So you want somebody to do a trackday in order to be licensed on the road?油井緋色;2302932 said:
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cc limit for new riders
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You're not making sense
As data rolls in from Europe, which is way ahead of NA in driver safety, Ontario is likely to adopt similar legislation to European graded licences. However, there have been learner restrictions and graded licences in Europe for decades and we just ignored all that.
I think mandatory ABS and stock pipe restrictions will come first, pressured by insurance companies. The reality is that insurance lobbies tend to set government policy in Ontario.
I think mandatory ABS and stock pipe restrictions will come first, pressured by insurance companies. The reality is that insurance lobbies tend to set government policy in Ontario.
油井緋色;2302932 said:
Perhaps a good street rider just reduces their speed. Even if track training allows you to ride faster I'm pretty sure it doesn't give you vision sufficient to see round corners and spot road imperfections or encroaching cars. I do agree that if you can't save speed for the track you should at least learn on one if limit-pushing is your thing.
kiwi
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And it works in Aust/NZ. I had my full NZ Motorcycle licence within 18mths in NZ, after doing an advanced riding course. Whats that? 2 summers here?
From what I have seen, those 40+ year olds are just as dangerous as younger guys on sports bikes. I've had 2 pull out in front of me nearly taking me out. Wankers . Everyone is so righteous on this forum - lol
I am personally for CC restrictions. Too many cowboy riders here.
We've let the insurance industry limit the cc'd due to insurance costs.
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OmegaBravo7
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True, but you are significantly more tempted to accelerate or throttle when your take off is swift.
Same analogy applies to driving a corolla vs dodge viper. Viper drivers are more likely to speed than corolla drivers and getting to that "speeding" or "too" fast category happens way faster on the viper.
When I was riding my ninja 250 I rarely took off and sped like I am now on my gsxr 750.
Boots
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And i think in the end thats what it comes down to. Not cc's as this potential legislation (if it existed) tries to highlight.
Nope. I want someone to learn how to handle their motorcycle with proper education if they decide to purchase a supersport/superbike. A lot of our single rider runs into pole type accidents are because of said ignorance.
This would probably lower insurance too =D
Will have to agree with this. I find it really enjoyable to come out of a ramp and bang through gears.
On a 250, you'll get up to 140 with a lot of effort. On a 750, you'll be at 200+ with little effort.
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Not to mention you have to be able to do slow cornering or maneuvers on the street. You probably can't learn that on the track
Boots
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I think the reverse could be said also. I like wringing the bike out... i could be at WOT on that road if i wanted because thats what 400s or low cc bikes make me want to do.
Boots
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Gsxr 1000
SS of some sort...GSXR?
CC limits are not the way to go IMO. Small CC bikes can make big power while many large CC bikes make mostly noise.
I like HP limits because it still allows a person to buy a larger bike with a restrictor plate or a MAP that limits the HP (maybe 33hp, maybe 50hp?). Yes people will mod the bike to remove the limits before they are allowed to, I say let the insurance companies and police deal with this. Insurance can even implement a once a year check to make sure it is still there as part of the policy, big PITA for some squid to be switching back and forth. As a parallel, people ride today without insurance or a license, just because people break the law does not mean we get rid of the requirement, instead we have penalties etc.… Hey a guy with his M1 can break the law and ride after dark with a passenger, just like this case—does not mean we drop the restriction!
This will make Harley etc. happy since it will not dry up the entry rider market like a cc limit will. Also, in theory a new rider could still buy a restricted R1 as another example… Physically larger guys (or girls) do not have to ride a small clown bike, they can buy a bike that fits them physically. It may actually be a boom for new bike sales since they could offer the limit as an add on option which would be easier than having an old bike converted. Small CC bikes that are under the HP limit will popular in resale as well. The HP limit could be part of the initial safety check for any bike being registered by anything but an M rider.
In the end it reduces the number of noobs to scrape up off the road, and in a better way than CC limits and way better than the current system. It is also not reinventing the wheel, because other countries have HP limits…
Mr. Noob can still pose at Timmies on his XXXXXRRRRRR bike... HP limits do not reduce the pose factor.
I like HP limits because it still allows a person to buy a larger bike with a restrictor plate or a MAP that limits the HP (maybe 33hp, maybe 50hp?). Yes people will mod the bike to remove the limits before they are allowed to, I say let the insurance companies and police deal with this. Insurance can even implement a once a year check to make sure it is still there as part of the policy, big PITA for some squid to be switching back and forth. As a parallel, people ride today without insurance or a license, just because people break the law does not mean we get rid of the requirement, instead we have penalties etc.… Hey a guy with his M1 can break the law and ride after dark with a passenger, just like this case—does not mean we drop the restriction!
This will make Harley etc. happy since it will not dry up the entry rider market like a cc limit will. Also, in theory a new rider could still buy a restricted R1 as another example… Physically larger guys (or girls) do not have to ride a small clown bike, they can buy a bike that fits them physically. It may actually be a boom for new bike sales since they could offer the limit as an add on option which would be easier than having an old bike converted. Small CC bikes that are under the HP limit will popular in resale as well. The HP limit could be part of the initial safety check for any bike being registered by anything but an M rider.
In the end it reduces the number of noobs to scrape up off the road, and in a better way than CC limits and way better than the current system. It is also not reinventing the wheel, because other countries have HP limits…
Mr. Noob can still pose at Timmies on his XXXXXRRRRRR bike... HP limits do not reduce the pose factor.
BradW
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When I started riding, my father imposed a size limit on my bike... I spent my first year of riding on a Honda CH150. Being fat assed, and 6'3" tall, I had to sit in the passenger seat just to have enough leg room, but I knew it was a necessary step to moving up. I also think that learning on something that is under-powered with less than perfect drum brakes forces you to keep your head up, and pay closer attention to what's going on around you.
European restrictions are not on displacement, or power alone, they are on power/weight ratio. Ironically,this helps Harley.
Insurance companies don't need to check, they can just void coverage if someone de-restricted. They love to weasel out of claims.
But this fixes about 40% of the problem. As long as the auto drivers test continues to be a pulse check and a mirror held up to test for breath, we won't fix much.
Insurance companies don't need to check, they can just void coverage if someone de-restricted. They love to weasel out of claims.
But this fixes about 40% of the problem. As long as the auto drivers test continues to be a pulse check and a mirror held up to test for breath, we won't fix much.
If it got us 40%, I am happy with that. We can work on the other 60% next.
Agreed CC restrictions make no sense. Under 25 with any thing bigger than a 650 gets severally dinged by the insurance industry with out any thought process as to what the individual is actually riding. Its a very simple way to try to put limits on new/younger riders. However it does not make any sense in the real world For example.
23 year old, 3 years with full M, Suzuki M50 $3,400.00.
23 year old, 3 years with full M, Suzuki GSX650 $1,800.00
This seams to defy any logic with anybody that knows anything about the capabilities of these two motorcycles.
This logic is from the insurance industry who is supposed to know something about what they are insuring. Imagine what great rules would come out of our government who could not hold a piss up in a brewery
23 year old, 3 years with full M, Suzuki M50 $3,400.00.
23 year old, 3 years with full M, Suzuki GSX650 $1,800.00
This seams to defy any logic with anybody that knows anything about the capabilities of these two motorcycles.
This logic is from the insurance industry who is supposed to know something about what they are insuring. Imagine what great rules would come out of our government who could not hold a piss up in a brewery
Actually that makes a ton of sense. A Ninja noob video in multimedia is just one example of why. Timid people who don't have command of a vehicles' dynamics are an accident waiting to happen.
The distinction I clearly made was on what is necessary to ride on the street (legal requirements) and what "would be nice" as extra training, a track course should always fall on the "would be nice"
Body position is different when negotiating turn 1 at Shannonville vs turning left on Yonge and Eglinton, Braking points are irrelevant as it implies people using a set object as a guide to brake when on the street you have to brake relative to other moving objects, Lines as well, you can't take the fast or best line when there is a truck turning wide in your way.
I understand what you are getting at and I am not trying to be a prick, it is just that people need to be careful on what they ask for in regards to new laws.
Body position is different when negotiating turn 1 at Shannonville vs turning left on Yonge and Eglinton, Braking points are irrelevant as it implies people using a set object as a guide to brake when on the street you have to brake relative to other moving objects, Lines as well, you can't take the fast or best line when there is a truck turning wide in your way.
I understand what you are getting at and I am not trying to be a prick, it is just that people need to be careful on what they ask for in regards to new laws.
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