Call to legalize lane splitting/filtering

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The whole world can filter except us and the states? This is news.....

Too many entitled people here who own the road. Unlike Europe they can't even get the keep right unless passing portion of driving right and you'd have us filter through the same retards? I'll take a pass on that.
 
Roomie said:
The whole world can filter except us and the states? This is news.....

Too many entitled people here who own the road. Unlike Europe they can't even get the keep right unless passing portion of driving right and you'd have us filter through the same retards? I'll take a pass on that.
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News or not news, it's pretty much true.

And let's not only think Europe here.. There is Bangladesh, Iraq, Kenya, Turkey, etc. People get their driver's licences from their local butchers in these countries, yet everyone still cooperates to accommodate the filtering motorcyclists.

So, it's not about licensing or training. It's about adaptation.
 
Ugur Dinch said:
And let's not only think Europe here.. There is Bangladesh, Iraq, Kenya, Turkey, etc. People get their driver's licences from their local butchers in these countries, yet everyone still cooperates to accommodate the filtering motorcyclists.
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You can't really compare to some of those places (like Bangladesh) -- Yes they ride with no gear or helmets, sometimes way above capacity (eg. 4 people on a bike), but if you also look at the numbers they see a TON more accidents every year. I remember watching 'Don't drive here' on Discovery and it wasn't uncommon for taxi drivers to say they'd personally see 100 fatalities in a year.

I'd support filtering but not splitting -- In a perfect world both are fine, but given our driver's sense of entitlement here it would only be a matter of time before the accidents start building up, either from riders trying to split at 200+, or driver's trying to take rides out either on accident or on purpose. Just yesterday I got stuck behind someone doing 90km/h on the 401 (in my car), and went I went to go around him he brake-checked me the second I put my signals on (car in front of him was maybe 30 car lengths away).
 
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Apparently all the fellows with 15 minutes of riding experience know so much more than those of us with decades of experience. This would NEVER happen here..lmao

As one poster wisely pointed out everyone likes to use Cali as the shining example. There are still riders there hurt and killed doing this. Also there are bikes on the road there, (a crap lot more than here in Ontario), year round and this practice has been in place there for a very long time meaning people are more used to it. Look at how many crashes we had at the beginning of the season as cagers simply forget about bikes here over the winter months. The MTO puts up on signs at the start of season to watch for bikes yet we still have a LOT more crashes at the start of every season.

The population in Cali also isn't nearly as diverse as it is here in the GTA. We have a lot of people who arrive in Canada and get a driver's licence within weeks if not days.

An extensive, (read EXPENSIVE), government funded education program would be required. We all know how well these "education" programs work... look at using cell phones while driving, that is a shining example of how well these programs work. People have now, within a matter of several years now, ALL stopped using there phones and texting while driving right??

I witnessed a bike while in my cage two days ago riding north on Yonge. The light was red so he choose to move into the cutout for the bus on the right when the light changed he shot backinto the right lane cutting off the car, (which was trying to accelerate to prevent his merge). They then both raced to the next light when they got out. I didn't stick around to see how it was resolved. I calmly drove by in my cage, leaving them both sitting there arguing. I ended up arrivi8ng at my destination and had time to exit my car pick up my stuff and was pulling out from my stop when the bike rode past. Now he saved a LOT of time on that one didn't he??? LOL Now what he did wasn't lane splitting or filtering it was completely illegal. The cager was an idiot for trying to cut him off as well. So in this case we have two "self entitled" fools trying to show that their time is sooo much more valuable then everyone else on that road at that time. Making this practice legal isn't going to make those attitudes go away.

As for the argument that lane splitting/filtering is a "safety" issue whioch would prevent rear end collisions then let's look att he shining example of Cali. Bikes still get rear ended there and the practice is legal so in theory not one motorcycle should ever be rear ended in Cali? It would be interesting to prove/disprove this factor by comparing the number or rear end motorcycle crashes between the two. We can't compare the number of crashes that occur when lane splitting/filteri9ng
 
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nomad_man said:
Let's take this thread back on track.

How does OP suggest we help with the process?
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My understanding of how social change works in the context of the Canadian political system leads me to believe that the following will result in the legalization of lane splitting and filtering in Ontario:

Step 1: Lane split and filter. Don't be an *** about it. Apologize by default as any Canadian would. However the only way to make change is to lead change by doing said change. However, as a leader, recognize you are in the spotlight, you will be subject to greater scrutiny, and whether you like it or not you are a model for others, good or bad.

Step 2: Be political about it. Encourage everyone you know to lane split and filter. Tell every politician you see that it should be legalized both for smart reasons but also because everyone is now doing it. Seek out any opportunity to engage the media, social or otherwise, when it comes to changing public opinion on this issue.

Step 3: Fight any ticket in court. Be polite to any officer regardless of how unprofessional they may behave. There is room to make the argument that lane filtering and splitting is both safer and better for society as a whole. Winning the judiciary to our side is as important as winning the political class, however this will only happen if brave riders make the change before given permission to do so.

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hedo2002 said:
Apparently all the fellows with 15 minutes of riding experience know so much more than those of us with decades of experience. This would NEVER happen here..lmao

As one poster wisely pointed out everyone likes to use Cali as the shining example. There are still riders there hurt and killed doing this. Also there are bikes on the road there, (a crap lot more than here in Ontario), year round and this practice has been in place there for a very long time meaning people are more used to it. Look at how many crashes we had at the beginning of the season as cagers simply forget about bikes here over the winter months. The MTO puts up on signs at the start of season to watch for bikes yet we still have a LOT more crashes at the start of every season.

The population in Cali also isn't nearly as diverse as it is here in the GTA. We have a lot of people who arrive in Canada and get a driver's licence within weeks if not days.

An extensive, (read EXPENSIVE), government funded education program would be required. We all know how well these "education" programs work... look at using cell phones while driving, that is a shining example of how well these programs work. People have now, within a matter of several years now, ALL stopped using there phones and texting while driving right??

I witnessed a bike while in my cage two days ago riding north on Yonge. The light was red so he choose to move into the cutout for the bus on the right when the light changed he shot backinto the right lane cutting off the car, (which was trying to accelerate to prevent his merge). They then both raced to the next light when they got out. I didn't stick around to see how it was resolved. I calmly drove by in my cage, leaving them both sitting there arguing. I ended up arrivi8ng at my destination and had time to exit my car pick up my stuff and was pulling out from my stop when the bike rode past. Now he saved a LOT of time on that one didn't he??? LOL Now what he did wasn't lane splitting or filtering it was completely illegal. The cager was an idiot for trying to cut him off as well. So in this case we have two "self entitled" fools trying to show that their time is sooo much more valuable then everyone else on that road at that time. Making this practice legal isn't going to make those attitudes go away.

As for the argument that lane splitting/filtering is a "safety" issue whioch would prevent rear end collisions then let's look att he shining example of Cali. Bikes still get rear ended there and the practice is legal so in theory not one motorcycle should ever be rear ended in Cali? It would be interesting to prove/disprove this factor by comparing the number or rear end motorcycle crashes between the two. We can't compare the number of crashes that occur when lane splitting/filteri9ng
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You can't argue against the validity of a proven system (filtering) by bringing up the "we're not used to it" argument. We will get used to it. Retarded riders/drivers are everywhere. Self entitled pr*cks who feel the need to "police" and block riders will back off once they have no legal basis. Remember, once society accepts something it becomes the norm, no matter how crazy it may seem. And, as someone here said, if it's legal doesn't mean you have to do it. If you don't want to filter, don't filter, but let me do it when I choose to. Dumbasses who lane split at 150km/hr will do it no matter what.
Let me move to the front of the line safely without being a potential cash grab for a cop who had a bad day.
 
hedo2002 said:
Apparently all the fellows with 15 minutes of riding experience know so much more than those of us with decades of experience. This would NEVER happen here..lmao
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15mins of total experience + fresh thinking seems to be the winner indeed.
Also, are you more experienced than Joris van Voorn in Netherlands ? I didn't think so... He filters.

As one poster wisely pointed out everyone likes to use Cali as the shining example. There are still riders there hurt and killed doing this. Also there are bikes on the road there, (a crap lot more than here in Ontario), year round and this practice has been in place there for a very long time meaning people are more used to it. Look at how many crashes we had at the beginning of the season as cagers simply forget about bikes here over the winter months. The MTO puts up on signs at the start of season to watch for bikes yet we still have a LOT more crashes at the start of every season.
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So, beginning of season crashes must have nothing to do with rusty riders, rusty (new to the owner) bikes, tires in rusty condition on those new bikes, NEW riders without training, cold weather/tires, first ride of season with too much hype...

The population in Cali also isn't nearly as diverse as it is here in the GTA. We have a lot of people who arrive in Canada and get a driver's licence within weeks if not days.
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In some places I've been, students who gain admission to university is awarded with a car (read: gun) by their parents, regardless of skill/training. They manage to survive and let survive. So will Ontario.
There is this non-sense idea of Ontario has the worst drivers.. That's not true. Not even close.

An extensive, (read EXPENSIVE), government funded education program would be required. We all know how well these "education" programs work... look at using cell phones while driving, that is a shining example of how well these programs work. People have now, within a matter of several years now, ALL stopped using there phones and texting while driving right??
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Not necessarily.
If filtering is allowed, people will adapt. Those, who can't adapt, will be removed from the gene pool (read: license suspension). And those, who abuse it, will also be removed to the nearest graveyard.
Either way, in a very short amount of time, you'd see a lane within a lane, left open for motorcycles.
Also, in The 3rd World, people wish that the only problem in traffic was texting & driving.

I witnessed a bike while in my cage two days ago riding north on Yonge. The light was red so he choose to move into the cutout for the bus on the right when the light changed he shot backinto the right lane cutting off the car, (which was trying to accelerate to prevent his merge). They then both raced to the next light when they got out. I didn't stick around to see how it was resolved. I calmly drove by in my cage, leaving them both sitting there arguing. I ended up arrivi8ng at my destination and had time to exit my car pick up my stuff and was pulling out from my stop when the bike rode past. Now he saved a LOT of time on that one didn't he??? LOL Now what he did wasn't lane splitting or filtering it was completely illegal. The cager was an idiot for trying to cut him off as well. So in this case we have two "self entitled" fools trying to show that their time is sooo much more valuable then everyone else on that road at that time. Making this practice legal isn't going to make those attitudes go away.
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As for the argument that lane splitting/filtering is a "safety" issue whioch would prevent rear end collisions then let's look att he shining example of Cali. Bikes still get rear ended there and the practice is legal so in theory not one motorcycle should ever be rear ended in Cali? It would be interesting to prove/disprove this factor by comparing the number or rear end motorcycle crashes between the two. We can't compare the number of crashes that occur when lane splitting/filteri9ng
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Not everyone in Cali filters.. i.e Goldwings.
And not everyone in Cali filters at all times.
And you don't need filtering/unfiltering to rear-end someone. Just add +5km/h to the rider's pace on the highway as the driver behind and you have a collision.

I personally was too stupid not to filter here before and:
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?171088-Got-rear-ended
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?173794-Got-rear-ended-2-0
 
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If filtering means when your at a stop, the bikes filter through the cars to the front, and then go. I'm all for it. That’s what I thought filtering is. Am I wrong? Anything at speed would be lane splitting, which I think would be a bad idea.

GOOGLE.

"Alternatively, lane splitting has been used to describe moving through traffic that is in motion while filtering is used to describe moving through traffic that is stopped.[SUP][5][6][/SUP]" I agree with this filtering, and not lane splitting.

This will never be made legal here. We will have better luck fighting to not have to wear a helmet, which I don't agree with but hey its your life. I think eye protection should be mandatory, as a helmet will help you, and only you, and eye protection could potentially stop you from slamming into a mini van and killing children. Full face ! (WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!)
 
kcalB said:
If filtering means when your at a stop, the bikes filter through the cars to the front, and then go. I'm all for it. That’s what I thought filtering is. Am I wrong? Anything at speed would be lane splitting, which I think would be a bad idea.

GOOGLE.

"Alternatively, lane splitting has been used to describe moving through traffic that is in motion while filtering is used to describe moving through traffic that is stopped.[SUP][5][6][/SUP]" I agree with this filtering, and not lane splitting.

This will never be made legal here. We will have better luck fighting to not have to wear a helmet, which I don't agree with but hey its your life. I think eye protection should be mandatory, as a helmet will help you, and only you, and eye protection could potentially stop you from slamming into a mini van and killing children. Full face ! (WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!)
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Filtering:
[video=youtube;c2WgLYenN2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WgLYenN2A[/video]
 
kcalB said:
If filtering means when your at a stop, the bikes filter through the cars to the front, and then go. I'm all for it. That’s what I thought filtering is. Am I wrong? Anything at speed would be lane splitting, which I think would be a bad idea.

GOOGLE.

"Alternatively, lane splitting has been used to describe moving through traffic that is in motion while filtering is used to describe moving through traffic that is stopped.[SUP][5][6][/SUP]" I agree with this filtering, and not lane splitting.

This will never be made legal here. We will have better luck fighting to not have to wear a helmet, which I don't agree with but hey its your life. I think eye protection should be mandatory, as a helmet will help you, and only you, and eye protection could potentially stop you from slamming into a mini van and killing children. Full face ! (WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!)
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yeah trying to go between vehicles especially at highway speeds is just asking for trouble, especially in the event of emergency braking. Filtering in stopped traffic only seems logical considering how easy it is for a motorcycle to move through the widened gap unless you get a dick who tries to switch lanes or cut into a lane without signaling which I see SUVs often do.
 
Ugur Dinch said:
Filtering:
[video=youtube;c2WgLYenN2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2WgLYenN2A[/video]
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Lol @ 7:30, did the cruiser rider yell out "stupid!"?
 
So... Understand filtering and lane splitting. But is it legal/recommended to use the left side of a lane when cars are parked on the right? (two lanes, with one providing parking after peak times)

Example being Bayview Avenue south of Eglington.

I was sat in traffic (on my bike) Wednesday night, when another bike done the above moving north on Bayview. As I was unsure as to the legality of it (and safety) I sat in the traffic.

Whats the law of the land for that one?
 
Stevo said:
So... Understand filtering and lane splitting. But is it legal/recommended to use the left side of a lane when cars are parked on the right? (two lanes, with one providing parking after peak times)

Example being Bayview Avenue south of Eglington.

I was sat in traffic (on my bike) Wednesday night, when another bike done the above moving north on Bayview. As I was unsure as to the legality of it (and safety) I sat in the traffic.

Whats the law of the land for that one?
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Been discussed to death and has been determined to be legal IF the lane is a live lane with parking. If it is a parking lane it's a no-no.
 
Ugur Dinch said:
Bayview and Egg is a little on the tighter side, FYI. Not as much space as downtown to filter.
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It's not so bad I do it daily. Just have to be extra careful because of volumn of pedestrians that j-walk.
 
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