Canada Post - Huge losses

ReSTored said:
We have a note in our community mailbox to not deliver community mail, i.e. flyers. Don't need them, don't want them.

Presumably advertisers pay good money because they believe flyers work. That said, someone............ should do a survey of consumers as to the effectiveness or need for flyers as, I suspect, a huge percentage of them just get dumped in the garbage or in the recycling bin.
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I assume the gross number advertisers pay for flyers is pretty large. I don't think the economics work though. @Evoex and others know better but IIRC postie gets a portion of a cent per flyer. If handling and delivering them was time based instead of piecework, I suspect it would be at least an order of magnitude higher. Flowing back to the advertiser, while fliers may make sense at $0.02 each (I have no idea actual price they pay), if price went to $0.20 each, I suspect most fliers would disappear as the economics don't work.

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As low hanging fruit on the save the environment tree, printing something, delivering it to everyone, putting it in a blue bin, collecting the bin, sorting it, bailing and selling for pulp is a huge and carbon intensive loop that absorbed a ton of money (much of it taxpayers money) with very little benefit. Adding a carbon cost to that loop would eliminate most flyers and reduce thousands of tons of crap moving around the loop that were never even looked at.
 
GreyGhost said:
I assume the gross number advertisers pay for flyers is pretty large. I don't think the economics work though. @Evoex and others know better but IIRC postie gets a portion of a cent per flyer. If handling and delivering them was time based instead of piecework, I suspect it would be at least an order of magnitude higher. Flowing back to the advertiser, while fliers may make sense at $0.02 each (I have no idea actual price they pay), if price went to $0.20 each, I suspect most fliers would disappear as the economics don't work.

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As low hanging fruit on the save the environment tree, printing something, delivering it to everyone, putting it in a blue bin, collecting the bin, sorting it, bailing and selling for pulp is a huge and carbon intensive loop that absorbed a ton of money (much of it taxpayers money) with very little benefit. Adding a carbon cost to that loop would eliminate most flyers and reduce thousands of tons of crap moving around the loop that were never even looked at.
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Correct, letter carriers get paid per piece delivered. The company has nerfed the compensation over time, I hear it's on the chopping block again.

Canada Post makes a fortune from the flyer program.
 
ReSTored said:
We have a note in our community mailbox to not deliver community mail, i.e. flyers. Don't need them, don't want them.

Presumably advertisers pay good money because they believe flyers work. That said, someone............ should do a survey of consumers as to the effectiveness or need for flyers as, I suspect, a huge percentage of them just get dumped in the garbage or in the recycling bin.
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I have them delivered, but they get binned right away, I don't even look at them. Anytime I want to buy something, I just check the store website, then their flyer. Or I use a website/app like Flipp and check all flyers at once.

They do pay good money for it, but I think this is a hold out for a generation still attached to this method of sales/promotion, or not as tuned into tech like say our parents. Once that demographic as moved on, so will the flyers.
 
ReSTored said:
We have a note in our community mailbox to not deliver community mail, i.e. flyers. Don't need them, don't want them.

Presumably advertisers pay good money because they believe flyers work. That said, someone............ should do a survey of consumers as to the effectiveness or need for flyers as, I suspect, a huge percentage of them just get dumped in the garbage or in the recycling bin.
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Just a heads up (for information purpose really) the letter carrier is required to continue delivery to all points of call unless the customer calls in to explicitly request removal from the neighborhood mail program. Any written requests in a mailbox can be ignored. Now your regular letter carrier probably doesn't care, but if they get a shift covered by a temp (like me), unless I can confirm you are legitimatetely off the program you're getting all the flyers.

Doesn't sound like you care about getting the occasional flyer, but just providing an explanation on why it may appear even with a clear written request not to do so.
 
Evoex said:
As expected, the company gave notice that the current agreement would expire at midnight and the new default working agreement would be the minimum standards as laid out by the Ontario Labour Code. No way the union was going to let their members have potential layoffs hang over their head.
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So are you going to be on the picket lines, what is the support like that from the members to be out there?
 
sburns said:
So are you going to be on the picket lines, what is the support like that from the members to be out there?
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I won't if I have work to do. Which currently is the case.

Quite a lot are currently picketing at the depot, 3 shifts worth all day
 
I get about 8 magazine subscriptions , and that is all I need mail for . And if I wasn’t a Luddite I could read them online .
The posties are depriving me of my entertainment, so F em all .
Except Evoex , he’s ok ….


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crankcall said:
I get about 8 magazine subscriptions , and that is all I need mail for . And if I wasn’t a Luddite I could read them online .
The posties are depriving me of my entertainment, so F em all .
Except Evoex , he’s ok ….


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Just think about the joy you'll get when you have a mailbox jammed right full of magazines (and crap you don't want). Absence makes the heart grow fonder and all that drivel.

We have at least three posties on GTAM.
 
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Evoex said:
The flyers situation at my depot at least is pretty nuts. People are coming in or staying late an hour+ working unpaid to organize it for the day/next day. Technically part of your paid shift consists of this work but there is not enough time on average to deliver the route mail and organize this during the 8hrs and management will refuse to pay OT for it to be done.
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Apparently the time allowances for collation of junk mail is "built into" the routes.
The routes in Guelph typically get between 9-15 minutes of time. I don't know how they think it's possible to collate 300-500 sets of 8-12 flyers in that amount of time.

In Guelph, our local basically revolted. We refused to collate at the end of the day - instead, we collate first thing in the morning for that day.
Our one mobile route has about 3 hours of collation per day - he gets 10-15 flyers a day on average, at 550ish sets.
 
GreyGhost said:
I doubt the truth will ever come out but my suspicion is they are underpricing flyers for the work actually involved. Keeping flyer volume up looks good on paper and justifies existence of CP. If they compensated staff for the time required and charged what is required to deliver flyers profitably, almost that entire product line would dry up imo. That would be another step towards irrelevance. It does make it much easier to drop delivery frequency as you have cut 80% of the volume of garbage flowing through so it may be feasible to do delivery every week as storage requirements are hugely cut.
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For an average flyer, they charge the vendor $0.18. Posties get paid $0.012. For the larger flyers (Canadian Tire), they charge something like $0.27 and posties get something like $0.021.

CP makes over a BILLION dollars per year on junk mail. That's how important it is to the corporation
 
BigEvilDoer said:
Apparently the time allowances for collation of junk mail is "built into" the routes.
The routes in Guelph typically get between 9-15 minutes of time. I don't know how they think it's possible to collate 300-500 sets of 8-12 flyers in that amount of time.

In Guelph, our local basically revolted. We refused to collate at the end of the day - instead, we collate first thing in the morning for that day.
Our one mobile route has about 3 hours of collation per day - he gets 10-15 flyers a day on average, at 550ish sets.
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And that kind of crap deserves to be cleaned up. If it takes 3 hours a day, allow 3 hours to do it, hire someone else to do it, pay overtime to do it, something. Sure, that costs a lot. That's reality. Increase prices to compensate. That probably kills the program as it's not economically viable without exploitation of employees.
 
ReSTored said:
We have a note in our community mailbox to not deliver community mail, i.e. flyers. Don't need them, don't want them.

Presumably advertisers pay good money because they believe flyers work. That said, someone............ should do a survey of consumers as to the effectiveness or need for flyers as, I suspect, a huge percentage of them just get dumped in the garbage or in the recycling bin.
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Correct.
A *HUGE* number of flyers are simply dropped directly into recycle bins.

The only ones that people REALLY want are Canadian Tire and the fast food coupons.
Talked with several pizza shop owners, and flyers make a huge surge is sales for them. Dunno about the rest.
 
I would suspect for many , the flyer serves as a reminder store XX is an option. We use the Swiss chalet coupons , Harvey’s burgers ect . But only when we have a gimme. Grocery fliers help figure out what’s the plan . Things like Leon’s or Brick ect , straight in the bin. I think after a decade of CTC fliers I know the small welder is $189 and they have 5 ratchet sets from $49 to $499. It’s a lather and repeat process at CTC


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Now I know why sometImes I get double the same set of flyers in my mailbox. I think they decide on how many can fit in my mailbox... Lol. All good here. If it helps keep the postal service viable . I don't mind. I would rather have home delivery vs a supermailbox..
 
250R-ICE said:
Now I know why sometImes I get double the same set of flyers in my mailbox. I think they decide on how many can fit in my mailbox... Lol. All good here. If it helps keep the postal service viable . I don't mind. I would rather have home delivery vs a supermailbox..
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if you get the same flyers twice in the same week it's cause someone messed up.

the route is divided into 3 sections and each section is supposed to receive flyers on a specific day. so either they got the day wrong for your section of the route, they grabbed too many in a stack at your box or they somehow believed they missed you and went back.
 
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