Mad Mike
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I'm OK with court as an option. Take your case to court and win, get your $285 reinstatement fee back. Lose, pay the standard $750 fine of .
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Elephant in the Covid room
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The regional plates are a thing in Poland anyway. Each major region / province has their own designation on the plate so you always know who’s out of town.
Might now work for our areas as you want to make it a 416/905/613/519 region but there are ways around it. Sticker on the plate would work.
Renewal stickers can become larger and identify. TO/MI/WL/KG whatever. Don’t think it’ll ever happen.
Might now work for our areas as you want to make it a 416/905/613/519 region but there are ways around it. Sticker on the plate would work.
Renewal stickers can become larger and identify. TO/MI/WL/KG whatever. Don’t think it’ll ever happen.
It looks to me the communities (postal codes) that tend to get hit the hardest seem to be lower income, sometimes multiple generations in the home, no sick leave, with many people working low paying front line jobs (grocery stores, food services, warehouses etc.). I bet many are also taking transit increasing the exposure.
People driving around and breaking the rules tend not to be from these areas. More "entitled" people driving to areas that are not locked down, because they are entitled.... but their postal codes are not hot spots. It is dumb but this does not look like the main spread vector.
So the answer is road blocks? How does that change any of the above other than the feel good aspect of maybe punishing some entitled a$$holes?
People driving around and breaking the rules tend not to be from these areas. More "entitled" people driving to areas that are not locked down, because they are entitled.... but their postal codes are not hot spots. It is dumb but this does not look like the main spread vector.
So the answer is road blocks? How does that change any of the above other than the feel good aspect of maybe punishing some entitled a$$holes?
Bingo!
... and the hardest hit postal codes, that are low income, high density, no sick pay etc etc tend to be younger, so haven't had access to vaccines.
The higher income postal codes, tend to be older, MUCH better prepared to "isolate", MUCH more likely to be ABLE to work remotely ... so of course they've all been vaccinated once and are prepared to put a knife in your back to get a second one.
Look at what Thunder Bay did.
In my mind this the elephant in the room
The higher income postal codes, tend to be older, MUCH better prepared to "isolate", MUCH more likely to be ABLE to work remotely ... so of course they've all been vaccinated once and are prepared to put a knife in your back to get a second one.
Look at what Thunder Bay did.
In my mind this the elephant in the room
I fully agree.
Again, good in theory, nearly impossible in practicality.
The "big fat fine" thing could put a scare into people, but given as how all the fines that are being laid out through all this have amounted to a giant joke (seriously, $275 to $1275 for just outright breaching quarantine.... WTF?) there's slim to no chance that anyones going to put in any sort of serious fine for travelling outside ones health region.
If the fine for breaching quarantine was $50,000....you want to believe that news would get around quick and people would take it seriously.
If the fine for leaving your health region if you're in a super hotspot was $10,000, people would pay attention.
But when people are flying into Toronto and outright refusing to go through the quarantine process and just walk away and get served with a petty $500 fine, well, no wonder people continue to just laugh it off and flaunt the whole process. Region based fines would be no different.
You have a right for mobility and association with others in Canada.
Queen's Park can only prohibit your rights by having the MPPs voting to invoke Section 33 of the charter.
These COVID tickets are already unconstitutional, adding more unconstitutional fines isn't an answer, when none of the MPPs in Queen's Park have the balls to invoke Section 33.
Pretty much, blame the poor while enjoying a level of privilege is par for the course right now.
Constitution? You're on the wrong side of the border.
Pay $500 (maybe, if it sticks) and quarantine at home vs. pay $1800 to spend 3 days in a budget hotel that may or may not be a petri dish. That's a no brainer.
COVID-19 cases linked to quarantine hotel being investigated by Toronto Public Health
Toronto Public Health (TPH) is investigating COVID-19 cases linked to a quarantine hotel near the airport.
toronto.ctvnews.ca
The complete suppression of all information regarding that is BS. "We are balancing the right to privacy". Like (&^(&*^ you are. You are drawing the curtain around a situation that would make you look incompetent. You should not be naming names but it is entirely reasonable to discuss whether staff or passengers were infected and how you think that happened.Pay $500 (maybe, if it sticks) and quarantine at home vs. pay $1800 to spend 3 days in a budget hotel that may or may not be a petri dish. That's a no brainer.
COVID-19 cases linked to quarantine hotel being investigated by Toronto Public Health
Toronto Public Health (TPH) is investigating COVID-19 cases linked to a quarantine hotel near the airport.toronto.ctvnews.ca
Nope, we have a constitution, the Constitution Act, 1982, which includes many other laws as part of our constitutional law. Specifically in this case the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which is a part of our codified constitution, which makes government restrictions on citizens illegal unless passed as a motion in the provincial assembly to invoke Section 33 of the Charter itself.
Ford won't try to get a vote in, as the other parties will say he is declaring martial law, which in effect it is. And no one in opposition will fall on that sword to prevent Ford from looking like the bad one.
No law supersedes the Constitution, provincial governments can have laws and regulations that infringe on it. As long as they invoke Section 33 when exercising the powers. No vote of MPP's, no Section 33 invocation.
Mad Mike
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If you want to be a constitutional scholar, you should probably read the constitution and study a bit of law. The purpose of mobility rights is to keep the state from restricting you to live in any single province and to prevent the state from prohibiting your entry or exit across provincial or national borders.
Its not an absolute right to unrestricted movements wherever you please. Lawmaker do not infringe on your rights when they close a park, highway or restrict your ability to gather.
Canadian constitutional scholars have addressed many common perceptions/concerns. CanLII Connects - COVID-19 & the Canadian Constitution
I sat on a conference call with Michael Bryant who heads the CCLA now last spring about the constitutional legalities of the initial lockdowns. His opinion and the CanLII don't really say a great deal different opinions. Using Section 1 of the Charter to impose reasonable restrictions, can't be typically used affect society as a whole, even the CanLII article you posted agrees.
Which brings us back to the current method of blanket lockdown of society, which likely won't pass muster under Section 1, and would require Section 33 to be invoked.
It's a simple vote in Queen's Park to make all of these rules legally binding without the perhaps years of legal fighting up through the courts. So why not just complete the vote and then we'd have nothing to argue about?
Once Michael Bryant murdered someone and then went drinking to solidify his defense he lost any authority to comment on legal matters. It is an embarrassment that CCLA allowed him to be associated with their name.
And this is one of the reasons I haven't been riding much recently..... Yeah, we seem to have escaped the absolute worst case by the hair of our chin, but we're not out of the woods yet lest anyone think this is all for naught.
Hope your BIL is well. Where did he end up if you don't mind sharing?
He lives in Thornbury. They took him to Toronto for the surgery, but changed their mind because there wasn't enough room for recovery. They then sent him to Barrie. Again no room, and then to Collingwood. Lol. He's home now doing fine.
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