Call to legalize lane splitting/filtering

Not really lane splitting but 2 days ago I saw a guy trying to cut in front of a gravel truck coming up to a red light that turned green and across the intersection changes to 1 lane after 2 meters with a square curb. The guy just barely made it. As mentioned above, I also feel new riders will be a problem.
 
There's already enough people dying and getting hurt over here on bikes. Lane splitting is stupid. All it takes is one car to change lanes without looking.

ya I understand when cars are at a dead stop and it seems safe to do, but too many people would ruin it for the rest of the people.
 
This is already the law in Ontario, ask any cyclist. If you open the door without looking first, you are at fault.

I know it applies to cyclists but I thought riding a motorcycle in the parked car lane (sharing with the stopped cars) is legal but if anything happens to you (including door prize), it's your own fault. I'm probably wrong because it seems silly that cyclists would have different rules than motorcyclists but there are some differences (like we can't use the bike lane at all) and I've always read sharing with the parked cars is kind of a gamble.

I agree that it wouldn't work in Toronto simply because riders would take advantage of it and do stupid **** (it's not even legal now and it still happens) and the drivers are too terrible (hardly anyone checks mirrors or if they do, even cares if there's another vehicle there).
 
Can you please stop with the common sense. That **** isn't allowed on gtam

As someone who lives where splitting and filtering is legal - you two are mistaken, riding on the right side is ANYTHING but safer than filtering and lane sharing properly.

BTW in my month long visit to SW-Ontario (including some time in the GTA and even downtown) I have been splitting and filtering safely without any drivers raging out on me.

Think about it - what pisses drivers off more...someone who filters past and then rapidly accelerates and is out of the way? Or chromed up cruiser ********** going bang on the speed limit not allowing anyone to pass, because they're being "safe"...
 
There's already enough people dying and getting hurt over here on bikes. Lane splitting is stupid. All it takes is one car to change lanes without looking.

ya I understand when cars are at a dead stop and it seems safe to do, but too many people would ruin it for the rest of the people.

No, because you are scared to do it does not make it stupid.

In the age of drivers texting, you are safer to filter through and be gone, than to sit in a mass of cars, or behind a mass of cars waiting to be rear-ended.

Motorcyclists in this province are their own worst enemy sometimes when it comes to common-sense filtering laws...we do it in California without issue.

What's stupid is people talking about others opening a door...first of all, people don't really see you until you go past when you're filtering, and secondly you should be doing it slowly enough that you can stop if someone opens a door anyway.
 
Oooh a month of Ontario experience. Guess you've seen it all while visiting. Hate to give you bad news but you have no idea. While the idea itself isn't bad, there are far too many ******* drivers and riders here for it to ever happen. Drive here for a few years and you'll see.
 
Oooh a month of Ontario experience. Guess you've seen it all while visiting. Hate to give you bad news but you have no idea. While the idea itself isn't bad, there are far too many ******* drivers and riders here for it to ever happen. Drive here for a few years and you'll see.

In my intro thread I explained that I grew up here...obviously I don't know your level of driving experience, but I've put on a few hundred thousand KMs in this province, I only moved away a couple of years ago.

I've ridden 50,000 miles in California, and about 3500km here, and I can tell you roads here are wider and better for filtering and lane sharing, and drivers are not any meaner than anywhere else.

You can either benefit from my experience, or continue to be ignorant, but at least do the other riders in ONT a favor and keep your erroneous "lane sharing is unsafe" opinions to yourself.
 
It is unsafe for most people and there are far too many idiots here who are allowed to drive. Debate all you like. There's a reason it's not allowed here. Do I think it is a good idea? Sure. Do I think the majority of people who ride could handle it? No. I've lived all over the country and in the states as well and been driving since 94. Onterrible has the worst drivers in Canada. Period.
 
In my intro thread I explained that I grew up here...obviously I don't know your level of driving experience, but I've put on a few hundred thousand KMs in this province, I only moved away a couple of years ago.

I've ridden 50,000 miles in California, and about 3500km here, and I can tell you roads here are wider and better for filtering and lane sharing, and drivers are not any meaner than anywhere else.

You can either benefit from my experience, or continue to be ignorant, but at least do the other riders in ONT a favor and keep your erroneous "lane sharing is unsafe" opinions to yourself.

My brother got knocked off his bike in the UK where filtering is legal while he was filtering. The driver was pre occupied with something else and changed lanes without looking I'd argue that drivers here are worse than those in the UK and use of cellphones, texting etc while driving is more prevalent plus they aren't used to filtering or even really sharing the road with any vehicle other than cars. I could filter but choose not to do so as I really don't trust anyone around me in a car right now. Not while the test is a joke and people don't take driving seriously enough.
 
We can't even get the speed limit increased to a reasonable 110 there's not a hope in hell lane splitting etc is going to happen.
 
I have to laugh at some of the suggestions. While it seems logical. to say if traffic is moving at X then you can filter at Y. So how does your speed get measured? Cops can't stand in traffic waiting for a bike to filter along to radar him. If the rider is exceeding the Y factor how do the cops ticket him? Unless they too are on a bike. Not saying it wasn't a good idea, just the logistics of it weren't thought all the way through.

Now we KNOW there will be those who will abuse it. Look at the youtube videos of that guy in Brazil filtering at well over 100. There will be those here who THINK they are a good enough rider to do it. I don't want to sit for another 4 hours on the 401 while they scrape the broken body off the highway.

I agree there are too many aggressive and unsafe drivers here to make it a viable option. Think of those who pull into the on ramp of the highways from the right lane so they can jump the line. Then think of how many times you have seen people from the right lane swerve in front of them trying to "police" the lanes themselves. These are the same people who would "police" filtering bikes.

I chuckle when I see all this talk of how filtering will avoid rear end collisions. Not sure how or where you guys all ride, but in my 35 years of riding and almost 40 of driving I have only been rear ended once, (in my cage), by a woman who was on prescription drugs while driving. Now do bikers get rear ended? Sure but it isn't going to stop once filtering is permitted.

While he wasn't filtering think of the guy on Yonge a few weeks ago who couldn't be seen by the SUV, and got clipped. If filtering was permitted we would likely see a spike in collisions. If filtering were legalized tomorrow and education program for cagers would be needed. Now form those old enough how long did it take when seatbelts became mandatory for the public "education" to catch on and the majority to do it??? Decades. How long have we been "educating" drivers of the risks of drinking and driving yet many people still do it. Lastly, look at cell phone use it has been a few years, and TONS of education yet MOST still do it.

I think it will be years if not decades before attitudes changed enough to permit me to filter, and think it was remotely safer.

One poster spoke of his experiece and how you should be going slow enough to avoid a cager that opens their door, but is concerned about being rear ended. Well news flash if the traffic is going that slow then a rear end collision would be VERY minor, (I am talking of stop and go traffic).
 
There is no way. The politicians want us all to suffer grid lock equally or take public transit. Anything else requires too much thought.....
 
I have to laugh at some of the suggestions.

your ignorance has comedic value, but certainly doesn't add weight to your opinions.

I chuckle when I see all this talk of how filtering will avoid rear end collisions. Not sure how or where you guys all ride, but in my 35 years of riding and almost 40 of driving I have only been rear ended once, (in my cage), by a woman who was on prescription drugs while driving. Now do bikers get rear ended? Sure but it isn't going to stop once filtering is permitted.

I've been riding and driving where filtering and sharing is legal. Haven't you ever been almost rear ended by someone who didn't notice traffic had slowed to a crawl?

One poster spoke of his experiece and how you should be going slow enough to avoid a cager that opens their door, but is concerned about being rear ended. Well news flash if the traffic is going that slow then a rear end collision would be VERY minor, (I am talking of stop and go traffic).

No.

See above.

This thread just shows that ignorant lawmakers aren't the problem, but rather people who think they know what's safe, when they don't do any research and haven't ridden in places where filtering and sharing is legal.

Hey, have fun with that, I'll be enjoying the sun and not being a part of traffic jams in another few days, so...


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Guys, people aren't "aggressive" here, they're passive aggressive. Speeding up slightly when we are passing, etc... EVERY driver that has to sit in ******** rushhour traffic will get angry, and if you do something to piss them off, they may take it out on you...but that is the same EVERYWHERE in the world.

I see posts here saying Ontario drivers are in some way more aggressive than in other places? This is not the case, I can assure you. People in Los Angeles are much more in a hurry and much less tolerant of being held up. Some of the cruiser groups I've seen here that go 80km/h in an 80 zone and seemingly can barely keep their bikes upright, not letting cars pass, would get shot up or run over ;)
 
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I love how the mentality here is that we should all lower ourselves to the common denominator and just suck it up (or worse, believe that's the proper way to go).
Legalizing filtering will cause drivers who want to "police" riders to back off, since they no longer have any legal base. Seeing how bikes go to the front of the line will cause a lot of drivers to take up riding, further causing traffic relief. Drivers will get used to it, give people some credit, not everyone is a moron.
In civilized cities (i.e. Barcelona), they have special boxes on pavement with the word "MOTO", where all the bikes go to the front of the line. For some "weird" reason cars are ok with it. Now how's that for traffic relief? Nooo, we have to spend billions here with silly "studies" while nothing is actually being done (look at LRT vs Subway debate).
 
This thread just shows that ignorant lawmakers aren't the problem, but rather people who think they know what's safe, when they don't do any research and haven't ridden in places where filtering and sharing is legal.

Hey, have fun with that, I'll be enjoying the sun and not being a part of traffic jams in another few days, so...


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I see posts here saying Ontario drivers are in some way more aggressive than in other places? This is not the case, I can assure you.

You reply just shows you're clearly an expert rider :rolleyes:

It's never going to happen here. Lots of us have almost been smoked many times by more than a possible rear end collision that's avoidable by filtering. There are self entitled morons everywhere who pay little to o attention AT ANY TIME.

Now I can assure you that I've lived in 3 provinces and been to every major city repeatedly in Canada and southern Ontario has the worst drivers of them all bar none. So enjoy your stay expert. Let us know how cops feel about your filtering when you get caught and I hope that's all that happens to you. Cagers rage all the time. Good luck.
 
I have to laugh at some of the suggestions. While it seems logical. to say if traffic is moving at X then you can filter at Y. So how does your speed get measured? Cops can't stand in traffic waiting for a bike to filter along to radar him. If the rider is exceeding the Y factor how do the cops ticket him? Unless they too are on a bike. Not saying it wasn't a good idea, just the logistics of it weren't thought all the way through.

Now we KNOW there will be those who will abuse it. Look at the youtube videos of that guy in Brazil filtering at well over 100. There will be those here who THINK they are a good enough rider to do it. I don't want to sit for another 4 hours on the 401 while they scrape the broken body off the highway.

I agree there are too many aggressive and unsafe drivers here to make it a viable option. Think of those who pull into the on ramp of the highways from the right lane so they can jump the line. Then think of how many times you have seen people from the right lane swerve in front of them trying to "police" the lanes themselves. These are the same people who would "police" filtering bikes.

I chuckle when I see all this talk of how filtering will avoid rear end collisions. Not sure how or where you guys all ride, but in my 35 years of riding and almost 40 of driving I have only been rear ended once, (in my cage), by a woman who was on prescription drugs while driving. Now do bikers get rear ended? Sure but it isn't going to stop once filtering is permitted.

While he wasn't filtering think of the guy on Yonge a few weeks ago who couldn't be seen by the SUV, and got clipped. If filtering was permitted we would likely see a spike in collisions. If filtering were legalized tomorrow and education program for cagers would be needed. Now form those old enough how long did it take when seatbelts became mandatory for the public "education" to catch on and the majority to do it??? Decades. How long have we been "educating" drivers of the risks of drinking and driving yet many people still do it. Lastly, look at cell phone use it has been a few years, and TONS of education yet MOST still do it.

I think it will be years if not decades before attitudes changed enough to permit me to filter, and think it was remotely safer.

One poster spoke of his experiece and how you should be going slow enough to avoid a cager that opens their door, but is concerned about being rear ended. Well news flash if the traffic is going that slow then a rear end collision would be VERY minor, (I am talking of stop and go traffic).

You might want to look at some scholarly studies done with regards to splitting. A large portion of what you've written is completely wrong.
 
Lane splitting is big in Los Angeles. I rented a car there and was totally unprepared for the number of riders that would suddenly shoot up the side of the car. I can't imagine that working here with the number of drivers who impulsively change lanes without signaling or checking their blind spot. The thing is, they're moving so fast sometimes that you don't see them coming.
 
Now I can assure you that I've lived in 3 provinces and been to every major city repeatedly in Canada and southern Ontario has the worst drivers of them all bar none. So enjoy your stay expert. Let us know how cops feel about your filtering when you get caught and I hope that's all that happens to you. Cagers rage all the time. Good luck.

Well, let's get realistic, no other city in Canada has the population density of the GTA, and the density of cars on the roads.

Residents of Nova Scotia may be pleased to learn their province has the lowest collision frequency of the provinces studied at 4.45 per cent. However, the other provinces in the study improved within a 24-month period while Nova Scotia's collision frequency increased by 1.8 per cent. After Nova Scotia, the provinces ranked, from lowest collision rate to highest, New Brunswick (4.73 per cent), followed by Ontario (4.99 per cent) and Alberta (5.20 per cent).

http://ca.autoblog.com/2013/11/29/w...treal-drivers-traffic-rush-hour-report-study/

Alberta has a long standing record of worst drivers in Canada.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/albertans-among-worst-drivers-in-canada-poll-suggests-1.1285209

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other factoids, fatalities are down 50% over the last 30 years, and from 200 to 2004, Ontario has the lowest traffic fatality rates in Canada, below national average.

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...tbOZ8AtaJWmKrIasw&sig2=vOk_YDihwAMkaxMtIR3cfA

The problem with lane splitting as a new rule in Ontario is that it would require and expensive PSA campaign, and it would take days before some squid on a giixxer would try it at 100km/hr.

I've got enough experience to conclude there are bad drivers and bad riders in Ontario, and tragedy happens when the two meet up. But as far as camping against the "cagers", we need to clean up our acts when the largest proportion of accidents comes from motorcycle loss of control.
 
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Don't think that will ever happen unless they change the licensing system. I can say in hindsight that if I started on a 600 and went on a group ride with no one telling me "ride at your own pace cause we will go fast through corners", I would have crashed very hard.
 
If we legalize lane splitting only for M riders. And force m1 and m2 to ride with an L plate, then maybe


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