they are constantly rotating as hospitals replenish the stock they use. The opposite of JIT but you are sitting on the warchest of current stock if it is required. The system they had sounded like a buy/store/dump and repeat every five years (which means 20% of the time you are sitting on stock that is about to expire and questionably useful anyway).

I don’t see it as waste, I see it as the cost of being prepared! Rather have it and not need it etc.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Long term effects from these lockdowns

And there would certainly be long(er) term effects of having done nothing either.

There is no perfect answer, but fixating on one thing and saying it’s all stupid because of that isn’t really a viable process either.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Even things like the mask supply are a hot potato. They spend millions buying them, millions storing them and then millions throwing them out because they expired.

Your process of rotating stock is the solution to that. Its not difficult, it just needs some planning and logistics. And yeah, there would be costs involved.

Unfortunately when some people see the costs involved or shipping, say, a skid of gloves from a central repository in Ontario to a hospital somewhere (possibly out of province) versus using existing supply lines of medical products from less centralized warehouses (as happens now), and then repeat that times thousands of skids a month to hospitals everywhere, the general public loses their **** and screams that its “wasteful government spending” because all they see is the dollar signs, not the reasonings or justification for it.

So instead, let it rot in the warehouses instead and just throw it out when it expires.

 

[Wingboy]

I'm calling BS. They've had decades to prepare. How can we not have planned ahead for this? I expected someone would take the "Pandemic Emergency Response " binder off the shelf and then start checking out which PREPLANNED response fit our scenario the best. Utter incompetence.

With my personal experience dealing with the system over the last 3 years, i have nothing good to say about the system.
It's surprising they are doing as well as they are.

 

[DownUnder]

One of the last few gov't killed it. Can't remember which one.

It is really hard to maintain a constant state of readiness for something that has historically only been a major problem every 100 years.

Even things like the mask supply are a hot potato. They spend millions buying them, millions storing them and then millions throwing them out because they expired. Repeat that cycle over and over and people complain about government waste. One cycle out of every 20, you need them. A smarter approach is probably a government (or subbed) DC for common items so things like masks and gloves have a stock of xx million but they are constantly rotating as hospitals replenish the stock they use. The opposite of JIT but you are sitting on the warchest of current stock if it is required. The system they had sounded like a buy/store/dump and repeat every five years (which means 20% of the time you are sitting on stock that is about to expire and questionably useful anyway).

Even mom and pop corner stores have figured out FIFO ... govt is on a whole nother level of incompetence.

 

[pfbmgd]

I'm calling BS. They've had decades to prepare. How can we not have planned ahead for this? I expected someone would take the "Pandemic Emergency Response " binder off the shelf and then start checking out which PREPLANNED response fit our scenario the best. Utter incompetence.

That would only make sense . My employer had people involved in emergency planning at each of our locations . They had meetings over the years to plan . When this started it's like no one knew what to do .

My point is it's a year of lockdowns . A year of graphs of loom and gloom . Yet nothing is in place to deal with the surge of cases . Just the same failed plan of more lockdowns .

I think woke politics took over . Instead of doing what is right . They pandered to the politically correct .

 

[ToSlow]

I don’t see it as waste, I see it as the cost of being prepared! Rather have it and not need it etc.

Only problem was they sent the PPE to china and left Canada scrambling,

 

[Evoex]

Only problem was they sent the PPE to china and left Canada scrambling,

No one said they were smart. ?

 

[timtune]

That would only make sense . My employer had people involved in emergency planning at each of our locations . They had meetings over the years to plan . When this started it's like no one knew what to do .

My point is it's a year of lockdowns . A year of graphs of loom and gloom . Yet nothing is in place to deal with the surge of cases . Just the same failed plan of more lockdowns .

I think woke politics took over . Instead of doing what is right . They pandered to the politically correct .

How could woke politics have anything to do with this. Being aware of racial injustice doesn't mean you need to fail in a pandemic. They are not connected.

 

[pfbmgd]

How could woke politics have anything to do with this. Being aware of racial injustice doesn't mean you need to fail in a pandemic. They are not connected.

Well keeping the flights coming from the center where the virus originated . Just so you won't get called racist . Is a complete failure . How does that help in a pandemic ?

 

[timtune]

I see your point but there's a big difference between being racist doing something smart that may at first glance appear racist. The fact the gov hasn't the balls is another story

 

[pfbmgd]

I see your point but there's a big difference between being racist doing something smart that may at first glance appear racist. The fact the gov hasn't the balls is another story

The government is in distraction mode . They pull the race card on everything . If you disagree with them you are alt right . Just distractions from their wrong doings and failures .

The vaccine distributions are a disaster . People only getting one shot not two of the vaccines . Yet the media is quiet about this . No hard questions to politicians . Just softball fluff .