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Can u smoke it? (W/P)

GentlemanRacer

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Just champing at the bit for the season to begin and I wondered about how to compare bikes to cages, and think Weight/Power seems to be a way to normalize the differences and get a sense of which cars one might reasonably smoke when they get pushy...if one did that sort of thing.

Here are some examples, the lower the better: http://exoticcars.about.com/od/toptens/tp/Weight-To-Power-Ratio-In-Exotic-Cars.htm
The w/p on my bike is a modest 7lbs/hp, where a 1600cc Fatboy is about 11.3lbs/hp, and a Monster 696 is about 5.5lbs/hp. SS guys are probably down around 4. Merc S550s are still up around 11-12, corvettes around 7 and i-bankers in porsche caymans are between 8-9 depending on which engine.

Anyway, something to consider next time you are at a light and the cager beside you starts creeping forward to cut you off.

Yes, yes, of course it is safer just to let him go, but it is more satisfying to kick his *** so that he thinks twice before trying it next time.
 
GentlemanRacer said:
Just champing at the bit for the season to begin and I wondered about how to compare bikes to cages, and think Weight/Power seems to be a way to normalize the differences and get a sense of which cars one might reasonably smoke when they get pushy...if one did that sort of thing.

Here are some examples, the lower the better: http://exoticcars.about.com/od/toptens/tp/Weight-To-Power-Ratio-In-Exotic-Cars.htm
The w/p on my bike is a modest 7lbs/hp, where a 1600cc Fatboy is about 11.3lbs/hp, and a Monster 696 is about 5.5lbs/hp. SS guys are probably down around 4. Merc S550s are still up around 11-12, corvettes around 7 and i-bankers in porsche caymans are between 8-9 depending on which engine.

Anyway, something to consider next time you are at a light and the cager beside you starts creeping forward to cut you off.

Yes, yes, of course it is safer just to let him go, but it is more satisfying to kick his *** so that he thinks twice before trying it next time.
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Any 600SS or higher will beat any factory car off the line with a good rider.
A 600 SS will beat a Bugatti Veyron in an 1/8 mile and most liter bikes would be close in the 1/4 mile.
 
matthew said:
No the civic will apparently do the 1/4 mile in 10 seconds.
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I find 99.99% of people will flat out lie about what times they do on the 1/4. Also most 600ss can run low 10s stock with an experienced rider.
 
DownUnder said:
I find 99.99% of people will flat out lie about what times they do on the 1/4. Also most 600ss can run low 10s stock with an experienced rider.
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I'm told the car has 400hp so it makes sense that it will do the 1/4 mile so quickly and be able to smoke a 600ss.
 
matthew said:
I'm told the car has 400hp so it makes sense that it will do the 1/4 mile so quickly and be able to smoke a 600ss.
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My buddy had a 550HP prelude and it ran hi 11's/lo 12's.
unless you have seen it in person, I wouldn't believe it. Has he ran it on the track or just guesstimating what it can do?
 
Front wheel drives have alot of trouble making good numbers on the quarter as it is. I doubt 400hp is enough for 10s.
 
GentlemanRacer said:
Just champing at the bit for the season to begin and I wondered about how to compare bikes to cages, and think Weight/Power seems to be a way to normalize the differences and get a sense of which cars one might reasonably smoke when they get pushy...if one did that sort of thing.

Here are some examples, the lower the better: http://exoticcars.about.com/od/toptens/tp/Weight-To-Power-Ratio-In-Exotic-Cars.htm
The w/p on my bike is a modest 7lbs/hp, where a 1600cc Fatboy is about 11.3lbs/hp, and a Monster 696 is about 5.5lbs/hp. SS guys are probably down around 4. Merc S550s are still up around 11-12, corvettes around 7 and i-bankers in porsche caymans are between 8-9 depending on which engine.

Anyway, something to consider next time you are at a light and the cager beside you starts creeping forward to cut you off.

Yes, yes, of course it is safer just to let him go, but it is more satisfying to kick his *** so that he thinks twice before trying it next time.
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Back when I was 15, I thought the same way.
I matured some when I wrote my test and got my license. Hope you do the same.

The only way that you will kick a car drivers *** is if you can hit the driver side door at the right angle to embed your bike within, whereas all he needs is one little bump...

Leave the ego at home in the bowl when you pick up the keys for the street. Otherwise, take it to the track.
 
DownUnder said:
I find 99.99% of people will flat out lie about what times they do on the 1/4. Also most 600ss can run low 10s stock with an experienced rider.
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By experienced, do you mean your name is ricky gadson? On a non lowered, stock wheelbase 600, I'd bet most street riders would be lucky to get into the high 10's on a 600.

Power to weight is important, but it starts to matter less the faster you go. In a roll-on encounter, a lot of 600 riders would be surprised by how many factory stock sports cars will start to walk away from them (on the back straight at shannonville/mosport, of course.. street racing is illegal and should never be done). For instance, a mildy modded 600 will do about 190ish kph on the back straight of shannonville on radar. My buddy's bone stock z06 ran 205 kph on radar last year at shanny. Of course, litre bikes are much faster, but then there are the big boys that are running high boost cars. Just one example: rob eng's tt vette... fuel interior, a/c, fully street legal and traps over 150 MPH in the 1/4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vLf9o1c53s There are many faster cars on the streets than this.
 
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Baggsy said:
Back when I was 15, I thought the same way.
I matured some when I wrote my test and got my license. Hope you do the same.

The only way that you will kick a car drivers *** is if you can hit the driver side door at the right angle to embed your bike within, whereas all he needs is one little bump...

Leave the ego at home in the bowl when you pick up the keys for the street. Otherwise, take it to the track.
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would you go skydiving or bungee ?
just curious....
 
Going with general numbers for a typical new 1,000 cc SS bike:

440 lbs. Wet weight & 190 motor hp.
440/190 = 2.3 lbs/hp.
 
Whatever. My neighbor Bogdan is first guy on street to have new 2006 Cheverolette Cavolier, yes? And I smoke him! He say his Cavolier is fastest car in all of Kazakhstan
 
Next time someone tries to get **** going at a red light.. I'm going to think of this thread and **** him up with some math.
 
jeffjones said:
My buddy had a 550HP prelude and it ran hi 11's/lo 12's.
unless you have seen it in person, I wouldn't believe it. Has he ran it on the track or just guesstimating what it can do?
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Exactly. I also had a friend that had a 525 hp supercharged Mustang with a racing transmission. His car would do 12 flat in London (he would go faster at that track than Cayuga) and do an 11.5 with his wider race tires on it and smoked up.

The 400 hp Civic driver is smoking crack and you can tell him to quit his lies right to his face.

Also, when comparing power to weight to a car you will want to add the rider weight into the mix as it's a far more significant impact than the drivers weight.
 
onecartel said:
Next time someone tries to get **** going at a red light.. I'm going to think of this thread and **** him up with some math.
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LOL. I dont understand why people are sitting here with their calculators trying to figure out which is faster based simply on two variables when the answer are already out there based on real world drag racing numbers.
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