bigpoppa
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they're pretty irrelevant on the job, or in the day to day etc, just a dumb dick measuring contest
But because FAANG use them, every company out here trying to copycat
(monkey see monkey do)
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But because FAANG use them, every company out here trying to copycat
(monkey see monkey do)
They're totally irrelevant. I do believe they filter the trash out though.
I hate to admit it: when I was interviewing, I did not want to work for the jobs that did not copy FAANG interviews, too many red flags....like putting a manager with zero dev skills to manage a dev team.
Mad Mike
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Top schools have fierce entry competition for both students and faculty. Stands to reason the output is a cut above.
UW is "that school" for engineers.
Mad Mike
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The best dev managers I ever worked with never became expert developers, ygey opened off early because they had leadership send management skills.
The best developers I worked with rarely had negative interactions with their managers.
That's okay.
We can have different experiences and still have a positive outcome. But I suggest you reread my post: I said zero development experience. The best manager I had was a **** dev and literally told me was; zero ego, allocated people based on strengths, and set them up for success. I learned a **** ton from him about management. My current manager is an extremely talented dev but admits he's a bad manager, so we all help him a bit.
My experience with really good developers contradicts yours btw: we got our manager fired. The current company I work for had a restructuring....after the devs and got the main CTO/whatever/manager fired. Clearly not an uncommon scenario.
Both scenarios had the same problem: ego outweighing skill and no self awareness. Pushed for **** architecture that resulted in cost increases. CEOs/non-technical folk don't know any better because it's, understandably, not their dance.
EDIT: Btw, iirc, your development experience is vastly different from mine. You were working on low level stuff no? Devs are designing/architecting massive systems now (juniors jump on this too.) Might explain why your experience is vastly different; might be deprecated.
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The robots will probably be here will before I retire . I have zero fear of robots . I’m a salesman , somebody will have to sell the robots . Sales is and always will be an experience and to adegree relationship based .
I’ve seen Cherry2000 , but those robot relationships are rare.
My side giggles . Nobody is going to produce a robot or wright code for a one off . Need the rudder rebuilt on your Humbolt 30? Total global production for that boat was 9 units . It’s all hand work and no scale to leverage with a robot.
Line welder at manufacturing plant ? Yeah your screwed.
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I’ve seen Cherry2000 , but those robot relationships are rare.
My side giggles . Nobody is going to produce a robot or wright code for a one off . Need the rudder rebuilt on your Humbolt 30? Total global production for that boat was 9 units . It’s all hand work and no scale to leverage with a robot.
Line welder at manufacturing plant ? Yeah your screwed.
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Interesting. This actually explains why you, @Mad Mike, and myself have had heated exchanges.
Many devs have strained relationships with sales because sales exaggerates (or the bad ones give bold faced lies) to complete the sales. Devs are then left with a mountain of burning **** that no one estimated work for; what took the sales person 5 seconds to pull out of their ass may be 3 months of work with a 2 week deadline. Upper management has to deal with the fallout after.
The edge cases you mentioned have a chance of being automated btw. It will likely happen after us devs accidently kill our own field by making programs make programs lol. I don't know if we'll see this in our lifetime but I'm using a beta version of Microsoft's "autocomplete" where I simply type a descriptive method name, the parameters, and the computer pulls implementation details from a huge network.....so it's coming!
EDIT: And before someone comes in here and thinks we're off topic: COVID accelerated all of this immensely. It's also why we have a silicon shortage.
Mad Mike
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I started as a Dev on low-level stuff yes, video display & keyboard drivers for CP/M-Z80, VDT vector graphics processing on Mot-68000. After that, I managed development. Led development on a few interesting projects the PC Fax business, telco grade NDIS & TAPI upgrades for the big M, then matrix managed multiple teams doing OSS integrations for Telcos. Gave that up 20 years ago.
Mad Mike
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I don't worry about robots or AI eating the world.
While they pose specific threats to people not interested in evolving, all they really do is increase productivity. If you think there is some point in your lifetime where the world is satisfied with everything we have created and there is no more stuff to invent, improve or develop -- then start worrying now. Otherwise, embrace change, embrace science, and hang on for the ride!
I think things have changed immensely. Even for me, 90% of the technical stuff I learned/did in college is useless now because we have libraries, mercilessly peer-reviewed, that solve the problems I learned back then. No way in hell am I going to out do an open source library from M$, Google, or other big companies.
Dev work now is, as stated by @xfactor, a ton of soft skills and reading in-between the requirements requested by non-technical folks. For example, most of my big problems aren't related to programming; they're related to unrealistic deadlines due to ignorance or stakeholders prioritizing the wrong **** (typos and branding are never more important than app stability or performance...unless they want their branding to get set on fire when the app becomes 1* on Google Play lol), and shielding the juniors from that crap (they're smart, they will absorb it, and it will impact output negatively.)
I'm not worried about myself or others who see it coming...
I don't know if our current economic systems can handle it though; more and more "follow instructions and do this) jobs are being automated and being replaced by critical thinking jobs; not everyone is capable of this. It will be an interesting show as we phase out more and more humans for robots.
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I don’t actually recall a heated exchange to be honest . That would be where I tell you to stop talking out of your arse and call you a nitwit . Not even close to that yet .
I do like the distain for sales , I built a xx and it does yy. What do we do with it ? Well we could sell it . Guess we may want a sales dept……
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I do like the distain for sales , I built a xx and it does yy. What do we do with it ? Well we could sell it . Guess we may want a sales dept……
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Mad Mike
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I know things changed. That's why I got out. Software development is good money but over time becomes ******** and ******** as a career. If I were to advise anyone entering the field -- chart a path to a big $$$ specialization, set a 20-year horizon, and work like hell. Have your first heart attack and then exit.
Next, start learning about plywood or tee shirts, surprise yourself by finding out you can make the same money AND enjoy life.
I can't disagree w/ this. Some days I have multiple projects on fire and every dev is making jokes about giving each other ropes to kill ourselves =) lol
As long as they're just jokes. We've all felt that way. If it starts to become too real, time to quit and start breeding golden doodles. Slower path through life. Less rope required.
If you want a change of environment the wife’s hospital is hiring software/IT people like crazy. Probably a pay cut but there’s a pension!
That's the end game! Some place in butt **** nowhere with internet, then I can just breed cute doggos that make others happy and get murdered by puppy bites all day.
I appreciate the concern. Another lead dev and I spent 8 months getting high af. For me it was after work. He would do bong rips all day. We both ended up with severe mental breakdowns in November. After some research, I suggested to him THC is flatlining our endocrine system and making us unable to deal with stress. I was doing 100mg of THC every 2-3 days. He was averaging a bong rip every 1.5 hours.
We both only get high Friday evenings now, after a few weeks of getting off.
Putting this out there because weed is very popular, and everyone thinks there are no side effects: there are 100% side effects. Don't abuse it like us.
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Super common with small businesses and you don't learn crap big garbled mess of codee. Try to bring up model view controller design pattern, migrate away from SVN to Git etc. Boss looks at you stupid
Interesting you brought up THC, a lot of my developer friends use Vapes, 1 pod every 2 days
A lot of devs smoke up and are unaware of the endocrine screw up. 1 pod every 2 days is about as bad as my 100mg =/
And who the **** uses SVN anymore? That's disgusting. Hope they get fired. I went to war at my old company because idiots wanted in house servers (as opposed to AWS, Azure, etc.), didn't believe that .NET Core would take off, and used blobs in SQL database instead of setting up a blob server. I got the last laugh though: blasted them on glassdoor which led to devs messaging me on LinkedIn about whether or not the company was worth working for >=)
On the flip side, all of the above can easily happen to me, so it's a very sharp double edged sword. We have to always remember we're slightly retreaded and forever will be, so keep learning!
Calling @george__
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