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Does this surprise anyone . Even with a legit certificate . Who knows what standards they use in labs in the some countries .
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So where did the assumptions come from? People against shutdowns?
Suicide deaths in Alberta in 2020 fewer than what was recorded last year
While the COVID-19 pandemic, along with many of the other issues facing Albertans this year, has taken a serious toll on the mental health of many people, the province's suicide rate is lower than in previous years, CTV News has learned.
calgary.ctvnews.ca
So where did the assumptions come from? People against shutdowns?
Suicide deaths in Alberta in 2020 fewer than what was recorded last year
While the COVID-19 pandemic, along with many of the other issues facing Albertans this year, has taken a serious toll on the mental health of many people, the province's suicide rate is lower than in previous years, CTV News has learned.calgary.ctvnews.ca
The "lockdowns are causing more deaths than the disease" hype is nonsense. For developed countries (read: those for which decently accurate data is available) that are in the unfortunate position of having had enough covid19 deaths for those numbers to not be buried in statistical noise (e.g. USA, UK), the excess deaths from February until end of 2020 is pretty close to the number of officially-logged covid19 deaths in the same time period, and we know that in almost every case, the actual number of covid19 deaths is underreported. You can check with the CDC for the US excess-deaths (note that for the US situation, it's best to exclude roughly the last 8 or so weeks of data, it seems that they are slow to log deaths in their system), and the Office for National Statistics for the UK excess-deaths.
I recall reading somewhere (unfortunately I've forgotten where I saw it) that New Zealand has had a negative number of excess deaths, and it's plausible in their situation. They've only had 25 officially recorded covid19 deaths total in the whole pandemic, and the periods of lockdown probably reduced the number of accidental deaths due to road traffic, work-related, etc.
Links: State and National Provisional Counts (Compare 12-months ending Sept 2020 to 12-months ending Sept 2019 and bear in mind that the pandemic was nowhere near over in Sept 2020 - and also bear in mind a small percentage of normal annual increase due to population increase)
A while back, I'm thinking September-ish, there was a thing going around saying "Look, the USA has only had 2.8 million deaths in the last 12 months, it's no higher than 2019 was" or something of that sort. Well, yeah ... it's because it takes the CDC several weeks to officially log all deaths into their numbers. Well, that number is now in ... almost 3.2 million, just like the people who were looking at the numbers properly were saying it was going to be. By the time the December 2020 numbers are in, it's going to be even more than that.
Has anyone here done a 14 day hotel quarantine?
I'm picturing a typical Holiday Inn room. Through door, 4 piece bath on left, coat rack on right. A bed or two with night tables, a TV, dresser, writing desk and maybe a small round table and a chair or two. It doesn't sound like fun.
Returning from vacation with dirty clothes and just about out of toiletries.
I assume room service if the place has a dining room but delivered fast food if not. Left at door with a knock.
Sheets and towels left at door?
Prescriptions have to be considered.
What kind of online course could one take on their laptop in two weeks?
I'm picturing a typical Holiday Inn room. Through door, 4 piece bath on left, coat rack on right. A bed or two with night tables, a TV, dresser, writing desk and maybe a small round table and a chair or two. It doesn't sound like fun.
Returning from vacation with dirty clothes and just about out of toiletries.
I assume room service if the place has a dining room but delivered fast food if not. Left at door with a knock.
Sheets and towels left at door?
Prescriptions have to be considered.
What kind of online course could one take on their laptop in two weeks?
@MacDoc just did one. He didnt seem too bothered by it. I know some people that got their bikes/trainers into quarantine so they had a 14 day fitness bootcamp in the hotel.
@nobbie48 My buddy just finished his in NZ a few weeks ago and said it was boring, but they took care of them well. You basically chose your menu, and if you wanted booze you pay more for someone to deliver it to you.
You had 1hr / day where you could walk around on a patio at a pre-booked time. It was about 5x8 metres or so. Then they opened up a parking garage level where you could walk / do laps / whatever. Overall it sucked being stuck in the hotel for 2 weeks. But it wasn't too bad.
This was the view from his room:
You had 1hr / day where you could walk around on a patio at a pre-booked time. It was about 5x8 metres or so. Then they opened up a parking garage level where you could walk / do laps / whatever. Overall it sucked being stuck in the hotel for 2 weeks. But it wasn't too bad.
This was the view from his room:
Forcing a hotel stay on entry is no doubt a charter problem. That is one of the reasons it has been danced around for so long. Of course many of the people that cry "Why doesn't the government do XYZ, it is so simple!" Are the same people crying the government did XYZ TO ME and it violates my charter rights.
Voluntary three day hotel stay at your cost while waiting for the test results or a giant fine (say service charge) if you don't....?
Short of a true federal state of emergency (war measures act) of course.
Voluntary three day hotel stay at your cost while waiting for the test results or a giant fine (say service charge) if you don't....?
Short of a true federal state of emergency (war measures act) of course.
Huh? Just don’t go anywhere, then there is no consideration required for anything. If you chose to still travel then make preparations in advance.
Sounds super simple doesn’t it? Somehow it’s difficult to comprehend.
You don’t want to quarantine....stay the f home.
Or stay there. Two solid options to avoid government oppression.
Good news - wife's surgery has been rescheduled to next week because the capacity in the hospital has opened up.
Bad news - cousin and aunt in Poland both got COVID. He had pre-existing conditions so 2 weeks in hospital, she's older and got the UK variant so basically rushed to the hospital while unconscious. Both are doing better but the whole family is ******** themselves because 'it's all ********' so they've been eating, drinking, and partying together for the last few months. We're hoping no one else got it but it sounds like everyone is fine, shockingly.
Bad news - cousin and aunt in Poland both got COVID. He had pre-existing conditions so 2 weeks in hospital, she's older and got the UK variant so basically rushed to the hospital while unconscious. Both are doing better but the whole family is ******** themselves because 'it's all ********' so they've been eating, drinking, and partying together for the last few months. We're hoping no one else got it but it sounds like everyone is fine, shockingly.
I wan't planning any trip but wondered if those that are have considered the consequences. Upon reflection, the cruise ship examples had people kissing the ground when they got off.
If I could take a trip it would be to visit an uncle in Manitoba. Three or four day winter drive for my protection, fourteen day quarantine for his protection, a couple day visit, another fourteen day quarantine to protect another bubble, another short visit, three or four day winter drive home and another quarantine or at least isolation to protect the Mrs.
Seven weeks for a one week family visit in a freezer is not going to happen. It won't happen in 2021 and unlikely for 2022 unless Ford and Trudeau get their acts together.
Wasn’t really directed at you ?
Friend of friend thing where a guy did some service work at a hospital, went home, showered, changed clothes and then visited his mid 70's grandfather. RIP grandfather.
Showering makes you feel clean and smell nice but unless you have a way of bleaching your lungs it doesn't do squat with Covid.
It's good to dry run the protocols. I may be offered a one week R&D contract out of town but it would be at a 1000 person plant. I don't trust washrooms, lunch rooms and board rooms. In reality it doesn't matter if it's in or out of town I'd isolate on the job and then another quarantine. I'm not interested in bumping off the cook and cleaner for a few grand.
Add quarantine time and costs and the compensation isn't worth the effort or risk.
They will not. I'm sorry to say.
I wonder if some of the unofficial private medical clinics have started securing their own supplies for their "members". That would be the type of service that they like to provide as their members are obviously people that aren't interested in waiting around for the gov't. I haven't seen any restrictions on privately acquiring vaccines, just people getting in trouble for taking the public stock and treating it as a private supply. Even if you charged per shot, lots of people would line up. I suspect you'd have a long line at $1000 and it would get exponentially longer if the price was lower.
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Followup on symptoms. Wife is feeling much better. Still not 100% but not terrible. For her it was ~72 hours of suck after the 2nd shot.
A few things that I’ve seen lately.
1. They just had a coup in Myanmar and there are huge protests but every single protester has a mask on. I tried to see if there were any without but I couldn’t find one. That shows the difference between different cultures I think.
2. Students here were just told their homecoming will be virtual in 2021. They think this is a mass conspiracy by the locals to stop them having fun. They haven’t stopped to consider that vaccination schedules are running late and students are well down the list anyway.
3. Our community is one of three I think in Ontario that is in the green zone as of today. One of the other communities is enacting some obscure legal procedure to try to stop visitors from coming. They have received threats along the lines of “as tourists we will remember this when lockdowns are over”. Our own town is worried. My wife's hairdresser has already received calls from people in Toronto (over 2.5 h away) looking for bookings (which he has denied!). Sad state of affairs.
1. They just had a coup in Myanmar and there are huge protests but every single protester has a mask on. I tried to see if there were any without but I couldn’t find one. That shows the difference between different cultures I think.
2. Students here were just told their homecoming will be virtual in 2021. They think this is a mass conspiracy by the locals to stop them having fun. They haven’t stopped to consider that vaccination schedules are running late and students are well down the list anyway.
3. Our community is one of three I think in Ontario that is in the green zone as of today. One of the other communities is enacting some obscure legal procedure to try to stop visitors from coming. They have received threats along the lines of “as tourists we will remember this when lockdowns are over”. Our own town is worried. My wife's hairdresser has already received calls from people in Toronto (over 2.5 h away) looking for bookings (which he has denied!). Sad state of affairs.
You live out towards Prince Edward County right?
Stay away! Prince Edward County health unit says tourists aren’t welcome at local vineyards
Belleville area bans bookings from tourists amid warnings Ontario is poised to repeat the mistakes of the past by easing COVID-19 restrictions on a region-by-region basis with the province more vulnerable from highly contagious new strains.
www.thestar.com
I read that a few days ago.
This is what was happening, and will happen, next week. HALTON is opening up, PEEL isn't. Winston Churchill is the line that is the divider b/w the two. Last time we had this issue, restaurants were open west of WC, but everything was shut down east of WC. Guess where everyone went? Guess what happened next? Yup....back to lockdown.
The section 22 order is weird. Basically, you can open but can only offer limited service to people from other zones (unless they are essential like two thirds of the population). Again, politicians pushing problems onto people entirely ill-equipped to deal with them. Is a hair dresser supposed to be checking your license? What if you have been quarantining at your cottage for a year and you have a Toronto license?
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