drunk idiots messing with my bike

[Prince]

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For every reaction, there's an equal and opposite reaction. OP would have got a charge of assault, the punks a warning. That's justice in Ontario.

OP move your bike for a while as there will be more to this story as punks return to taunt you. And/or, offer free barbecue and beers on here which will get some bikes, and friends around your place for a while

 

[bobjohnson]

I went after an impaired driver after said impaired driver abandoned the car and fled into a park after running from a hit and run. When I caught and dragged that impaired driver back to the street just two or three minutes later, there were already two police cruisers there and four more arrived with seconds after that. Someone called 911.

You bring up that Chinese storekeeper. For that one the police arrived within minutes of getting a 911 call about a kidnapping in progress.

Maybe your experience is different, but mine is that 911 calls get responded to plenty quick in most cases unless all hell has broken loose alll over. Crimes in progress qualify for 911, as does holding a suspect for police.

Heres one that JUST happened. Lady in one of those Mercedes B-classes. Doing at least 80 on bloor street, rolled up behind me at a stop light. I was sure she was going to smash into me. Screeched her tires, stopped inches off my back wheel. She then proceeds to ride my rear tire for about 200 feet, peels into the right lane, almost smashes into stopped bus with its emergency triangles out, tries to force me out of my lane. Then she gets back in behind me, screeches her tires, pulls into the left turn lane, and runs a red light at bloor/dundas. I look behind me, and who do i see? Torontos finest. They were LAUGHING in their car, either at the attempted homicide, or the lady running a red light, i have no idea. But they followed ME instead. Why, because im on a bike? (my big intimidating 1980 125cc bike no less...)

Yep, to serve and protect. Except when you actually need them. You have a woman who made at least 3 traffic violations right infront of them, including 2 that could have been potentially life threatening, but they cant be bothered to stop her.

Its nice that the police come for you, but only ONCE have I ever had the police show up when i call 911, and that was when i saw a car get t-boned by a semi truck at highway 7 and rexdale blvd. Took 30 minutes. The ambulance and fire were there in 5. Hell, once i called 911 because my meth addict neighbor was smashing his girlfriends face off the driveway. Again, the cops never showed up. Like i said, i dont even bother anymore because its a waste of my time. Maybe if i saw something incredibly urgent like a guy waving a gun around, i would call. But for regular things? **** it. Whats the point?

 

[Baggsy]

??? And that rant has to do with someone puking on a bike how???

 

[cujoe]

if you had let them go when they sayed they didnt want any trouble maybe your bike would only need 2 be cleaned, so maybe get some anger management help!

 

[bobjohnson]

??? And that rant has to do with someone puking on a bike how???

Turbo claiming you should call the police to deal with your problems. Im saying the police do NOT care about your problems. Yet again, you may want to go back and read the whole thread before you add a comment.

 

[alaywa]

OP I had a similar thing happen to me in the UK. I "did the right thing". I saw 2 drunks tip my bike from my 2nd floor maisonette window. I ran downstairs, saw them 30 meters up the road laughing and smashing every car mirror on the way. The walked out of my site but returned 5 mins later walking back my way along the other side of the street smashing all the mirrors. I called the police, walked on the other side of the street reporting the incident and exactly what they were doing. Gave an EXTREMELY detailed description as I was 30 ft away. Drunk retards didnt even notice me on the phone across the street staring at them and following them. They went into a pub 3 blocks down. Police arrived 15 mins later and interviewed me and made me describe everything AGAIN! I told them there were in the pub across the street and hadnt left since I saw them enter.

Cops showed up at my door 15 mins later and said their were 2 people who matched one suspect and no match for the second, and on that basis they could not hold anyone. I was in shock. I said get them both and I'll ID them. They said no, it has to be fair, a picture lineup. I said get 5 guys and I'll sit in the car and pick the guy, and they wont see me. They said no, and they were not going to pursue it.

They asked if I wanted to report it. I said, "what for, you are clearly useless". One cop silenced the other ****** off cop and they both left. I got in my car with my wife and staked out the pub. 30 mins later 1 vandal emerged. I called the cops again and said, come now, he is right outside and I will personally walk you by the hand up to the guy because you couldn't manage it the first time.

They came and arrested 1 guy. The pub got out, saw the cops arresting one of their lads, and harrassed the cops. The cops scrambled to get the one guy into the van and warned us it is no longer safe and that we had better follow them to the station or risk being assualted. Then they peeled out, leaving me and my wife in our car surrounded by a mob of 30 drunk yobs. We peeled it too before they noticed we were in on it!

Got to the station and spend 3 hours testifying. 3 witnessed me (professional architect), wife (teacher) and mother in-law.

Drunk denied it all night in the cell.Cops came by next day to "dust for prints" like friggin CSI. I told them it the bike was covered, and pushed it over with their for-arm and bum. No prints buddy.

Cops called next day. They said, they felt this would not hold up in court and a waste of their time. Drunk denied it and they had nothing else to go on, sorry.

GUESS WHAT....DRUNKS NOW KNOW WHERE I LIVE!!!!!!

COPS ALSO SAID THIS....."ALL OTHER ACTS OF VANDALISM ON THE OTHER CARS ARE NOT THEIR CONCERN UNTIL REPORTED BY THE OWNERS...MY TESTIMONY TO THE TOTAL DAMAGE THEY CAUSED WAS VOID AS I WAS NOT OWNER OF THE 30+ DAMAGED CARS ON THE STREET!!!!!!"

So....that's what doing the right things gets you! My bike was also coincidentally stolen from that location within a month!

I could never prove if they were connected but me and my family were now vulnerable...when my rental contract expired I moved immediately!!!!




OP next time let the damage occur....it will anyways as you can see. Follow, them, study them, spend time gather intel, stalk them to their home, hell have fun and make a spy game out of it. Think carefully about your next move...either to let it go, or act. But....don't ever connect yourself to their crime or allow it to escalate into something personal. One day you will be able to get your money and your justice back....but you must be patient and smart. Don't risk exposing motive, identity or location. And use the time to calm down and be as rational as you can. If the damage is $200, maybe you take it on the chin. Or maybe you get your money back, or maybe get justice back. You may be satisfied knowing you have them in the palm of your hand. You may be satisfied by the sheer entertainment of the cat and mouse game that was your hobby for a month, or you may find them "able to refund you your damages when they are in a giving mood one dark late night with a burdened wallet". Eye for an eye, out of sight of the 3rd eye.

 

[Venom01]

if you are going to beat the crap outta someone, don't come posting it on here, just in case he happens to report you to the popo and somehow this story gets leaked...aren't you breaking some rule of fight club anyways?

+100000000000000000
Don't incriminate yourself.

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[rafiki911]

Ok to use "reasonable violence" to detain someone! Yah sure Turbo.Have you forgotten about the poor guy that detained the thief in Chinatown a while back? That was good for a couple of years in court defending himself.I think Charles Bronson made a movie about this.

You got to remember the china town thing was after the fact when the thief came back. You are supposed to restrain the person if you find them committing the act.

Honestly why would you arrest someone for puking on your bike. If the OP had kept his cool and not lost it on these punks his bike would have never been knocked over.

 

[rafiki911]

Heres one that JUST happened. Lady in one of those Mercedes B-classes. Doing at least 80 on bloor street, rolled up behind me at a stop light. I was sure she was going to smash into me. Screeched her tires, stopped inches off my back wheel. She then proceeds to ride my rear tire for about 200 feet, peels into the right lane, almost smashes into stopped bus with its emergency triangles out, tries to force me out of my lane. Then she gets back in behind me, screeches her tires, pulls into the left turn lane, and runs a red light at bloor/dundas. I look behind me, and who do i see? Torontos finest. They were LAUGHING in their car, either at the attempted homicide, or the lady running a red light, i have no idea. But they followed ME instead. Why, because im on a bike? (my big intimidating 1980 125cc bike no less...)

Yep, to serve and protect. Except when you actually need them. You have a woman who made at least 3 traffic violations right infront of them, including 2 that could have been potentially life threatening, but they cant be bothered to stop her.

Its nice that the police come for you, but only ONCE have I ever had the police show up when i call 911, and that was when i saw a car get t-boned by a semi truck at highway 7 and rexdale blvd. Took 30 minutes. The ambulance and fire were there in 5. Hell, once i called 911 because my meth addict neighbor was smashing his girlfriends face off the driveway. Again, the cops never showed up. Like i said, i dont even bother anymore because its a waste of my time. Maybe if i saw something incredibly urgent like a guy waving a gun around, i would call. But for regular things? **** it. Whats the point?

You ever think that we don't have enough officers for the amount of calls they get... Especially the amount of bs calls they get....

 

[turbodish]

You got to remember the china town thing was after the fact when the thief came back. You are supposed to restrain the person if you find them committing the act.

People keep overlooking that. The storekeeper went after the thief HOURS later, not at the time of the criminal act when you are permitted to act.

Honestly why would you arrest someone for puking on your bike. If the OP had kept his cool and not lost it on these punks his bike would have never been knocked over.

For just throwing up on a bike, no, there's no point holding someone for the cops. However the OP's first post talked about them kicking his bike. Whether damage actually occurred or not was not clear, but if damage was incurred that is reason enough to hold them for the cops and for charges, and to seek restitution through the courts. Judging by his own words, he probably would have been able to, especially given that there were others around at the time.

i chase him on st. laurent blvd, and tackle him to the ground, get on top of him and i am feeding him with as many punches as i can and grabbing his shirt, lifting him up and using my force so he can lose his breath while he hits the ground. people break up the fight saying he is done (because this guy didn't do anything except try to choke me while i was on top of him)..

 

[rafiki911]

^you got to pick your battles as a citizen and look out for number one(you). First off it is very dangerous to apprehend someone on your own let alone two people. Just cause you can legally perform a citizens arrest, doesn't mean you should. If you feel something that minor warrents you wasting police time and peoples tax dollars then follow them from a distance while on the phone with 911. That is what I usually do when I'm not on duty and have no means of having any back up. Then again my calls are usually more serious in nature.

 

[bboySushi]

It's easy to say what was the best decision. OP got to beat the sh*t out of one of the perps and not get charged for it. I'd say thats a pretty good win. Yeah his bike got tipped over, but maybe those guys will think twice before coming back. Maybe, maybe not. It depends how stupid they are, and if they want more revenge for getting beat up. This is why old America is awesome; tote a shottie on a rocking chair hidden under your blanket

This really sucks, it seems like a never-ending circle of hate/vigilance is going to come from this. I've been close to dishing out my own justice, but it's just not worth it to me to have to always watch my back and property. What another poster said about having the upper hand is somewhat true though; In some situations I just collect evidence and let them know and they'll back off.

 

[turbodish]

OP got to beat the sh*t out of one of the perps and not get charged for it. I'd say thats a pretty good win. Yeah his bike got tipped over, but maybe those guys will think twice before coming back. Maybe, maybe not.

Not. Read again. The bike got tipped over AFTER he beat the **** out of one of the perps. Clearly the beating did nothing to keep the perps from coming back. I'd call that a loss, not a win.

 

[turbodish]

^you got to pick your battles as a citizen and look out for number one(you). First off it is very dangerous to apprehend someone on your own let alone two people. Just cause you can legally perform a citizens arrest, doesn't mean you should. If you feel something that minor warrents you wasting police time and peoples tax dollars then follow them from a distance while on the phone with 911. That is what I usually do when I'm not on duty and have no means of having any back up. Then again my calls are usually more serious in nature.

How is it any more dangerous for the OP to go after them to apprehend them than it is to go after them to lay a beat-down on them? The potential danger comes from the confrontation, period, and the OP did not seem adverse to confrontation.

 

[Petraeus]

This ep1x guy is heela stupid LOL, I don't think I read anything more stupid on the internet, there needs to be a meme created out of his stupidity. Instead of simply ask those guys to f- off, swallowing his pride and cleaning his bike he assaulted 2 guys, got hundreds of dollars of damage done to his bike and now potentially is going to have his bike raped on a daily basis.

Stupid is as stupid does. I would love to meet this joker irl just to tell him how stupid he is to his face.

 

[kickstartt]

good job on catching and dealing with the punk

but i dont think u should post everything in such detail on the net...

 

[rich6969]

i call BS OP......... you can post this Bs Thread so lets see the PICS.......

 

[rafiki911]

How is it any more dangerous for the OP to go after them to apprehend them than it is to go after them to lay a beat-down on them? The potential danger comes from the confrontation, period, and the OP did not seem adverse to confrontation.

The beat down was a dangerous decision as well and is lucky he didn't get his *** kicked by two people. Clearly he wasn't thinking, he was too angry to think properly. This sinario could have ended very different and you know that. Just cause you think you can take someone on or a group of people on doesn't mean you can. You don't know what their background is.

 

[turbodish]

The beat down was a dangerous decision as well and is lucky he didn't get his *** kicked by two people. Clearly he wasn't thinking, he was too angry to think properly. This sinario could have ended very different and you know that. Just cause you think you can take someone on or a group of people on doesn't mean you can. You don't know what their background is.

Well, the question is not whether it is always advisable to tackle and hold someone for the cop if you see them causing damage, but whether you legally can. Legally you can use necessary force to hold someone for police, though that does not give you a free hand to impose a beat-down if the perp is being compliant while you wait for police to arrive.

Whether you should intervene is another question. Is there is anything to be gained in intervening immediately as opposed to calling for police and waiting for them to respond? Sometimes there is, such as in preventing further damage to persons or property, or in preventing flight of the perps. If so, then you also need to carefully assess whether your own capabilities and back-up resources are sufficient to overcome any potential resistance that you might encounter.

If there is any question, prudence would clearly suggest you avoid any direct confrontation, or at least be ready to beat a quick retreat if you do step forward. But to make avoidance the automatic default response sends the wrong message to the perps.

 

[JFD]

i call BS OP......... you can post this Bs Thread so lets see the PICS.......

Careful. You may get a beat down.

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