Yes and do you remember why they were striking
Can taxpayers sue school board for breach of contract?
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Yes and do you remember why they were striking
There are teachers on the sunshine list, most being principals and vps from the school boards, but unless I'm seeing things I just ran thru 3 (long) pages of them.
Www.ontario.ca. Public salary disclosure list.
Www.ontario.ca. Public salary disclosure list.
Quite a few VP's and Principles on it..Allot of them are *****
Yes I did go to school..and my parents paid for it with their property taxes....what's your point?
VP's and Principles, Teachers have a Cap under 100k. Unless that cap is only on the TSB, not sure.
The point is that public education benefits society as a whole.
So then your answer is yes, you value someone that can possibly save your life, some day .. maybe over someone that educates your kids. OK
I am not putting down cops or fireman, each has it's job and it is valuable (regardless of what I think about the police department) but people like you just don't have a clue of the amount of work teachers do, the amount of hours outside the '9 to 3:15" they put to help their kids. I am married to one so I know when I get home from my office job, she is still at school.
I am not putting down cops or fireman, each has it's job and it is valuable (regardless of what I think about the police department) but people like you just don't have a clue of the amount of work teachers do, the amount of hours outside the '9 to 3:15" they put to help their kids. I am married to one so I know when I get home from my office job, she is still at school.
I know a few teachers too, but never bothered asking for a detailed breakdown of their workload. They seem very busy, especially at key times during the year... but then they get a good chunk of time off in the summer, too. Averaged over a 12 month period, do they work more than 40-45 hr weeks? I'm guessing not.
Also, what were the contracts and various raises leading up to the current freeze? I understand being upset with not getting any cost-of-living wage increase for 2 years, but if that freeze is following large increases in years prior.... well, that's another story.
Also, what were the contracts and various raises leading up to the current freeze? I understand being upset with not getting any cost-of-living wage increase for 2 years, but if that freeze is following large increases in years prior.... well, that's another story.
Was also married to x-one if yours is anything like mine it was about 7 oclock on the quit nights when she stopped marking and planning not to mention the weekends and prep over the summer it used to annoy the **** out of me.
Also I disagree with the notions that teachers don't directly save lives. We put a **** tone of responsibility on teachers for recognizing cries for help and indications of domestic violence and abuse. Friend of mine has made 36 calls to CAS this year she teaches in a very low income area.
I know that that's why I noted that at the end of my second response....but in general terms when I see parents (family and friends included) bitching about getting value for their education tax... At least they are getting a direct service. While tax payers who don't haver kids are subsidizing someone elses kids eduction. And don't get me started on this all day junior kindegarden. Which is a glorified babysitter service that I am helping to pay for. So while parents are complaining about the teachers strike, don't forget about the rest of society that is supporting your decision to have kids.
You have to go back before Mike Harris and the Bob Rae days to find any pay increases above inflation in teacher salaries.
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I also have friends who are teachers and you are correct about all the extra hours they put in during the school year... but in the end it all balances itself out when they get 2-3 months off in the summer.
Depends on the teachers. Good ones spend a good portion of their summer reviewing and revising lesson plans not to mention class room prep 2-3 hours a night for marking plus prep work on the weekends and any extra curricular 4-45 work week was defiantly the average for the ones i know.
That they spend allot of time re-working lessons plans to fit new curriculums or just revising for the sake of making them work better. Additionally outside of the holidays they cant take that time outside of that 2-3 or its an unpaid leave.
I'll come clean here and fess up to being a retired elementary school teacher. Anyone who thinks teachers have it easy should give it a try for themselves. Yes, there is deadwood there but very few. Hard-working teachers would love to see those get the boot, but it's not their call. If you're conscientious and want to like what you see in the mirror every morning, it's not the easy job which some who don't know better, believe. And to those people I ask, why didn't you go into teaching if it's so easy? They are always looking for excellent teachers even though there is a glut of candidates. The best will find a job.
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A lot of people wanted to get into teaching but can't find jobs... which speaks to the fact that employed teachers, no matter how much complaining happens, really wanna hang onto their positions.
By numbers alone, it seems like a good career choice. Making $90k with almost 60 working days off for summers and holidays sounds nice. And up till recently they also had 4 weeks worth of bankable sick days available. Not rich, but comfortable?
If I was a teacher, I'd work within the confines of the system. I certainly wouldn't be doing any work on my own time. This may sound selfish or unreasonable, but its a system we all set up for our teachers, based on the money the government deems it can spend.
By numbers alone, it seems like a good career choice. Making $90k with almost 60 working days off for summers and holidays sounds nice. And up till recently they also had 4 weeks worth of bankable sick days available. Not rich, but comfortable?
If I was a teacher, I'd work within the confines of the system. I certainly wouldn't be doing any work on my own time. This may sound selfish or unreasonable, but its a system we all set up for our teachers, based on the money the government deems it can spend.
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Thats not true and you know it. A meritocracy the union aint i'm defiantly pro teacher and thing they should be way better compensated as a general rule but its the time-in union system that keeps the dead wood around. The union is part of this problem itself and needs to be massively reformed.
