Can taxpayers sue school board for breach of contract?

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mmmnaked said:
Making $90k with almost 60 working days off for summers and holidays sounds nice. And up till recently they also had 4 weeks worth of bankable sick days available. Not rich, but comfortable?
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Banking is ridiculous but 90k is at the top (Thats a masters or a specialist of some form and years and years in) end 56k is more the average.
 
Two50noob said:
Banking is ridiculous but 90k is at the top end 56k is more the average.
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From random article:

The public mood is decidedly against teachers, whose demands seem ludicrous in this age of austerity. They have a pretty sweet deal. In 2012, the average teacher salary in Ontario was $83,500, and the highest paid earned $95,000. Until Queen’s Park imposed a new contract, teachers were also guaranteed 20 sick days a year, which could be carried over each year, bankable up to 200 days. Most teachers cashed them in at retirement. The province would cut them a cheque for the value of their banked days, to a maximum of $46,000. Almost everyone got the maximum.

In addition, teachers had a salary grid with a five per cent annual raise for each of their first 10 years on the job. So a new teacher earning $39,000 would be making more than $60,000 within a decade. Who in 2013 gets bankable sick days and 10 years of guaranteed raises? Such terms, negotiated in fat times, seem fiscally reckless as Ontario faces down a $12-billion deficit.
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As a life-long career path, it's definitely been good. Making 40k to start, and only getting to 60 after a decade? Not so much. 5% annual increase isn't much. I'd say you're basically just keeping up with [real] inflation.
 
DO you also know that they only get paid for 9 months out of the 12 months of the year?
mmmnaked said:
I know a few teachers too, but never bothered asking for a detailed breakdown of their workload. They seem very busy, especially at key times during the year... but then they get a good chunk of time off in the summer, too. Averaged over a 12 month period, do they work more than 40-45 hr weeks? I'm guessing not.

Also, what were the contracts and various raises leading up to the current freeze? I understand being upset with not getting any cost-of-living wage increase for 2 years, but if that freeze is following large increases in years prior.... well, that's another story.
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BrownBrady said:
Guys, my apologies. It was insensitive of me for posting this thread. I didn't mean to offend anyone or start a flame war. I already got my answer on page 1. Mods please delete or lock this thread. Thanks.
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No way man we like our arguments on this site anyway no flame war yet no one has been insulted yet.
 
ZX600 said:
DO you also know that they only get paid for 9 months out of the 12 months of the year?
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So they collect EI for the other 2 or 3 or whatever it works out too?
 
mmmnaked said:
As a life-long career path, it's definitely been good. Making 40k to start, and only getting to 60 after a decade? Not so much. 5% annual increase isn't much. I'd say you're basically just keeping up with [real] inflation.
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Compare it with private sector employees with the same level of education tho. Those numbers have to be wrong to be the top level 80-90 is for teachers with A specialist is a relevant education area or a masters most don't have that and its tired you simply cant make that without one or the other another note is that some of the 90+ will be principles and vp's. The average is 56K.
 
No, they are deducted an amount on each pay check and that amount is used to pay them during the summer.
inreb said:
So they collect EI for the other 2 or 3 or whatever it works out too?
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ZX600 said:
DO you also know that they only get paid for 9 months out of the 12 months of the year?
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So the quoted annual average salary of $83,500 is based on NINE months? That's not helping your argument.

Or if the more realistic average is $56k as stated above, on 9 months? That's not helping, either. Number of school days: 197. Number of total available working days: 250. That leaves teachers with 50+ working days per year to make more money on the side. I'd do it.
 
Two50noob said:
thats not the average.
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Fine. 56k / 9 months is $6200... you're not rich but you're doing okay. Dental and health benefits must be pretty good, and you still have 50+ working days per year to shore up your accounts.
 
mmmnaked said:
Fine. 56k / 9 months is $6200... you're not rich but you're doing okay. Dental and health benefits must be pretty good, and you still have 50+ working days per year to shore up your accounts.
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You seem to be under the impression Im saying they are grossly underpaid i'm not. Don't forget taxes, Union dues and pension additions are on top of that

Take home closer to $40-45
 
mmmnaked said:
So the quoted annual average salary of $83,500 is based on NINE months? That's not helping your argument.

Or if the more realistic average is $56k as stated above, on 9 months? That's not helping, either. Number of school days: 197. Number of total available working days: 250. That leaves teachers with 50+ working days per year to make more money on the side. I'd do it.
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Go for it!
 
Schneller said:
Go for it!
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Find a teaching job? LOL

For something so under-appreciated and [supposedly] underpaid, the folks who already have positions CERTAINLY don't seem eager to abandon them. Food for thought.
 
Teaching is a very good carreer. You do well, but you know you'll never get rich. It is an honorable profession. I'm happy I did it.

When I first graduated, there was no work to be found as a teacher in the Kingston area. I went to Japan for a year to teach English. When I returned, I supply taught around Kingston and talked to administrators about job opps. None there, so I relocated to the GTA which had some growing boards. I supply taught there, including Keswick. Tough schools, tough kids. At the beginning of the afternoon, a student asked why I was still their teacher. I explained that I was booked for the whole day. The student said sure, but their other supply teachers don't come back after the morning. That principal offered me a full time job for the next year.
 
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Two50noob said:
You seem to be under the impression Im saying they are grossly underpaid i'm not. Don't forget taxes, Union dues and pension additions are on top of that

Take home closer to $40-45
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Everyone pays taxes, and many pay union dues and pensions, in many different industries... so I'm avoiding that in my number crunching.

$56k per year with 50 left-over working days to do with as you wish sounds like a decent gig. Not amazing, but not bad by any stretch. Marry another teacher (lotsa young hotties out there!!!) and you're sailin' :)
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