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Apparently the time allowances for collation of junk mail is "built into" the routes.
The routes in Guelph typically get between 9-15 minutes of time. I don't know how they think it's possible to collate 300-500 sets of 8-12 flyers in that amount of time.

In Guelph, our local basically revolted. We refused to collate at the end of the day - instead, we collate first thing in the morning for that day.
Our one mobile route has about 3 hours of collation per day - he gets 10-15 flyers a day on average, at 550ish sets.

Well, that's interesting.

I'd like to see a full accounting of revenue, the piece fee paid to posties and also the full all in cost, including all benefits, for sorting and collating and organising the flyers. A billion in revenue is big bucks, but what does it cost CP to support the program? What is the net profit?
 
Correct.
A *HUGE* number of flyers are simply dropped directly into recycle bins.

The only ones that people REALLY want are Canadian Tire and the fast food coupons.
Talked with several pizza shop owners, and flyers make a huge surge is sales for them. Dunno about the rest.
That sounds like something that should be automated at the depot. So why is the union fighting against all automation in the postal service

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That sounds like something that should be automated at the depot. So why is the union fighting against all automation in the postal service

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Why are the unions fighting automation in the shipping ports ? Auto assembly plants ? A container scanner at Port of Montreal ? Robots don’t pay union dues , and those ungrateful robots don’t stand on picket lines .


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That sounds like something that should be automated at the depot. So why is the union fighting against all automation in the postal service

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Collating flyers? Yeah right. Why buy an expensive machine to do it when you can make the letter carrier do it as part of their shift. No one has a problem with that, the issue is the time they believe it should take to do is unrealistic. As i said before, plenty of people are choosing to come in early or stay late and do this unpaid. But you're really caught between a rock and a hard place because overtime is denied and coming in early can actually get you an interview with management.
 
Collating flyers? Yeah right. Why buy an expensive machine to do it when you can make the letter carrier do it as part of their shift. No one has a problem with that, the issue is the time they believe it should take to do is unrealistic. As i said before, plenty of people are choosing to come in early or stay late and do this unpaid. But you're really caught between a rock and a hard place because overtime is denied and coming in early can actually get you an interview with management.
But the union wants to make you keep doing it forever not have it done by a machine for you. Seems messed up look like the union is the biggest issue here.

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But the union wants to make you keep doing it forever not have it done by a machine for you. Seems messed up look like the union is the biggest issue here.

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So the corporation can save on the capital expense and the union can save a job. All that needs to be worked out is a middle ground for the preparation time.

Also i'm not sure this kind of work could be solved easily by a machine. The flyers are all different shapes and sizes, not every route has the same flyers...it may actually end up being slower with a machine.
 
So the corporation can save on the capital expense and the union can save a job. All that needs to be worked out is a middle ground for the preparation time.

Also i'm not sure this kind of work could be solved easily by a machine. The flyers are all different shapes and sizes, not every route has the same flyers...it may actually end up being slower with a machine.
Shapes and sizes is easy for cp to solve. "If you want to get the special flyer rate, here's the size. You get to pick the number of pages."
 
Collating flyers? Yeah right. Why buy an expensive machine to do it when you can make the letter carrier do it as part of their shift. No one has a problem with that, the issue is the time they believe it should take to do is unrealistic. As i said before, plenty of people are choosing to come in early or stay late and do this unpaid. But you're really caught between a rock and a hard place because overtime is denied and coming in early can actually get you an interview with management.

Is CP and SSD trying to separate the task.. and make it a lower wage job instead of carriers doing it?
 
Is CP and SSD trying to separate the task.. and make it a lower wage job instead of carriers doing it?
My depot doesn't have SSD yet. @BigEvilDoer and @Jayell would have to weigh in on the current status quo.

My understanding is even with SSD you still have to collate your flyers. I suppose in theory by removing the need for the letter carrier having to deal with un-sequenced mail (mail that wasn't sorted by a machine already) there is time saved which could be put towards collating. However, SSD goes hand in hand with routes being modified and veteran letter carriers are coming back with trucks filled with mail still.

Also, I think almost everyone on the floor is paid the same as a carrier, but someone else feel free to correct me.
 
Well, that's interesting.

I'd like to see a full accounting of revenue, the piece fee paid to posties and also the full all in cost, including all benefits, for sorting and collating and organising the flyers. A billion in revenue is big bucks, but what does it cost CP to support the program? What is the net profit?
I don’t know about the numbers, but I do know it’s an absolute cash cow.

When you consider the amount we are paid per piece and compare to the charge… 90% is pretty much gravy for CP.
 
But the union wants to make you keep doing it forever not have it done by a machine for you. Seems messed up look like the union is the biggest issue here.

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Well, that’s not correct.
They tried a collation machine in Mississauga for several months and simply couldn’t get it to work right. They tried collation and stuffing into bags - seemed plausible, but then they take too much room in our bags and we can’t carry enough to get from one relay box (reload point) to another…
 
Well, that’s not correct.
They tried a collation machine in Mississauga for several months and simply couldn’t get it to work right. They tried collation and stuffing into bags - seemed plausible, but then they take too much room in our bags and we can’t carry enough to get from one relay box (reload point) to another…
Yeah walking routes are screwed.
 
Is CP and SSD trying to separate the task.. and make it a lower wage job instead of carriers doing it?
The SSD “Routers” (sorters) are expected to sort 12 routes per day. Which is pretty much impossible to do on a heavier day.
CP expects that they will be able to eliminate 1/16 of the delivery force by forcing SSD on them.

Carriers will be given 30 minutes to do all their prep work (sort/organize parcels and packets (easily 50-100/day), scan all their flyer chits, sign out their keys and vehicle, do a vehicle inspection, load the vehicle and get on the way. This is an EXTREMELY short amount of time to do this.

Take those 30 minutes removed from sort time and add to delivery time/distance. So, 15 workers, extending days by 30 minutes allows 1 full time job to be removed…
 
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How many carriers finish their routes each day? Is it a lot.. few.. is it typically the same routes that do.. etc?
My neighbour is home by mid afternoon a lot of days.. his kid is newer.. typically works full days... I think he's a temp.
 
How many carriers finish their routes each day? Is it a lot.. few.. is it typically the same routes that do.. etc?
My neighbour is home by mid afternoon a lot of days.. his kid is newer.. typically works full days... I think he's a temp.
OK, so that’s a bit of a complicated question.
If you’re a route “owner” - you do the same route every single day. Mondays are almost always overtime for everyone. Tuesdays are usually overtime for a majority of posties. Weds-Friday are typically lower volume days, and sometimes posties are done at 3:30 or so, but only if they modify the routes to make them more efficient. If you follow the route directions precisely as CP wants you to do then, you will be taking the whole day.

Once a depot switches to SSD (Separate Sort and Delivery), you cannot modify your routes to make them more efficient. Everything is organized exactly the way CP wants it to be done. The Waterloo depot switched to SSD about 2 months ago. From what I have been told, there are about 5-8 routes that, before the strike, were 1 week behind in mail delivery. The routes were simply made too long to deliver in a single day without overtime.

Some routes are absolute monsters. One of the larger mobile routes (1600 points of call) is about 20 hours of overtime a week. Consistently. My old route had 170 stories of stairs a day (for reference, the CN Tower main deck is 155 stories) not including hills. If I hit every house, the route would be 32km. On average, it was 25-26km a day of walking.

CP builds the routes after doing mail counts and cuts jobs every few years. In the last 20 years, Guelph has lost 25 full time routes, and they have been absorbed by the others.

I am currently a “Relief Letter Carrier” — I do not have an assigned route. I pick up pieces of multiple routes every day and deliver them. If route owners need help due to heavy volume, appointments etc. Throughout the entire summer, I am doing different full routes every day, filling in for vacations, personal days etc.

The summer is overtime for me pretty much every day. I’m not familiar with all the routes (WTF is the mail slot on this house?!?! Not certain of how certain parts connect, sorting mail in stations where I don’t know where the streets are, which relay boxes are best to use, etc).

Your neighbour is guaranteed modifiying his route to get done faster if he is home that early. The modifications will 100% fly in the face of CP rules (which side of the street you’re walking on, where you start, where you stop and cab to your next part, criss-crossing streets).
 
How many carriers finish their routes each day? Is it a lot.. few.. is it typically the same routes that do.. etc?
My neighbour is home by mid afternoon a lot of days.. his kid is newer.. typically works full days... I think he's a temp.
Preface these comments with the fact that my depot is not SSD, still the old style.

There's been a handful of days i've been home eating dinner by the 8hr mark. There are some route owners who are done by the 6 hour mark everyday. But the majority of letter carriers take the full day and probably still bring something back. AND then they stay unpaid for another hour? to collate flyers for the next day.
 
Good news is there should be significantly less mail to deliver after this has finished as the last mail users are finding better ways.

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We were shipping about 24K daily thru CP before the strike. We re-routed what we could... not feasible to re-route everything. Our backlog is growing by about 7K each day of the strike.
 

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