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Caledon Noise Bylaw for motorcycles

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The Mayor replied to me after she had confirmed with their legal department that the bylaw follows that standards and procedures outlined in SAEJ2825.
 
djltoronto said:
Why was it tested at 5000 rpms if it was done to SAE J2825 specifications?
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The test set-up was to J2825 and J1287 requirements but we thought it a good idea to test at 2000 and 5000 RPM just to see what the numbers turned out to be. We also did 51 other "old" bikes in order to see if the J2825 test would be a problem for stock silencer equipped classic and vintage bikes. The full report is on the CVMG web site at http://www.cvmg.ca

AFJ
 
AFJ said:
As of today at 1 pm, Caledon council members have been advised by their legal department that the motorcycle noise bylaw should follow the standards allowed by the SAE J2825 document (92 dBA at idle, 96 dBA at 2000 RPM for 1, 5, and 6 cylinder motorcycles and 100 dBA at 5,000 RPM for 3 and 4 cylinder bikes.)
AFJ
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If this is what the legal dept. is advising that would mean all V Twins are expempt, the test is only for 1,3,4,5 and 6 cylinder engines ?????
Wierd!!
 
Rixter said:
If this is what the legal dept. is advising that would mean all V Twins are expempt, the test is only for 1,3,4,5 and 6 cylinder engines ?????
Wierd!!
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It was a typo - now corrected - test is for all motorcycles - 1,2,5,and 6 cylinder bikes are allowed 96 dBA (measured at 2,000 RPM), 3 and 4 cylinder bikes are allowed 100 dBA (measured at 5,000 RPM)

AFJ
 
Rixter said:
If this is what the legal dept. is advising that would mean all V Twins are expempt, the test is only for 1,3,4,5 and 6 cylinder engines ?????
Wierd!!
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It was a typo - now corrected - test is for all motorcycles - 1,2,5,and 6 cylinder bikes are allowed 96 dBA (measured at 2,000 RPM), 3 and 4 cylinder bikes are allowed 100 dBA (measured at 5,000 RPM)

AFJ
 
I wonder if Transports will have bylaws imposed over use of their 'Jake Brake' which is louder than any Motorcycle exhaust I have ever heard
 
Personally, I am in favour of a standardized test that makes rational sense. Much better than the approach Denver tried at one time, which was all exhaust systems must be stock. What happens when you have an old bike and stock is non-existant?
 
Some... interesting... responses here. I'm happy to see, though, that there are a few out there who actually understand the difference between a "loud" and "louder than stock" exhaust system.

Mark my words; this whole Belfountain episode is just the beginning, things will get a lot worse in the coming years. Those of you who don't believe this obviously don't understand what happens when enough people get ticked off about something... they will bring about a massive change in legislation and social behaviour. Most of you younger punks won't have a frame of reference for this, but those of us who were smokers back in the 80's sure do.

Message to the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" crowd: Congratulations, everyone has heard you. Thanks for screwing it up for the rest of us.
 
TwistedKestrel said:
Maybe they'd need it over there, but here that legislation would be redundant. If you were operating the bike/vehicle in such a fashion, you're doing something that would be chargeable under HTA 172 anyway.
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I'm from Edmonton and can assure you, we need more motorcycle legislation like I need another hole in the head. We are WAAAAAY over policed--all in the name of "safety".

Our bike community is harassed ENDLESSLY for no reason whatsoever other than that the acting Sgt. gets a hard-on for condemning every motorcyclist on the road. I'm not exaggerating. The cops set up shop on a popular bike road, then pull over EVERY single bike just to test pipes or do a "random document check". I personally have been pulled over NINE times this season for "random document checks".

There was obviously a huge uproar when the bylaw came out. They did "penalty-free" noise testing over a few days before enforcement began so you could see if your bike would pass--every bike that failed had aftermarket pipes installed. To date, they've only issued about 70 tickets... but each is $250 to a max of $10,000. Totally retarded when you consider most punishments for moving violations that can actually kill people top out at $402.

If you have egregiously loud pipes, fine-- get a ticket. But the fact that they're singling out motorcycles is the biggest injustice, not to mention the police harassment we have to endure just cause we're on a bike. This law just gives them permission to continue pulling us over for no good reason at all.
 
AFJ said:
The test set-up was to J2825 and J1287 requirements but we thought it a good idea to test at 2000 and 5000 RPM just to see what the numbers turned out to be. We also did 51 other "old" bikes in order to see if the J2825 test would be a problem for stock silencer equipped classic and vintage bikes. The full report is on the CVMG web site at http://www.cvmg.ca

AFJ
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CVMG do some great work. That's the best writeup I've seen to date, and their lineup of vintage motorcycles is impressive.
 
this is an outrage. Our exhuast is a riders last line of defense against these poorly trained, overly distracted, and utterly ****** drivers. If not for the noise produced by my Hindle I may have gotten hit 5 or 6 times.......and that is just today. **** that town. I say we all rip through that town on a nightly basis to protest this complete disregard for yet another one of our 'Fundemental Freedoms'. If we the people do not start standing up for ourselves agains this greedy money hungry government and there flock of sheep enforcement we are all as good as slaves (even more so than we are now). And to all police people who read this......Smarten up. I am sure if you actually used your brain you could see which laws are enforce for the protection of the people and which are purly for the profit of the 2% who control 98% of the wealth. I respect u have a job to do but please, we are all on the same side.....try to keep that in [in the part that has not been brainwashed] mind. Freedom of thought, the one freedom they will never have total control of!!!
 
bonner_stabone said:
Our exhuast is a riders last line of defense against these poorly trained, overly distracted, and utterly ****** drivers. If not for the noise produced by my Hindle I may have gotten hit 5 or 6 times.......and that is just today.
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If you're relying on exhaust noise for safety and find yourself having close calls 5 or 6 times a day, you might want to take a critical look at your riding habits. (Unless you ride in Markham, of course, in which case, carry on).
Loud Pipes Save Lives might make for a cool slogan on a helmet sticker but the science doesn't support it.
As for the poorly trained drivers, exactly how much professional training have most motorcycle riders had, beyond the weekend necessary to get the M2? No argument that there are lots of bad car drivers out there but I've sure seen a lot of bad riders as well.

bonner_stabone said:
**** that town. I say we all rip through that town on a nightly basis to protest this complete disregard for yet another one of our 'Fundemental Freedoms'.
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Exactly where in the Charter are loud exhausts addressed? Or do you mean the "Fundamental Freedom" to deliberately cause disturbance to others by 'ripping through that town'?

bonner_stabone said:
And to all police people who read this......Smarten up. I am sure if you actually used your brain you could see which laws are enforce for the protection of the people and which are purly for the profit of the 2% who control 98% of the wealth. I respect u have a job to do but please, we are all on the same side.....try to keep that in [in the part that has not been brainwashed] mind.
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Yup, that oughta bring 'em around. Who wouldn't respond positively to being told to "smarten up", "actually use your brain" and that they're "brainwashed"? Have you considered a career in motivational speaking?

I hate the idea of motorcycles being targeted but we can thank those few riders who insist in making as much noise as possible for bringing this about.
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