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Ahhhhhh it's all a bunch o bullcrap!
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We have much better things to worry about than some noisy motorsickles !!

Doesn't matter where, when or how i hear a motorcycle, it always puts a smile on my face, because at least i know somebody is having a good time.
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Rixter said:
Didn't think I would run into you here, seein' you jumped to the east..lol
Don't need anyone to back me up, been around too long and all my kids are grownup now, so I know how to tune things out...lmao :cool:
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You should know i'm in charge of the whole interwebs for Ontario and Quebec. :lol:
 
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Rixter said:
I'm not completely oblivious to the reasons of going somewhere on a motorcycle, I do it all the time, but Belfountian is not a ride too me when it's only 10 minutes away, if I ride there and stop for a chit chat and a coffee from where I live you would probly call me a wanta be biker...lol
Its the ride, not the destination, that isn't desination or a ride, it's a run through the gears once...lol
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Unfortunately Forks tends to be a destination for many riders in the west end, simply because there are so few 'good' roads around these days. I lament for the riders who are just starting out now, in the GTA, because it's so much harder to go for a little afternoon ride in the country than it was when I started, back in the mid-'80s. The "country" now tends to be 2 hours away from where you start.

There are as many reasons to ride, as there are riders. While the point might be the ride, rather than the destination, I generally go out with a destination in mind. With that said, I've only been in Belfountain perhaps three times in the last 4 years; twice this year. The first time this year was to try and find a copy of the OPP publication "A Motorcyclist's Guide to Riding in Caledon." The second time was to return the copy I found to The Shed, since it was their last copy. I simply don't find it an enjoyable place to ride in the way that I once did, a decade and more ago.

As an aside the last time that I was there, I rolled in essentially unnoticed by the locals. While I was sitting in the sun and having a drink, a group of loud-pipe cruisers went by. You can bet that I was noticed after that!
 
itinkle said:
It's times like that where I hope his tires are nice and cold going into that turn down the street.
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I have one bike a 750 Honda Ace with straight pipes and no baffles that pulls away from the stop down the street full throttle running through 4 gears till he passes the house then lets off, trying to impress someone??
It is at 3;30 in the afternoon and sometimes it could be 12:30 at night, and when he rides back the other direction he down shifts in to second and winds it up past the house again to the stop. Most times he does this when my wife is pulling her bike out for a ride or we are coming home from a ride.
We couldn't care less about the noise but my neighbor has a three year old and newborn twins.

And he just doesn't do this at my house, I saw him run it through the gears at full tilt away from the light south on Airport Rd. in Caledon East all the way through town and half way up the hill before he let off, must have been runni' about 100 plus kph.
 
CanadianBiker said:
The Caledon OPP do an outstanding job of keeping drunks off the road, with year-round RIDE checks and vigorous enforcement. These are the roads that I, my family, and many of you ride and drive on, a couple years ago a woman killed a couple on a bike on Mississauga Rd. She was so drunk she didn't know she'd hit them. On a Sunday. At 10:00 am.
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That woman was from Grand Valley on her way home from work on a Saturday morning.

And I won't be voting for Gord McClure either, but now were getting into pollitics...lol

Not sure who you are from the Sig name, but Thanks for havin' my back, but as I said in another post my kids are grown up and can tune out most crap....lol

 
xskipro said:
1. If a bike is legal for the road..
2. Rider has a valid Plate sticker..
3. Has proper Lic , Reg and Ins for the road.

Why should that person not be allowed on a public road ?
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The same question was asked at a Caledon meeting a few years back when the residents of Belfountian tried to pass a by-law prohibiting motorcycles from using the roads in the town.
And yes it got beat down and a few years later we have this to deal with.
 
Rant...

As I said we need to get use to this because it will be happening more and more, in fact some places (like old Quebec City in the walls) may even attempt an out right ban of bikes. I see this as the first (or near first) in a long process of crackdowns and bans, like smoking bans when enough people get annoyed it will just keep going and going, no letting up when we are on the ropes (smoking has now gone well beyond the original health issue to "don't want to even smell it")... What the guys go through trail riding is a good example of how this can unfold. If it gets bad enough they may just give you a fine for not having the proper markings on the pipes, maybe even a tow because the bike does not meet "safety" requirements (no need for a meter).

There are many devices (gas mowers, etc.) that are just as loud, what we should take notice to here is the focus of the targeting, that tells us that the general public feel that bikes are the problem (right or wrong). This should be enough for us as a group to give our heads a shake.

If we do not want it to go any further we may have to self police, refuse to ride with guys who have crazy loud pipes, ridicule them at group meets...stuff bananas in their pipes :). In the end it is either a case of "laws" getting tighter/worse or for the idiots to turn it down.

I used to mountain bike and we refused to trail ride with anyone who did not wear a helmet. The "cool" guys soon got the message and got some lids, same might work here. The main problem is the guys with really loud pipes for the most parts don't hang with us.

I enjoy the sound of a bike as much as the next guy (I do have half cored stock mufflers and my intake baffles removed, louder but not "loud"), but I also enjoy a good nights sleep... I also know that the loud pipes will only make a few more HP if all the other mods are done just right, most of the really loud ones reduce the HP of the bike and serve no purpose but to compensate for small appendages (and from my email SPAM it seems that for $XX you can get that fixed...).

rant over... Flame away.
 
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xskipro said:
1. If a bike is legal for the road..
2. Rider has a valid Plate sticker..
3. Has proper Lic , Reg and Ins for the road.

Why should that person not be allowed on a public road ?

Just asking the questions....
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Because it's not legal for the road!

Replacing any part of the exhaust with anything other than OEM components is basically illegal. Due to a poorly written section of the HTA, there are many OEM exhaust systems that are technically illegal as well! These are factors in making enforcing the current legislation difficult, and so cops rarely bother with it.
 
Loving the cruiser hate. Must be the guys getting their angst out over the Sun article. :happy3:

While it may not be a problem in the country, where I live in Toronto I constantly get guys(and maybe girls, I honestly don't know) winding up their sportbikes and peeling away from the lights near me. How is that any better?

Having a few friends who are into "tuner" cars, I can tell you...many of those civics wouldn't pass this test. It's a shame they are picking motorcyclists out as the only culprits.

And to Rick, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I haven't had a chance to ride up there this year, however was anticipating a ride to the Forks next year once the construction was done. (And I think my ACE is in the same camp as your neighbours...minus the needless gear shifting of course...)
 
Rixter said:
I'm not completely oblivious to the reasons of going somewhere on a motorcycle, I do it all the time, but Belfountian is not a ride too me when it's only 10 minutes away, if I ride there and stop for a chit chat and a coffee from where I live you would probly call me a wanta be biker...lol
Its the ride, not the destination, that isn't desination or a ride, it's a run through the gears once...lol
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fair enough. i see your point. however, i guess its all perspective. from where i currently live, it takes me 1.5 hours to get to the forks, i can push it to over 2 hours if i take side roads. so for me, it is a ride. its nice scenery, yes there are other places to ride, but that place is really nice.

on that note, i dont endorse straight pipes. but there are some aftermarket tones that i do like. and i just dont think it would be fair to test bikes at any rpm, as even a stock bike can get pretty damn loud bouncing off the rev limiter.
 
Myztyk said:
Loving the cruiser hate. Must be the guys getting their angst out over the Sun article. :happy3:
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In my case it's more an issue of not liking people who behave like idiots in whatever way, be it by having ear-bleedingly loud pipes, or riding like an idiot when there are other people around who might pay the price.

One of the reasons I don't enjoy riding at Forks anymore is because of some idiots who took a shine to a hot blonde who I used to ride with and, in trying to impress her, they joined the back of our group and were running up far too close behind me, at high speeds, then pulling stoppies. One screwed up his braking and slid right up alongside me. I can take care of myself but, as the sweep rider, I didn't take too kindly to them putting the others in my group at risk. This wasn't the only incident, but it was certainly the worst of them.
 
Myztyk said:
Loving the cruiser hate. Must be the guys getting their angst out over the Sun article. :happy3:
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lol, cruiser hate in Caledon, sport bike hate in the GTA and lots of anger/fear being vented over it. Why are we so angry this week? :confused1:
 
pm127 said:
lol, cruiser hate in Caledon, sport bike hate in the GTA and lots of anger/fear being vented over it. Why are we so angry this week? :confused1:
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Winter's coming...:(
 
Myztyk said:
And to Rick, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I haven't had a chance to ride up there this year, however was anticipating a ride to the Forks next year once the construction was done. (And I think my ACE is in the same camp as your neighbours...minus the needless gear shifting of course...)
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Not a problem bring it to the forum.

This needs to get stopped before it is passed and I learned tonight there is one more reading in Council coming up.

Also learned that all this motorcycle noise complaints are coming from one person living in Belfountian and getting support from other residents, probably the same guy pouring anti-freeze and transmission fluid on the corners in town and spreading roofing nails and sand on the corners.
and there has been no other complaints from and other towns in Caledon just Belfountian.

So what we need to do is send e mails to the Mayor of Caledon Marolyn Morrison and let her know that we as residents or visitors to Caledon do not agree to this proposed by-law.

The more the better!

marolyn.morrison@caledon.ca

Send one now and speak out before it is too late!

Oh Myztyk it is all in the way a person uses their pipes, need to know when to make noise and when not too.
Consideration for the other person.
 
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i guess its all perspective. from where i currently live, it takes me 1.5 hours to get to the forks.
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1.5 hours for me would be my kind of ride, that would put me on River Road headin' toward Terra Nove, north od Shelburne.:cool:
 
Rixter said:
Oh Myztyk it is all in the way a person uses their pipes, need to know when to make noise and when not too.
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You can go ahead and write council and the mayor to object to proposed noise bylaws, but what are your arguments going to be? That the bylaw is unjust because it affects those who want to be loud?

Besides, it's not just Belfountain residents complaining about the noise. Residents on routes leading to Belfountain are also complaining to their respective elected officials about unnecessary motorcycle noise, and they're also writing to the editor in the local newspapers.

Here's a recent selection of complaints sent to just one local newspaper by local residents:

On the other side, one rider wrote to the paper and defended loud bikes, implied that wind chimes are just as much a nuisance as unmuffled Harleys, and advised one letter writer (and former rider) who don't like the noise to either get back in the saddle or move. I'm sure that impressed a lot of the local readership. http://www.insidehalton.com/opinion/letters/article/862667--harley-owner-defends-riders

Unfortunately, too many people have repeatedly shown that they don't know when to make noise, and when not to. It would be one thing if there was an unavoidable functional necessity for all that exhaust noise, but there just isn't one. Self-policing within the rider community, whether for unnecessary noise or for hooligan riding, has also gone absolutely nowhere.

As a result, it's pretty much a given that noise bylaws are going to happen, especially now that Edmonton has laid out a template for other municipalities to follow. And like any other restrictive law or bylaw, it's come about because of the excesses of a few.
 
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I've only been to the forks a few times this season with my girlfriend, and we sat around for a while and saw guys ripping away on their bikes from the stop sign.

I feel bad for the people in that 100 meter radius when its a nice weekend, it must get pretty loud.

I definitely agree that the guys running straight pipes or cored out baffles are definitely ruining it for the rest of us. I ride a cruiser with a set of V&H pipes which are baffled and I can ride it so smoothly you may not even notice I passed by you! It's called not being a bastard.
 
Rixter said:
Not a problem bring it to the forum.

This needs to get stopped before it is passed and I learned tonight there is one more reading in Council coming up.

Also learned that all this motorcycle noise complaints are coming from one person living in Belfountian and getting support from other residents, probably the same guy pouring anti-freeze and transmission fluid on the corners in town and spreading roofing nails and sand on the corners.
and there has been no other complaints from and other towns in Caledon just Belfountian.

So what we need to do is send e mails to the Mayor of Caledon Marolyn Morrison and let her know that we as residents or visitors to Caledon do not agree to this proposed by-law.

The more the better!

marolyn.morrison@caledon.ca

Send one now and speak out before it is too late!

Oh Myztyk it is all in the way a person uses their pipes, need to know when to make noise and when not too.
Consideration for the other person.
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Here's a tack to take; ask why the existing noise bylaws are insufficient to the task, when they take into account everything from lawn mowers to motor vehicles?
 
Rixter said:
I have one bike a 750 Honda Ace with straight pipes and no baffles that pulls away from the stop down the street full throttle running through 4 gears till he passes the house then lets off, trying to impress someone??
It is at 3;30 in the afternoon and sometimes it could be 12:30 at night, and when he rides back the other direction he down shifts in to second and winds it up past the house again to the stop. Most times he does this when my wife is pulling her bike out for a ride or we are coming home from
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I would take my camera and film the rider as he goes by. If he notices you doing this he might start to behave a bit more.
 
turbodish said:
As a result, it's pretty much a given that noise bylaws are going to happen, especially now that Edmonton has laid out a template for other municipalities to follow. And like any other restrictive law or bylaw, it's come about because of the excesses of a few.
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I agree, common sense just doesn't prevail in most cases.
And the sad part is the ones who just plain don't give a **** are the ones that will sell their bikes and move on, motorcycling is just another passing fancy for some and get into something else and leave the rest of us who have consideration for others dealing with the fate they have left us.:cool:
 
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kiwi said:
I would take my camera and film the rider as he goes by. If he notices you doing this he might start to behave a bit more.
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Good idea!
I have thought that one day I would just by chance be ready to roll out for a ride when he flew on by and follow him home then tear up and down in front of his house to see how he liked it, but that would bring me down to his level...plain dumb.:laughing8:
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