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48Connor said:
I got my shot today (Moderna)! Pretty lucky that my work secured some doses from public health and set up a vaccine center on site.

We've had 3500 people a day come to site for a year now and while we've had people with covid, haven't had any spread between workers. Pretty amazing when you think about it
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I guess we can rule out Canada Post as being your employer.
 
So I just reluctantly booked my vaccine. It's probably irrational, but I worry about fertility. I worry about the sketchiness of something that skipped alot of testing in the interest of speed. I worry about why people in sketchy places are pushing so hard for something that they plainly tell us isn't going to solve our problems. I mean they are flat out telling us that there is no return to normal now, even after vaccines.

My significant other and I, have been trying to conceive. We haven't been trying long so we aren't worried about other factors or anything like that, but we previously discussed waiting for the vaccine. Well as the media continues to report record numbers, even at (what was supposed to be) the tail end of the worst lockdown yet, even with the vaccination rates etc, she's now succumbed social pressure to book, and thus I have thrown in the towel and decided that I might aswell too.

Maybe if I heard about other people who've been vaxxed, who have gotten pregnant since, or if somebody could point me to a study that can put my mind at ease, then I wouldn't worry so much. But they can't even come up with a good lie, it's all `you're being stupid, there's nothing to see here` rhetoric.

Once again, maybe I'm being irrational, but at the same time, is it?
 
JTR said:
So I just reluctantly booked my vaccine. It's probably irrational, but I worry about fertility. I worry about the sketchiness of something that skipped alot of testing in the interest of speed. I worry about why people in sketchy places are pushing so hard for something that they plainly tell us isn't going to solve our problems. I mean they are flat out telling us that there is no return to normal now, even after vaccines.

My significant other and I, have been trying to conceive. We haven't been trying long so we aren't worried about other factors or anything like that, but we previously discussed waiting for the vaccine. Well as the media continues to report record numbers, even at (what was supposed to be) the tail end of the worst lockdown yet, even with the vaccination rates etc, she's now succumbed social pressure to book, and thus I have thrown in the towel and decided that I might aswell too.

Maybe if I heard about other people who've been vaxxed, who have gotten pregnant since, or if somebody could point me to a study that can put my mind at ease, then I wouldn't worry so much. But they can't even come up with a good lie, it's all `you're being stupid, there's nothing to see here` rhetoric.

Once again, maybe I'm being irrational, but at the same time, is it?
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Since widespread vaccine rollout is only a few months old I don't know of much anecdotal evidence regarding conception. My SIL is pregnant and her ob-gyn is pushing patients hard to get vaccinated asap. The ob-gyn has seen multiple still-births that she thinks covid played a role in. Obviously I don't know if the ob-gyn is correct in her beliefs but she is crystal clear when conveying them to her patients.
 
Congrats grey, best wishes for a healthy child. I have read that they are saying that pregnant women are considered as part of the at risk group, and thus are advocating for them to get in now. I had read a report also that there was a 3rd party lab that had taken up testing fertility(since it was among the testing batteries skipped), but too soon to expect any reports.

Children of men, that's the scenario that scares me. There was also a stargate SG1 episode where a miracle vaccine made the population sterile. Yes I'm a bit of a nerd, but these things aren't outside the realm of possibility. Especially in today's socio-economic climate.
 
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Children of men, that's the scenario that scares me. There was also a stargate SG1 episode where a miracle vaccine made the population sterile...
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Given Phizers traditional area of expertise, male super verility might be more of a problem.
 
JTR said:
Congrats grey, best wishes for a healthy child. I have read that they are saying that pregnant women are considered as part of the at risk group, and thus are advocating for them to get in now. I had read a report also that there was a 3rd party lab that had taken up testing fertility(since it was among the testing batteries skipped), but too soon to expect any reports.

Children of men, that's the scenario that scares me. There was also a stargate SG1 episode where a miracle vaccine made the population sterile. Yes I'm a bit of a nerd, but these things aren't outside the realm of possibility. Especially in today's socio-economic climate.
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One of their friends in the US was a thalidomide baby so they were understandably hesitant for her to get a shot without a track record. Rolling out something (or a half dozen different versions of something) worldwide without long-term studies and especially with minimal study of edge cases is definitely something to be concerned about. On the other hand, variants seem to be causing more problems in younger people and will a covid infection affect your fertility or health long-term? We don't know the answer to that question either.

My thinking is this doesn't look like it will be completely under control so odds are high that everybody catches it eventually. Being vaccinated before you catch it improves your odds of avoiding serious issues due to the illness. Other people may come to a different conclusion and that's ok. Hopefully they looked at science and not quackery when deciding what was best for them.
 
ToSlow said:
Yep believe all the **** the government is spewing

I’m sure some of the hospital deaths being called covid is also not
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One also has to consider the deaths caused by covid but not of covid.

Heart attacks in Peel were up 19% because of reluctance to go to a hospital. Also, there would be a reluctance to assist an unknown individual.

The real number is the number of deaths in a period against a previous period.

Also, the focus is on how many died. There is little talk about the survivors that have or will have chronic problems later in life and the medical costs.

In an ugly war there are weapons designed to wound not kill. A dead body can be left for later. A wounded one uses up resources.
 
GreyGhost said:
I was expecting some extension but considering five weeks got us from ~4500 to ~3000, if they really want well below 1000, we may not be halfway through lockdown three yet.
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The only hope it that the curve does a nosedive as vaccines kick in. As the weather warms the BBQ's and soccer games will be fighting against the vaccine effect. I'm not planning for anything before mid June.
 
JTR said:
So I just reluctantly booked my vaccine. It's probably irrational, but I worry about fertility. I worry about the sketchiness of something that skipped alot of testing in the interest of speed. I worry about why people in sketchy places are pushing so hard for something that they plainly tell us isn't going to solve our problems. I mean they are flat out telling us that there is no return to normal now, even after vaccines.

My significant other and I, have been trying to conceive. We haven't been trying long so we aren't worried about other factors or anything like that, but we previously discussed waiting for the vaccine. Well as the media continues to report record numbers, even at (what was supposed to be) the tail end of the worst lockdown yet, even with the vaccination rates etc, she's now succumbed social pressure to book, and thus I have thrown in the towel and decided that I might aswell too.

Maybe if I heard about other people who've been vaxxed, who have gotten pregnant since, or if somebody could point me to a study that can put my mind at ease, then I wouldn't worry so much. But they can't even come up with a good lie, it's all `you're being stupid, there's nothing to see here` rhetoric.

Once again, maybe I'm being irrational, but at the same time, is it?
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You would have to be a fool to not check out the possibilities. Many questions with little in the way of historical data.

Will the vaccine affect the chance of conception? Is it a male or female problem or both?

Will having a baby after getting vaccinated affect its development? Male / female issue?

Will exposure to Covid affect a developing fetus? Read up on Gene Tierney and rubella exposure. An infected fan "Just had to meet her" while Tierney was pregnant. If it is a problem all it would take is one doting aunt to want to see the baby bump.

Goggle "World sperm count decline" and pick your source. We started running out of ammo before covid.
 
nobbie48 said:
You would have to be a fool to not check out the possibilities. Many questions with little in the way of historical data.
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Adenovirus-based vaccines, have successfully passed clinical trials previously, and have not been linked to any kind of insertion mutagenesis unlike other viral vector drugs.

mRNA based medications like the Pfizer shot, has never been approved for use, as none successfully passed stage 3 trials. So there is zero historical data to base any long term assumptions on.
 
JTR said:
Children of men, that's the scenario that scares me. There was also a stargate SG1 episode where a miracle vaccine made the population sterile. Yes I'm a bit of a nerd, but these things aren't outside the realm of possibility. Especially in today's socio-economic climate.
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I love post apocalyptic and dystopic stories, this seems to be a lot like so many stories where the world ends. Everyone gets a jab of something that is supposed to save us, heal us, cure us and in turn it does the opposite! Speaking of Children of Men, the book actually takes place in 2021. Maybe fiction is becoming reality.
 
JTR said:
So I just reluctantly booked my vaccine. It's probably irrational, but I worry about fertility. I worry about the sketchiness of something that skipped alot of testing in the interest of speed. I worry about why people in sketchy places are pushing so hard for something that they plainly tell us isn't going to solve our problems. I mean they are flat out telling us that there is no return to normal now, even after vaccines.

My significant other and I, have been trying to conceive. We haven't been trying long so we aren't worried about other factors or anything like that, but we previously discussed waiting for the vaccine. Well as the media continues to report record numbers, even at (what was supposed to be) the tail end of the worst lockdown yet, even with the vaccination rates etc, she's now succumbed social pressure to book, and thus I have thrown in the towel and decided that I might aswell too.

Maybe if I heard about other people who've been vaxxed, who have gotten pregnant since, or if somebody could point me to a study that can put my mind at ease, then I wouldn't worry so much. But they can't even come up with a good lie, it's all `you're being stupid, there's nothing to see here` rhetoric.

Once again, maybe I'm being irrational, but at the same time, is it?
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Wife and I tried for our second this year and she's now due in November. Recent doctor appointment the doctor spoke to her about the vaccine and said vaccine's are traditionally tested in animals for 18mo minimum before human testing so obviously this was rushed and people (especially those pregnant or wanting to be) should go into it with concern. Doctor also said that the baby is less affected by things (vaccine included) the farther along they are, so pregnant women wishing to be vaccinated but who are also hesitant might be better advised to have the shot in later trimester.
That likely doesn't help your concerns, but it's some answers from another doctor.
 
Regarding the "Was the vaccine rushed" concerns, here's a great science based article that allays a lot of those fears and explains exactly why.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

COVID-19 vaccine: How was it developed so fast?

With vaccine approvals underway, MNT spoke with medical experts about how COVID-19 vaccines were designed so quickly without compromising safety.
www.medicalnewstoday.com www.medicalnewstoday.com

So, it's not exactly all as "new and untested" as many perceive. And it's also a great example of what science can do when all of a sudden theres unending billions of dollars and limitless supplies provided to the scientists.

Will Covid ever go away completely? Increasingly it's seeming unlikely. But that doesn't mean it's all for naught right now - the science continues learning and the next mountain is treatment in addition to continued vaccines. If Covid is here to stay it'll matter a whole lot less in a year or two when those who catch it anyways can just head to a pharmacy and pickup a pill that reduces the symptoms to little more than a cold, or maybe a mild flu. A few days down at worst, and you're on your way.
 
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