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Disrepectful Trackday Riders- Don't Bother Coming Anymore!

ZX600 said:
What history is that? and what does my history have to do with the conversation?

I didn't realize that there were such pro's in here. We club race for fun, each one of us make a huge investment in time and money to do something we enjoy, that is why i do it and not to come in here and put others down with statements with no substance.

Yea I have crashed in 4 races - I have also not crashed in many more and have done full endurance races without crashing once and never crashed on a track day, I am not trying to win a national neither go to any more advance level, this is for fun period and it will continue to be for fun, so talking about "my record" in order to put down my point to me seems pretty low but hey.. this is gtam.

Edit: I said TMP I did not say fabi! Did I?
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You have nothing to answer for Paulo. You ride well and finish strong if you dont fall once in a while your not trying hard enough.
 
ZX600 said:
The 1:20 time is not relevant, what your or others actual times are is also irrelevant.

Maybe I am not properly explaining my point here.

Regardless of how fast anyone is, or what the track record is, anyone doing 3 seconds less than another rider at a track day at TMP can not call that rider slow.

If your lap is 1:23 and you are calling a 1:26 guy slow you are a ****** bag.
If you are at 120 and you are calling the 1:23 guy slow you are also a ****** bag... etc etc.
If you are doing 1:12 (which is the fastest I have heard someone has lapped there but i am not sure) and you are calling the guy doing 1:15 slow then you are also a ****** bag

I understand that shaving .5 of a second on any track at certain level is a monumental task but that was not the point of my comment.
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I'm poking fun at your post because your post is silly. If a 1:17 rider can't really call a 1:20 rider slow, can a 1:13 rider call a 1:20 rider slow? Why set an arbitrary 3 second differential? Silly.

A 3 second lap differential sub 1:20s at TMP is an enormous difference.

If someone were to ask me how fast I am the answer changes depending on who's asking. In the grand scheme of things I'm pretty quick, at a trackday I'm fast, in SOAR Expert Superbike I do ok, in RACE Pro Superbike I'm a bit less than ok, In CSBK Pro Superbike I'd be slow.

Anyone should be able to call anyone else fast or slow without that anyone else getting all butt hurt.
 
Slowerer is fasterer, I always say.
 
I think I've done 1:24 at TMP on a bike that goes backwards on straightaways. "Fast" versus "slow" has to be taken in context.
 
kneedragger88 said:
You have nothing to answer for Paulo. You ride well and finish strong if you dont fall once in a while your not trying hard enough.
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How much did he pay you to post that ? :lmao:


Say something good about me Ken, i'll buy you a double double !
 
gsxr guy said:
I might be on a 72 kawi h2 fast by gast 154hp at ctmp vintage race next year. I'm already nervous lol
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That will be a bit of a chore to use a drag motor on a road course! Don't hit 7k coming out of the corners until you get her straightened up eh! ;)
 
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I never said that. (Edit - figured it out and edited the above post to fix the quote tags, because I could)
 
Jayv said:
How much did he pay you to post that ? :lmao:


Say something good about me Ken, i'll buy you a double double !
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lol - good friend you are :)

Anyways, I am too old to be in these kinds of arguments. I'm out
 
kneedragger88 said:
You have nothing to answer for Paulo. You ride well and finish strong if you dont fall once in a while your not trying hard enough.
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Be like ZX600, post a negative jab. One of his earlier posts here even.
ZX600 said:
This thread just turned into a bromance.

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caboose56 said:
I'm poking fun at your post because your post is silly. If a 1:17 rider can't really call a 1:20 rider slow, can a 1:13 rider call a 1:20 rider slow? Why set an arbitrary 3 second differential? Silly.

A 3 second lap differential sub 1:20s at TMP is an enormous difference.

If someone were to ask me how fast I am the answer changes depending on who's asking. In the grand scheme of things I'm pretty quick, at a trackday I'm fast, in SOAR Expert Superbike I do ok, in RACE Pro Superbike I'm a bit less than ok, In CSBK Pro Superbike I'd be slow.

Anyone should be able to call anyone else fast or slow without that anyone else getting all butt hurt.
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This. This. This.

Starting from a lap time reference point that only a small portion of the track rider population can do, then subtracting 3 seconds, as mentioned is an enormous difference. And it goes both ways. I certainly think 1:14's at TMP is a heck of a lot faster than me if I were to do a 1:17. Same thing with the Fabi times given. And strangely, I don't feel like I'm putting myself down by calling those riders a heck of a lot faster. Shocking behaviour it seems.

Brian P said:
I think I've done 1:24 at TMP on a bike that goes backwards on straightaways. "Fast" versus "slow" has to be taken in context.
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True, though context was given and I don't see how that is relevant to the points made in this discussion, which was...... at this time, a 3 second differential from a 1:17 to a 1:20 motorcycle lap time at TMP is a very large difference.

ZX600 said:
What history is that? and what does my history have to do with the conversation?

I didn't realize that there were such pro's in here. We club race for fun, each one of us make a huge investment in time and money to do something we enjoy, that is why i do it and not to come in here and put others down with statements with no substance.

Yea I have crashed in 4 races - I have also not crashed in many more and have done full endurance races without crashing once and never crashed on a track day, I am not trying to win a national neither go to any more advance level, this is for fun period and it will continue to be for fun, so talking about "my record" in order to put down my point to me seems pretty low but hey.. this is gtam.

Edit: I said TMP I did not say fabi! Did I?
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Dude, reading your history here frankly shows a lot of negative comments. And from history comes an understanding of the context of a person's comments.

There are pro's everywhere, and it is egocentric to not think that a few are around this forum. They have earned my respect and I keep that in mind when I post. And there it happens again saying "we" here (club race for fun). You assume that everyone is like you and again, it's a very egocentric perspective that can lead to skewed answers. Fact is people are different as well as related considerations. There are a lot of racers who race for more reasons than just for fun as you do.

It's ridiculous to say one shouldn't discuss the overall picture of a track's lap times with comparative adverbs because it makes slower riders feel bad or that it is putting them down. As said, people shouldn't get butt hurt about calling the lap times fast or slow, especially when done in the grand scheme of a track's lap times.

As for racing history, actually, read my post again. I didn't refer to your racing history. ;) But, fwiw, if you are going to talk smack about track riding and racing, you better believe it that people will measure the value of your input in combination with your experience, results, and success. It's the way of the world. There is a reason "armchair quarterback" has entered the lexicon.

As for TMP vs Fabi? Why does that matter? Because saying a 3 second differential is fast at those relative lap times should make no difference between the two tracks. Similar pace/speed fabi lap times are only around 6% faster than TMP. So with that in mind, a three second lap time difference at fabi is only about a 3.18 second difference at TMP. Those two tracks compare well in lap time differentials and thus also with comparative adverbs.
 
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ZX600 said:
The 1:20 time is not relevant, what your or others actual times are is also irrelevant.

Maybe I am not properly explaining my point here.

Regardless of how fast anyone is, or what the track record is, anyone doing 3 seconds less than another rider at a track day at TMP can not call that rider slow.

If your lap is 1:23 and you are calling a 1:26 guy slow you are a ****** bag.
If you are at 120 and you are calling the 1:23 guy slow you are also a ****** bag... etc etc.
If you are doing 1:12 (which is the fastest I have heard someone has lapped there but i am not sure) and you are calling the guy doing 1:15 slow then you are also a ****** bag

I understand that shaving .5 of a second on any track at certain level is a monumental task but that was not the point of my comment.
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I agree. 3 seconds isn't much when the range of lap times at any given TD there is 1:16-7 and 1:40
 
Even as a lowly race fan I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the obvious. Slinky effect. I've never stood at a 100mph backstretch to see a rider pass 3 seconds after another rider and slur "Wow that's close".
 
As a newbie trying to get into track riding scene this is very disappointing. . More restrictions wont help... greater enforcement of current policies.. first offence can be a mistake by a newb.. I found ppl to be more than willing to helpout and teach a newb... 1 year ban on 2nd offence...3rd offence lifetime ban... that'd be appropriate in my view... its our life on the line..
 
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