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This is happening in Poland also. Government did a blanket shut down with minimal (if any) support for people in the lower ranks.
People started opening up on their own because you can’t live and no response form the govt in any heavy handed way. You can’t expect people to just sit at home while their bills keep piling. It’s not sustainable, and it’s not going to work.

I full agree with people reopening simply because it appears that this lockdown has given the thumbs up to bigger corps that can game the rules. Either shut it all down and support people, or don’t be surprised when your fake lockdowns aren’t effective.

Stores can definitely keep safe if they follow protocols, gyms...not so sure how far they can go.

As I’ve stated before it’s the areas where people are forced to work under ****** conditions and in close proximity to one another that are an issue. Amazon, Canada Post, meat factories, lower income jobs and areas.

‘Essential construction’ is also a joke. My friends are so busy with these essential renovations they can’t keep up. And all of them say the same thing....no one wears a mask, no one cares, MOL shows up all the masks come on as they get tipped off either by the boss, or the white hat walking towards the building.

And before someone asks for evidence, i don't have it. This is what I think.
Half the reason I wear a white brain bucket is to watch the rats scatter. :D
 
Half the reason I wear a white brain bucket is to watch the rats scatter. :D
My white hats are dirty, stickers and scratched so I get a pass from some guys. We always joked that I roll in the mud before arriving at work.
 
My white hats are dirty, stickers and scratched so I get a pass from some guys. We always joked that I roll in the mud before arriving at work.
With clean hard hat and clean boots, a lot of people think you are an office wanker. If I get new boots, I scrape them around on the asphalt and rub some mud into them before they ever get near a jobsite.
 
Greater Vancouver has similar per capita case count compared to the GTA. Everything's open here though. I can ski at cypress and have beer and burger in town latter. Ones thing is clear by comparison. Everyone wears a mask. Ski lines? Everyone's wearing a mask properly. occasionally people get called out on it and they comply. No whining or bitching. Costco, home depot, grocery stores everyone's wearing a mask properly. Come to think of it the only person I saw without a mask was a douche bro at princess auto. I looked in to these numbers a few weeks ago when I was having an argument with someone. I might be off now, but still, everything's open here. Wtf GTA is doing so wrong, or maybe closing closing stores and recreation does not make a difference? Dunno.

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Hospital situation? This is the only thing that matters
 
With clean hard hat and clean boots, a lot of people think you are an office wanker. If I get new boots, I scrape them around on the asphalt and rub some mud into them before they ever get near a jobsite.
The safety guys always get the best PPE and gear, and I’ve yet to see a scuff on it.
 
They won’t end the lockdown until people stop getting sick and going to the hospitals. That is the sticking point, business is not a factor nor should it be. As sad as it is to say that.

 
They won’t end the lockdown until people stop getting sick and going to the hospitals. That is the sticking point, business is not a factor nor should it be. As sad as it is to say that.

Agree. But you also cannot keep people from working while not providing them financial support.

Majority of people aren’t able to put away, or won’t, 6 months emergency savings. It’s not possible for many.

So when the choice becomes:

- risk getting sick by going to work
- lose your house, ability to feed your family

I’m going to work.
 
Agree. But you also cannot keep people from working while not providing them financial support.

Majority of people aren’t able to put away, or won’t, 6 months emergency savings. It’s not possible for many.

So when the choice becomes:

- risk getting sick by going to work
- lose your house, ability to feed your family

I’m going to work.
Whose saying not to take the risk of getting sick? Are you talking about business owners?
 
Agree. But you also cannot keep people from working while not providing them financial support.

Majority of people aren’t able to put away, or won’t, 6 months emergency savings. It’s not possible for many.

So when the choice becomes:

- risk getting sick by going to work
- lose your house, ability to feed your family

I’m going to work.
And that's why they need to be smart about it. Adamson doing "f the man", no masks, crowded indoor spaces was just a childish outburst that he deserved to be hit hard for. If he had been smart about it and spread picnic tables around the parking lot, public sentiment (and maybe even the courts) would have been much more on his side.
 
Okay so we’re talking about business owners. That’s a whole new league of fines and charges, forget the risk of getting sick.
If you think it’s worth taking on the government then more power to you.
 
Whose saying not to take the risk of getting sick? Are you talking about business owners?
I’m talking about people that have no choice but to work.

And we have examples here where someone posted their bosses are forcing them to go in, and hiding COVID cases, even though their jobs can be done from home.

Let’s not forget @Zoodles95 and others who don’t have the backing of management and municipal transit agencies to stop people from getting on without a mask.
 
Has anybody witnessed anything they could describe as a "lockdown" having taken place within this last year?
All I have seen is a significant reduction, disruption or shortage of everything except expenses, inflation is doing very well, too bad we can't make a living off inflation.
 
I’m talking about people that have no choice but to work.

And we have examples here where someone posted their bosses are forcing them to go in, and hiding COVID cases, even though their jobs can be done from home.

Let’s not forget @Zoodles95 and others who don’t have the backing of management and municipal transit agencies to stop people from getting on without a mask.
Well. Technically I have a choice, I can work or not get paid. I work in a Mfg plant with Covid cases but I don’t see it as a choice, I need a roof over my head. My wife works in a hospital, so there’s risk at work and when I get home. If I get it then I get it.

if business are not following the orders of the province then they should be reported. Throwing our hands in the air and complaining doesn’t solve a thing.

As I said before, the current situation is largely on both levels of government. Now we didn’t help matters by throwing beach parties and flooding parks every chance we got. Or travelling to open regions when we couldn’t buy video games at our local EBgames. If more of us had just made the hard decisions from the start we likely wouldn’t be in lockdown currently. If business owners want to lay blame they can also blame the people, not just politicians, imo.
 
This is happening in Poland also. Government did a blanket shut down with minimal (if any) support for people in the lower ranks.
People started opening up on their own because you can’t live and no response form the govt in any heavy handed way. You can’t expect people to just sit at home while their bills keep piling. It’s not sustainable, and it’s not going to work.

I full agree with people reopening simply because it appears that this lockdown has given the thumbs up to bigger corps that can game the rules. Either shut it all down and support people, or don’t be surprised when your fake lockdowns aren’t effective.

Stores can definitely keep safe if they follow protocols, gyms...not so sure how far they can go.

As I’ve stated before it’s the areas where people are forced to work under ****** conditions and in close proximity to one another that are an issue. Amazon, Canada Post, meat factories, lower income jobs and areas.

‘Essential construction’ is also a joke. My friends are so busy with these essential renovations they can’t keep up. And all of them say the same thing....no one wears a mask, no one cares, MOL shows up all the masks come on as they get tipped off either by the boss, or the white hat walking towards the building.

And before someone asks for evidence, i don't have it. This is what I think.

Covid doesn't know the meaning of fair.

A lady in Hamilton opened her restaurant in October a few weeks before the latest lock down. She made the financial commitments before covid by selling her house to fund the restaurant. Relief packages require submitting the previous year's receipts. She's screwed. Chez Chloe on Hess FWIW.

Shopping can be a relatively safe activity for small stores, just eliminate the browsers.

Right now I need a new pair of hiking boots. I need to try them on and prefer not shopping on line. Why can't an allowance be made for me to book an appointment at a shoe store, describing my need and I get to look only at that line of goods. The store staff would be minimal and a one to one ratio. A cheap non contact thermometer adds a small bit of protection.

Part of the problem is browsers. Has anyone here ever been to a non-supermarket grocery?

At the grocery store we used in rural Manitoba customers came in with their shopping lists and went to the counter with them. The lady running the place picked the items off the shelves for you while you waited. As a kid, I remember her using an extension squeeze clamp to get light things down from the high shelves.

There were no end counter displays or point of sale temptations. You got what was on your list, paid and left.

Browsing is normally very profitable for the stores as they get to tempt shoppers into all the new stuff. How many flavours of salad dressing do you need?

You'd think the construction boys would appreciate having a normal income and give back a bit or even meet their commitments. Nope.

An electrician I know is trying to do his part of a co-op housing job ethically but everyone else is screwing the place. The engineer is MIA, the general contractor breaks more stuff than he fixes and another LEC involved in the job has managed to probably triple the cost of his part. The property manager shrugs her shoulders. If crap hits the fan later they have a built in excuse, Covid.

I ended up working yesterday to bail out a friend because no one will commit to a date to look at a specific repair. It's more profitable to cherry pick on a day by day basis.

Factories and offices don't get the same attention and aren't public spaces. If someone snitches they probably were the ones that complained in house and become marked.

Too many of the decisions are being made by civil servants and politicians that aren't going through the day to day income issues. One of the problems in socialism is that a reasonably high degree is need to work with big numbers. The person with that education is usually well paid and doesn't have the grass root understanding of the life of a minimum wage earner.

Poor people know how the rich live because they go into the mansions to clean them. The rich people never experience the the slums to see how the less fortunate live.

Rich person dinner conversation: Stocks, interest rates, opportunities.

Poor people dinner conversation: We're out of milk. When's payday. Can we borrow $10 from your brother?

Covid is the final element of the perfect storm we've been building.

The aftermath will be permanent. Why fix the problem when it enriches the politicians to perpetuate the problem?
 
Agree with @Evoex especially the first sentence. You have a choice of work or not get paid. Similar to many others.
I’m fortunate at being able to WFH this entire time.
And good dig about the video game...but I never bought it lol.
Been to the cottage a few times without leaving our property.
And the last 2x was drive up, confirm roof hadn’t collapsed under snow load, and drove home.
 
Greater Vancouver has similar per capita case count compared to the GTA. Everything's open here though. I can ski at cypress and have beer and burger in town latter. Ones thing is clear by comparison. Everyone wears a mask. Ski lines? Everyone's wearing a mask properly. occasionally people get called out on it and they comply. No whining or bitching. Costco, home depot, grocery stores everyone's wearing a mask properly. Come to think of it the only person I saw without a mask was a douche bro at princess auto. I looked in to these numbers a few weeks ago when I was having an argument with someone. I might be off now, but still, everything's open here. Wtf GTA is doing so wrong, or maybe closing closing stores and recreation does not make a difference? Dunno.

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Umm I don't think this is a great exmaple, B.C was pretty late to the "make masks manditory" everywhere policy. I have friends in BC and they were very cautious but there were limited rules in place. And wasn't there a thing about fights breaking out in grocery stores from people refusing to comply to the policies???
 
Agree with @Evoex especially the first sentence. You have a choice of work or not get paid. Similar to many others.
I’m fortunate at being able to WFH this entire time.
And good dig about the video game...but I never bought it lol.
Been to the cottage a few times without leaving our property.
And the last 2x was drive up, confirm roof hadn’t collapsed under snow load, and drove home.
Oh it wasn’t a direct shot at you, but i figured it was a relatable example. ?
 
Our school board has confirmed they are restarting monday. Provincial requirement is masks grade 1 and above, our board is requiring masks for all students. I am not sure about outdoors, some school boards are enforcing outdoor mask use as well.
 
Our school board has confirmed they are restarting monday. Provincial requirement is masks grade 1 and above, our board is requiring masks for all students. I am not sure about outdoors, some school boards are enforcing outdoor mask use as well.
My son has to wear a mask in daycare as of last Friday. He doesn’t seem to mind thankfully.
 
My son has to wear a mask in daycare as of last Friday. He doesn’t seem to mind thankfully.
Our daycare (which happens to be in the school) does not require masks yet. The kid is amenable to wearing one, but damn. It falls off often, is constantly pulled down, etc. It is more a make work project than PPE over a full day.
 
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