Darwin at work yet again!

I know I wouldn't have gone in to fast moving water wearing something that makes it pretty much impossible to swim and increases the drag on my body... I'd say she was stupid.

This is why you don't bubble wrap your kids. I remember one time trying to get across a fast moving small river that was barely knee high. Swept my feet out and I had a hell of a time getting back up and out... Hence I would never try something so stupid as this.
 
aircav said:
A couple of things don't ring true with this story. One, a wet dress while heavy on land wouldn't be heavy in the water. It's water in water. As part of my water rescue training we had to wear heavy clothes in the water and it didn't affect our buoyancy. It made it harder to swim and climbing the ladder out of the pool was interesting but in the water, no one sank to the bottom. Second, why didn't anyone jump in and help her out?
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Did you practice this in a fast flowing river? If not then your practice is not relevant here. Fast flowing water will pull you under and wet clothing will sink when you throw it in water. Not to meantion there were likely tonnes of rocks that she was probably smashing off of.

The photographer tried to save her but failed. Poor guy, what a thing to watch, she goes from smiling for a photo shoot to the most terrifying moment of her life and he is there to witness the whole thing.

Tough break
 
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I'm beginning to see the problem now.
 
Gixxer6 said:
The photographer tried to save her but failed. Poor guy, what a thing to watch, she goes from smiling for a photo shoot to the most terrifying moment of her life and he is there to witness the whole thing.
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Now that, I feel bad about, having to deal with that picture, that moment in your head must be pretty screwed up and I don't wish it to anyone.

Worst part is that this is not over, fam is probably going to try to go after him saying he picked the spot or something around those lines.. He tried, but even 2 people would not be able to pull her out of something that acts as a parachute in water...
 
Yamaha_Gurl said:
So...none of you guys take risks in life? And what she did was stupid? Really? Very sad, my heart goes out to her family and fiance :(
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Yep, it was stupid. How many people drown each year during the summer season? Water isn't something to be messed around with, especially not a rapidly moving river and especially NOT in a wedding dress.

Not everyone's stupid decision will kill them. But tragically in this situation, it did. Of course it's sad, but the family trying to pin some kind of blame elsewhere is misguided.
 
rmemedic said:
I'd say she was stupid. I would never try something so stupid as this
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Gixxer6 said:
Poor guy, what a thing to watch, she goes from smiling for a photo shoot to the most terrifying moment of her life and he is there to witness the whole thing.

Tough break
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I don't think what she did was any more wreckless then squiding on a bike, stunting on the highway, and any such similar risks.

It amazes me that you guys are sympathetic to the "poor photographer" who had to witness her death, but the bride is stupid.

Maybe he was the one who suggested the photo shoot location, the pose, and her positioning and she gave deference to his professional advice - that is typically how photo shoots go when there's a professional photographer involved. Maybe he even assured her that he's done tons of these types of shoots in the exact same location and showed her his portfolio pictures of other brides posing there.
 
AngelEyez said:
I don't think what she did was any more wreckless then squiding on a bike, stunting on the highway, and any such similar risks.

It amazes me that you guys are sympathetic to the "poor photographer" who had to witness her death, but the bride is stupid.

Maybe he was the one who suggested the photo shoot location, the pose, and her positioning and she gave deference to his professional advice - that is typically how photo shoots go when there's a professional photographer involved. Maybe he even assured her that he's done tons of these types of shoots in the exact same location and showed her his portfolio pictures of other brides posing there.
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I don't squid on my bike, and I don't stunt on the highway. Sure, I race motocross but that's a calculated risk and I take all the safety precautions I can. And if I die from it, nobody is to blame but me for taking on such a hobby... Same as this, nobody forced her it was her decision and people are trying to lay the blame anywhere but on her shoulders.
If some photographer tried to get me to pose for a picture and it puts me in that much danger, there is no way I would.
 
The contradictions in the family's statements are a bit boggling:

"One thing we are certain about is that our Maria would have never put her life at risk [...]" and "She had her wedding dress on and she said, ‘take some pictures of me while I swim a little bit in the lake,’ she went in and her dress got heavy [...]"

Sure, she clearly didn't take into account the possible inherent risk of swimming in a wedding dress, how heavy it gets, etc. It was a tragedy, but one thing this is not, is the fault of anyone but the bride herself.
 
The photographer was equally as foolish for agreeing to do the photoshoot. But I can still feel for the guy, seeing as he'll now probably have this tragedy on his conscience for the rest of his life.

A photographer can give all the assurances in the world, but it doesn't absolve someone from basic common sense for their personal safety.
 
AngelEyez said:
I don't think what she did was any more wreckless then squiding on a bike, stunting on the highway, and any such similar risks.

It amazes me that you guys are sympathetic to the "poor photographer" who had to witness her death, but the bride is stupid.

Maybe he was the one who suggested the photo shoot location, the pose, and her positioning and she gave deference to his professional advice - that is typically how photo shoots go when there's a professional photographer involved. Maybe he even assured her that he's done tons of these types of shoots in the exact same location and showed her his portfolio pictures of other brides posing there.
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She is the more qualified of the 2 "professionals" that day to give advice / consider the "real estate" she was standing in!
 
Sabex said:
SCORE for the husband.
Just married a real estate agent (most likely has some decent money) who just bought a house. Then got herself killed in some water.
So now he gets the money, the house, and insurance will most likely pay for the funeral! And he doesn't even have to put up with her female-dogging.
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Coooooooold!
 
short stop said:
The photographer was equally as foolish for agreeing to do the photoshoot.

A photographer can give all the assurances in the world, but it doesn't absolve someone from basic common sense for their personal safety.
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I agree with the first sentance. I would think that her assessment of the risk involved would have been affected by his professional opinion given his expertise, had he provided false assurances that it was safe. She's not the professional in the situation and hasn't done this type of shoot before - the same cannot be said for him.

If he is indeed a professional, I personally think he should have some obligation to ensure that there are proper precautions taken and/or adequate warnings provided about the risks, where he is knowingly doing a shoot at a location that poses a risk of bodily harm or death to anyone at the location. Not just the model or client, but also his camera crew or any other people assisting with the shoot.
 
AngelEyez said:
I don't think what she did was any more wreckless then squiding on a bike, stunting on the highway, and any such similar risks.

It amazes me that you guys are sympathetic to the "poor photographer" who had to witness her death, but the bride is stupid.

Maybe he was the one who suggested the photo shoot location, the pose, and her positioning and she gave deference to his professional advice - that is typically how photo shoots go when there's a professional photographer involved. Maybe he even assured her that he's done tons of these types of shoots in the exact same location and showed her his portfolio pictures of other brides posing there.
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If a photographer told me to climb out on a bridge with lead weights strapped to my boots, I would not be stupid enough to do it.

He was stupid to suggest it, but it was her life at risk and she was stupid to have agreed.

I think the big point being made on this thread is about personal responsibility. And her families lack of laying the bride's personal responsibility on her.
 
awyala said:
She is the more qualified of the 2 "professionals" that day to give advice / consider the "real estate" she was standing in!
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I don't think her qualified ability to assess the potential value of the property would have helped her in that situation :P
 
AngelEyez said:
I don't think her qualified ability to assess the potential value of the property would have helped her in that situation :P
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That would then place the photographer with even less responsibility as his profession has even less to do with land, property or personal safety. He carries no responsibility for the accident despite how the media tries to skew it. If she is absolved despite her direction of the shoot and higher level of knowledge with respect to environmental conditions, then how can the photog be construed as at fault in any way.

Totally her fault, she took an ignorant risk. And yes it is very much like squiding or stunting or any risk. Risks by their nature enhance appreciation for life and safety and security by juxtaposing it. No risk taker actively seeks death, but they seek the fear / appreciation that comes with potentially extinguishing the life the so cherish. "Loving life" is a lame accolade at a funeral or in an obituary and hardly a sign of a life well lived or an intelligent or moral person. That's like saying "she breathed all the time, it's unfathamable that she would drown, she just was always breathing, must have been someone else's fault".
 
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