Coronavirus

[GreyGhost]

That's one of my peeves -- sniffles at Emergency. I live near Markham-Stouffville hospital and have had to use emergency for a couple of self inflicted injuries and countless times when I took injured hockey players in for broken this and that. 1/2 the people in the ER have sniffles and tooth aches. I remember when I lived in the US, if you had a family doctor issue and showed up at the ER the triage nurse would turn you away to a walk-in clinic.

I can't imagine the cost our healthcare system bears when someone feels they are special and need to visit a hospital when they have a sniffle or an injury that just needs a bandaid.

I still think that a small co-pay would clean this up quickly. Family doc is $5, walk-in clinic is $10 and ER is $20. I think it would help a lot for people to decide on appropriate care. If you dont want to pay $5 to see the doc, why should we pay $200? Also pay scale encourages people to select the appropriate level of care.They are all scanning your health card so for people that truly cannot afford that money it just pops up as free.

I also would love a bill with a zero balance on your way out. "Todays visit cost the system $2300". It may open some eyes as to the cost of being told their sniffle is a sniffle.

 

[nobbie48]

I still think that a small co-pay would clean this up quickly. Family doc is $5, walk-in clinic is $10 and ER is $20. I think it would help a lot for people to decide on appropriate care. If you dont want to pay $5 to see the doc, why should we pay $200? Also pay scale encourages people to select the appropriate level of care.They are all scanning your health card so for people that truly cannot afford that money it just pops up as free.

I also would love a bill with a zero balance on your way out. "Todays visit cost the system $2300". It may open some eyes as to the cost of being told their sniffle is a sniffle.

YES a thousand times. People keep saying we have free healthcare. IT ISN"T FREE. It's taxpayer funded. I've asked my doctor how much my annual was costing and even he didn't know. His fee plus blood tests etc.

if someone wants a second opinion and it's the same as the first they pay for it. Time to rein in the runaway horses.

 

[crankcall]

If you have any sort of medical issue beyond obvious, like a broken arm, your a complete moron to not look at a second opinion. If the opinion is the same thats a bonus.

never get really sick in July in Canada, and the guy that graduates last in his class? you still call him doctor.

 

[Trials]

I paid for my health care!
OHIP deductions have been itemized on my pay stubs for as far back as I can remember pay stubs.

 

[GreyGhost]

If you have any sort of medical issue beyond obvious, like a broken arm, your a complete moron to not look at a second opinion. If the opinion is the same thats a bonus.

never get really sick in July in Canada, and the guy that graduates last in his class? you still call him doctor.

I know multiple people with broken bones that were told by multiple doctors that they were fine prior to someone finally giving a crap. Hell, I had three ER docs, two radiologists and a family doc tell me I was fine while my shoulder had a posterior dislocation. It was ten days later when I finally found a doc that knew what was going on in two seconds. It is a bugger getting an ortho referral to get your problem fixed when every first line doc you see says you dont have a problem (even though you have no external rotation or flexion).

Ideally, one doc, one diagnosis would work. Unfortunately that doesnt (at least in Canada).

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I paid for my health care!

Maybe you're in the black. Me, I subsidized mine........while helping put several orthopedic surgeons' children through university.

 

[nobbie48]

Just out of curiosity how many here have written their MP to voice their thanks or complains on how the covid situation is being handled?

In my email I particularly noted news reports indicating the USA is trying to hoard the world supply of protective equipment while leaning towards an early opening of borders.

No question this situation sucks but as long as our lungs continue to suck as well I'm OK with it.

There will be big bills to pay down the road. We can deal with it. My grandparents survived emigrating to Canada, a new language, two world wars, the great depression, the Spanish flu and the loss of a child. Sorry about your latte.

 

[jc100]

I still think that a small co-pay would clean this up quickly. Family doc is $5, walk-in clinic is $10 and ER is $20. I think it would help a lot for people to decide on appropriate care. If you dont want to pay $5 to see the doc, why should we pay $200? Also pay scale encourages people to select the appropriate level of care.They are all scanning your health card so for people that truly cannot afford that money it just pops up as free.

I also would love a bill with a zero balance on your way out. "Todays visit cost the system $2300". It may open some eyes as to the cost of being told their sniffle is a sniffle.

A large number of people still don’t have a family doc. One of my colleagues still travels 2.5h to see his old family doc as he can’t get one in K town. Some walk in clinics are only for those who have a family doc at a certain practice. That only leaves the ER room for some. The real answer to this is to release the stranglehold the medical associations have over who can practice here and the hoops they have to jump through. That or make it such that all family medicine students/residents do rotations through communities where doctors are needed.

 

[PrivatePilot]

I still think that a small co-pay would clean this up quickly. Family doc is $5, walk-in clinic is $10 and ER is $20. I think it would help a lot for people to decide on appropriate care. If you dont want to pay $5 to see the doc, why should we pay $200? Also pay scale encourages people to select the appropriate level of care.They are all scanning your health card so for people that truly cannot afford that money it just pops up as free.

I also would love a bill with a zero balance on your way out. "Todays visit cost the system $2300". It may open some eyes as to the cost of being told their sniffle is a sniffle.

1000% this. Except I'd make the emergency room visit $500 unless it was an actual emergency that required a visit to the emergency room as agreed upon by the doctor that treated you. Then it's waived.

 

[Baggsy]

A large number of people still don’t have a family doc. One of my colleagues still travels 2.5h to see his old family doc as he can’t get one in K town. Some walk in clinics are only for those who have a family doc at a certain practice. That only leaves the ER room for some. The real answer to this is to release the stranglehold the medical associations have over who can practice here and the hoops they have to jump through. That or make it such that all family medicine students/residents do rotations through communities where doctors are needed.

What JC100 says is correct, although I'm not 100% sure of his proposed solution. We lucked out in that the clinic we were going to had a new doctor, and we heard the rumour that he was taking on patients. Within months after us signing up, he stopped taking any more patients, and moved into his own practice. I've had hit and miss experiences with the emergency dept over the years.

 

[GreyGhost]

Michael Bryant is a scourge on the face of the earth. What an arsehole. Trying to get tickets dropped before this is mess is controlled. Arguing that many should never have been issued and the dollar value is way too high. Yes, dickwad, handing out $50 tickets will do wonders to change people's behaviour. Gah, he is on my shortlist of people that are bad to have on this earth.

Civil Liberties group seeks amnesty for recreational tickets issued during pandemic

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association says it's going to fight for citizens nabbed for municipal recreational infractions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cp24.com

 

[regder]

Michael Bryant is a scourge on the face of the earth. What an arsehole.

I assume this is the same Michael Bryant that killed a cyclist

 

[ToSlow]

I assume this is the same Michael Bryant that killed a cyclist

probably got another book coming out soon and needs the free press

 

[ChrisCBR]

Michael Bryant is a scourge on the face of the earth. What an arsehole. Trying to get tickets dropped before this is mess is controlled. Arguing that many should never have been issued and the dollar value is way too high. Yes, dickwad, handing out $50 tickets will do wonders to change people's behaviour. Gah, he is on my shortlist of people that are bad to have on this earth.

Civil Liberties group seeks amnesty for recreational tickets issued during pandemic

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association says it's going to fight for citizens nabbed for municipal recreational infractions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cp24.com

Michael Bryant is a cocky, egotistical sociopath. I enjoyed watching his career crumble, Mr big shot Harvard lawyer.
How on earth is that guy the executive director of the civil liberties group?

I remember his staunch hate of sports cars and modified cars when he was AG.
"What I would say to anybody who is engaging in the illegal act of street racing is we don't need to wait until that car hits the road fully loaded."
"Just on the balance of probabilities if we can establish that a car is being used for the unlawful purpose of street racing, we will seize it and you will never see it again"

So he wanted the state to have the power to seize property before they are used in a "crime", on the balance of probabilities.
Kind of sounds like a "police state"

I have a friend that worked in the auto industry, apparently Mr Bryant owned an S2000.

From the above article.
"We don't live in a police state. Politicians should never be giving direction to police or bylaw officers,” he said in an interview."

Bryant is a hypocrite.

He wanted to target car enthusiasts because several people are killed every year in which street racing is assumed to be the cause.
Now he is advocating for tickets to be thrown out for people not following social distancing which if not done on a large scale could result in the deaths of thousands of people and a delay of months to open the economy.

Michael Bryant Did A TEDx Talk About How Killing My Son Helped His Personal Growth

Bryant says he would not be the man he was meant to be if he hadn’t killed my son, Darcy Allan.

www.canadalandshow.com

 

[jc100]

Michael Bryant is a scourge on the face of the earth. What an arsehole. Trying to get tickets dropped before this is mess is controlled. Arguing that many should never have been issued and the dollar value is way too high. Yes, dickwad, handing out $50 tickets will do wonders to change people's behaviour. Gah, he is on my shortlist of people that are bad to have on this earth.

Civil Liberties group seeks amnesty for recreational tickets issued during pandemic

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association says it's going to fight for citizens nabbed for municipal recreational infractions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cp24.com

so the guy that got a ticket for doing chin ups in the park..,did he wipe down the bars afterwards?

 

[nobbie48]

Michael Bryant is a scourge on the face of the earth. What an arsehole. Trying to get tickets dropped before this is mess is controlled. Arguing that many should never have been issued and the dollar value is way too high. Yes, dickwad, handing out $50 tickets will do wonders to change people's behaviour. Gah, he is on my shortlist of people that are bad to have on this earth.

Civil Liberties group seeks amnesty for recreational tickets issued during pandemic

The Canadian Civil Liberties Association says it's going to fight for citizens nabbed for municipal recreational infractions during the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.cp24.com

I can understand his stance to a point in different times but the police aren't the judges. They charge as they are ordered to do.

What are they supposed to do? Spend hours examining every situation?

Bryant, I thought, was trying to turn his reputation around after his bicycle incident. Helping the downtrodden is a good idea but it would help his credibility if he helped those who were really downtrodden instead backing a bunch of self centred twits.

 

[regder]

a bunch of self centred twits.

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I genuinely believe zero cops (or a number close to it) are actively going out and trying to find people to ticket. They don't want to interact with people in the current situation anymore than anyone else. I would bet the large majority of people being ticketed are being absolute knobs about the current situation and deserve it.

That guy that got a ticket innocently rollerblading with his family? By his own admission, he was asked to leave, but then decided to get into it with the cop.

That guy doing pullups in a park? Conveniently a defence attorney, they're not known to debate every little thing.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I could see making a Charter defense out of getting a ticket for the same thing another Canadian was given a police escort to do.

 

[Wingboy]

Stay at home.

 

[Baggsy]

Saw this on Facebook:

"WE ARE NOT IN THE SAME BOAT ...

I keep hearing that everyone is in the same boat. But it's really not like that. We are in the same storm yes, but we are not in the same boat.

Your ship can be shipwrecked and mine cannot. Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine is optimal and full of moments of reflection, of reconnection and peace. Life is easy in flip flops, with a glass of Coke or or a cup of tea in hand. For others, this is a desperate crisis. For others it is facing real loneliness.

For some it means peace, rest time and a bit of a holiday. For others, this is torture as they wonder how they are going to pay their bills? Others are concerned about the bread for the weekend and if the pasta will last for a few more days.

Some are in their "home office" doing all they can to protect the company they work for and still do an honest days work from home. Others are looking through rubbish bins to survive.
Some want to go back to work because they are running out of money but in the same breathe they are worried about the unseen virus and they have questions about it. Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.

Some need to break the quarantine to stand in a queue at the supermarket. Others just really want to escape. Others criticize the government for the queue at the shop and for all the uncertainty.

Some have faith in God and are patiently praying and waiting for miracles in 2020. Others say the worse is yet to come and that's probably our reality. Truth is, life as we knew it before is gone.

So, friends, we are not in the same boat.

We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different and each one will emerge, in his/her own way, from that storm. Some with a tan from their pool. Others with scars on the soul. It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, more than looking, actually seeing.

See beyond the political party, beyond the nose on your face. Do not underestimate the pain of others if you do not feel it.

Do not judge the good life of others, do not condemn the bad life of others. Just don't be a judge. Let us not judge the one who lacks, as well as the one who exceeds him.

We are on different ships and all looking to survive. Let everyone navigate their route with respect, empathy and responsibility. Stop the judgment and please just be kind.

Written by Nicki Peverett"