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Not that I advocate the small penis loudness level pipes (that should be clear from my previous posts) but someone with slightly louder than stock pipes (or stock that still fails the faulty test procedure) could rig up neutral rev limiter. Basically when the bike is in neutral it will not rev past 2 or 3000 RPM.

An even better solution is a hidden valet switch. Flick it on and the bike will not pass 3000 RPM period.

Either-way as long as the pipes are not stupid loud (small penis loud) this may foil the test. The cop "may" know something is up but it is not your fault your bike seems to not be revving... must be a computer fault, I need to take it to the dealer, or maybe the cop just broke something... What the hell did you just do to my bike!

Get pulled over, flick the switch.
 
Outside of the city I do not hear loud pipes until the bike is passing me. Makes sense as the sound waves are moving away from me.

Inner city riding is different as the sound bounces off all of the buildings. But this sound is just non-directional noise. All I know is that I hear something loud. Being a motorcyclist I understand it is a bike. I suspect non motorcyclists have no idea and this noise does nothing to prevent them from doing stupid things.

Loud pipes save lives is equal to full face helmets cause neck injuries. I'm sure that each one is true every once in a long while. Over time both are statistical non events...


AGAVE said:
I'm not gonna go so far as to claim "loud pipes save lives", but they do help avoid many inner city incidents, such as those clueless deaf, dumb and blind drivers that say they didn't us.

Whoever says they can't hear a loud bike until it passes is deaf for sure.
I can easily hear harleys and sportbikes, at least 4-5 cars back on the highway before i see them, even with the radio on and the manly rumble of my subaru motor.

If they weren't loud, people wouldn't be complaining.
The bigger problem is the idiot operating the throttle.
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AGAVE said:
Let me toss a couple questions into this mess.

My bike has no tachometer, how will they accuratly measure the engines rpms for the test?

I wouldn't let anyone sit in my car and rev the motor, certainly not my bike.
Let's assume i have stock pipes and i know it would pass the test. what if i refuse to let them touch it?
Can i ask to have it tested by a mechanic instead?

What if the bike should pass, but they botch the test somehow :roll: and write up a ticket?
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For the amount of money that I've heard they are spending on instrumentation, they ought to be able to include a device called a "sirometer" which analyzes the vibration frequencies and calculates the engine RPM from that.

And if you suspect that they are going to botch the test ... Do you have a cell phone, blackberry, iphone, or other device with video capability? Record the test as it's being done. Don't forget to double check for yourself the distance and angle of the microphone from the exhaust pipe, because if one wants to "influence" the results, that's the easiest way to do it.
 
ddusseld said:
Outside of the city I do not hear loud pipes until the bike is passing me. Makes sense as the sound waves are moving away from me.

Inner city riding is different as the sound bounces off all of the buildings. But this sound is just non-directional noise. All I know is that I hear something loud. Being a motorcyclist I understand it is a bike. I suspect non motorcyclists have no idea and this noise does nothing to prevent them from doing stupid things.

Loud pipes save lives is equal to full face helmets cause neck injuries. I'm sure that each one is true every once in a long while. Over time both are statistical non events...
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That is what the loud bike saves lives crowd does not get (science). Although some sound will be heard the majority of it is going backwards and needs to reflect off something to be sent forward (in any volume). Intake noise on the otherhand is usually directed forward (depends on the bike).

Loud intakes saves lives, loud pipe pissoff people.
 
Brian P said:
For the amount of money that I've heard they are spending on instrumentation, they ought to be able to include a device called a "sirometer" which analyzes the vibration frequencies and calculates the engine RPM from that.
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That's exactly what they use to test off road bikes for enduros and general trail riding. There's a 96 db limit in the Ganaraska forest and it is strictly enforced.
 
Sitting here at the Forks and noticed a straight piper tiptoeing through clearly trying to keep the noise way down.
Seems the pressure is having some effect.
Cool looking very lean chopper. Clean lines.
 
This is pasted from the minutes of todays meeting...

The proposed by-law does not change the provisions of the Highway Traffic Act.
However, because the Highway Traffic Act does not contain a test to determine "unnecessary noise", the by-law adopts the test developed by the Society of Automotive Engineers.

The by-law supplements the Highway Traffic Act by establishing an objective test for measuring motorcycle noise.

The proposed by-law makes testing simple, economical and consistent.
By the use of relatively inexpensive testing equipment, police and by-law enforcement officers are given a clear threshold for noise measured in decibels (dB(A)).

The limit at idle for all motorcycles is 92 dB(A).
Additionally, the above idle-limits are 96 dB(A) at 2000 RPM for one, two, five and six cylinder motorcycles and 100 dB(A) at 5000 RPM for three and four cylinder motorcycles.

[This standard is a revision from the standard proposed in the first and second reading of the by-law.]

It is staff’s opinion that a standard that most closely complies with the SAE J2825 standard should be incorporated in the proposed by-law.

The by-law provides for enforcement activities to be carried out jointly by members of Caledon OPP and Town of Caledon By-law Enforcement Officers.
OPP officers would stop motorcycles suspected of being excessively loud and By-law Enforcement Officers would conduct the roadside sound tests.
Officers would be equipped with sound measuring devices similar to those demonstrated to Council by Mr. Luc Fournier on July 6, 2010.

Under the by-law, refusal to submit a motorcycle for testing when requested by an OPP officer constitutes an offence.

Penalties under the by-law would be an out of court set fine of $150.00 for a certificate of offence issued during a roadside stop.

If the person to whom the offence notice is issued elects to have a trial, the set fine would no longer apply and the prosecutor has discretion to request a maximum penalty of $1000.00 upon conviction.

Officers also have the option of laying a Part III Information under the Provincial Offences Act where a situation arises concerning a persistent offender under the by-law.
The maximum fine for charges laid under Part III is $5000.00.
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The proposed by-law will become effective on June 1, 2011.
This is to allow adequate time for budget preparation, training of OPP and By-law Enforcement Officers and for public education.[/FONT]

 
Gotta love some of the semi-literate squeals of outrage from some of the new and apparently mouth-breathing neanderthals to the forum who seem to think that it's their God given constitutional right to annoy the ever living piss out of their fellow man with their audible penis extenders. Welcome, and bravo. More tools for the flaming, i say.

I have yet to be pulled over with my 10 y/o full Hindle 'street' exhaust that blew it's packing out about 60,000 km ago. It will scream if i wind it out over 5,000 rpm. Do i take it over 5,000 rpm? very rarely. It's not how big sounding your 'tool' is, it's how you use it in my opinion.

The 'loud pipes save lives' schtick is just a load of bollocks. Loud pipes don't save lives, situational awareness does. If you are getting cut off on a routine basis, either trade in that penis extension for a nice, safe Schwinn so you can play on the sidewalk again, or move on to the next "in thing" coming down the line. For you neanderthals who seem to think loud pipes scream "look at me i'm cool!", i hear that the '70s fad of Pet Rocks is coming back in.. better get in on the ground floor and name your very own, 'Rocky', first!

When you growl by on your slammed out, chromed sled with no more baffles than you have brains, my first thought isn't "he's cool!", but "whatta tool".

This noise legislation has been brought upon the rest of us all by the likes of you, and similarly meagerly equipped motorcyclists of other genres. So, instead of whining.. suck it up buttercup .. it looks good on you, and i hope it's effective in dinging you in the pocket book the next time you pollute the environs of Belfountain and similarly outraged communities - THAT might get you thinking, when evidently nothing else has.

Yes, I'm in a particularly pissy mood tonight. Sue me.
 
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Rixter said:
This is pasted from the minutes of todays meeting...
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I am happy to see that the proposed by-law was actually amended to follow SAE J2825. Hopefully when other areas make by-laws for motorcycles (and you know its a "when" not "if") they will use this by-law as a template.


And I have always liked a nice loud horn to wake people up in the morning.

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Bandit Bill said:
Gotta love some of the semi-literate squeals of outrage from some of the new and apparently mouth-breathing neanderthals to the forum who seem to think that it's their God given constitutional right to annoy the ever living piss out of their fellow man with their audible penis extenders. Welcome, and bravo. More tools for the flaming, i say.

I have yet to be pulled over with my 10 y/o full Hindle 'street' exhaust that blew it's packing out about 60,000 km ago. It will scream if i wind it out over 5,000 rpm. Do i take it over 5,000 rpm? very rarely. It's not how big sounding your 'tool' is, it's how you use it in my opinion.

The 'loud pipes save lives' schtick is just a load of bollocks. Loud pipes don't save lives, situational awareness does. If you are getting cut off on a routine basis, either trade in that penis extension for a nice, safe Schwinn so you can play on the sidewalk again, or move on to the next "in thing" coming down the line. For you neanderthals who seem to think loud pipes scream "look at me i'm cool!", i hear that the '70s fad of Pet Rocks is coming back in.. better get in on the ground floor and name your very own, 'Rocky', first!

When you growl by on your slammed out, chromed sled with no more baffles than you have brains, my first thought isn't "he's cool!", but "whatta tool".

This noise legislation has been brought upon the rest of us all by the likes of you, and similarly meagerly equipped motorcyclists of other genres. So, instead of whining.. suck it up buttercup .. it looks good on you, and i hope it's effective in dinging you in the pocket book the next time you pollute the environs of Belfountain and similarly outraged communities - THAT might get you thinking, when evidently nothing else has.

Yes, I'm in a particularly pissy mood tonight. Sue me.
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VERY well said!!!
 
I'm tired of everyone telling me what I can and can't do. This society is grating on my nerves and I'm ready to snap one day. We have too many rules as it is and now have to tip toe through this town because of a few fools. I miss the days of reckless will where one could do as he pleased and had great stories to tell when he got older. Now we as a socitey are so clamped down we cant have fun anymore unless you pay someone to use his land, buy insurance for it, get a special licence, get training and trailer the toy to the site. Suddenly the fun is gone because your so broke and it took you 2 weeks to set up for a day of fun (sled, ATV, Jetski, Bike). I remember as a kid at 13 riding a moped on a back alley in Toronto in the 70's. I was having a great time not hurting anyone until the cop showed up and all hell broke loose.

So some old folks are mad at the noise, find out who the noise makers are and get them!!! Old school! Oh, you can't do that any more either...

Some you you guys need a hug! Relax....
 
Maybe they should just put up a Guarded gate at either end of the Forks and make a manditory id check before they let you in. Then they will try to ban planes from flying overhead.
Once they have the planes banned they will go after the Mosquitos because the Mosquitos ruin their afternoons on the porch sipping tea.

I wonder if they have banned crying children.

All I want to know is what the **** makes those arses so special?

And what about the vigilantis in the area who strategically spill oil at the double hairpin? Surely there has to be some kind of law against that. It can't be a coincidence as the oil is spilled in the same location every year.
Or the gravel that appears in the apex of most of the corners?

These people are a real peice of work........Where the police when this stuff is happening?

Bunch of Elitist Pr's


Yes I to am in a pissy mood.....
 
Android Cat said:
Loud jackets save lives.

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That is the dumbest idea yet, the cagers see enough of them and they won't be looking around for anybody riding a motorcycle, they will expect them to jump into thier vision!
That stand out colour will make them more lazy than they already are!

Stick to regular colours and wear a whtie helmet, it makes a big differance.
 
Bandit Bill said:
I have yet to be pulled over with my 10 y/o full Hindle 'street' exhaust that blew it's packing out about 60,000 km ago. It will scream if i wind it out over 5,000 rpm. Do i take it over 5,000 rpm? very rarely. It's not how big sounding your 'tool' is, it's how you use it in my opinion.

When you growl by on your slammed out, chromed sled with no more baffles than you have brains, my first thought isn't "he's cool!", but "whatta tool".

This noise legislation has been brought upon the rest of us all by the likes of you, and similarly meagerly equipped motorcyclists of other genres. .
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What's the difference between your illegal hindle pipe and other peoples?
When they test your bike it won't pass either, so are you criticizing yourself?
You just said you ride as quietly as possible at low rpms, so whats wrong with a "slammed out chrome sled" doing the same thing you are?
Growling by is not blasting the engine wide open, you just admitted to doing the same thing, i don't understand.
If you can ride your "loud bike" quietly, why can't we?
What gives you the right to defy the law?
Any motorcycle can be loud with the wrong guy riding it.

Go ride around Caledon next year, i guarantee you will get pulled over, then you'll be crying in here that you got a ticket for "improper exhaust"
Unless it's stock, you'll be screwed just like any other illegal bike.

If you rode around Toronto core and Peel region everyday, you would have been pulled over by now.

And Hamilton has more straight pipes than Sturgis, so you probably hear 3 times the amount noise we do, which would explain why you are grumpy. :D
 
FullMotoJacket said:
You're right. You're very good at thinly veiled wordings so you can come back and deny that's not what you meant.
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Where in that do you see the words "acceptable" in reference to possible responses? You don't. There's a reason for that and it has nothing to do with thinly veiling anything.

It may be an expected response, but that's not the same thing as an acceptable response.

Now, it's time for you to grow up. Put words in your own mouth, not mine.
 
turbodish said:
Some places do have local bylaws barring the use of Jake brakes.

I saw this sign in North Bay while out riding up there last weekend. "Engine compression brakes prohibited within city limits". http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sour...=Kp5NXqf70uDG8kOzjhROvQ&cbp=12,274.73,,1,5.59
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I grew up in North Bay and the amount of trucks that pass through the city is truly staggering. Less so in recent years due to reductions in logging trade (Thank you NAFTA!) but I digress.

Let me tell you Turbo, where you saw that sign is the "Rich part of town". It's the same people who complained about the noises airplanes make...when they bought a house less than 3km's from an airport!

I'll admit I haven't seen that sign anywhere else but that neighbourhood. (But it's been awhile since I was in town)

I'd rather someone use their air brakes than end up in a situation where they roll through town due to brake failure/soft brakes. (Which happened by the way)

I've got no problem with the regulation, it's the NIMBY **** that pisses me off. Petition the government to make a it provincial regulation. Target the aftermarket parts manufacturers who make these items. Hell, make it so that after market modifications to exhausts are illegal! But don't tell me this is anything more than a cash grab.

Overegulated, under governed. Put a law/by-law in place instead of trying to actually FIX the problem.
 
Turbo - Was it not you who said

"intentionally putting those other road users in danger (especially the more vulnerable road users like pedestrians/hikers/cyclists) because of a desire to push your motorcycle is also an evil act. Why would you not expect push-back from the locals in response to that risk posed to their family and neighbours?"

So now by push I would believe you to mean speed, is this correct?

So now this becomes a speeding issue and not a noise issue or is it maybe a Motorcycle issue in general?....I don't believe that the cruisers with the LOUD pipes PUSH there bikes thru the forks endangering the locals.

So please clarify who the Locals are targeting with their gravel and oil spills?

Any way you slice it, these folks just have a hard-on against motorcycles and those of you who live in the area and ride bikes, don't think they like you any more than those who come from other areas, they are just too cowardly to tell you to your face...

Yes that means your neighbour does think you are menace on a motorcycle but he still waves at you from accross the street as you both sit on your porches trying to enjoy your own little Utopia!!!!!
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