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Buying a used BMW Car

Scanning is not my only concern. My main concern is these cars appear to be throwaway cars designed to last ten years or 150,000 km's. Kind of like the phone market...planned obselecence. We are also looking at Audi A4's. The 2012's we've looked have rusted undercarriages and even fenders.
They are 150,000km cars. Search BMW recycling on YouTube, look at how BMW look at cars and lifecycles.

A 150k BMW is designed to be raw materials for a new one.
 
Someone must not have told my cars that. I have a 1999 323i with 400k, and a 2001 M3 with 300k that are still running. Rust started showing on the 323i at 10 years but it had never been rust proofed. Meanwhile, my 2-year old S2000 developed rust in the rear wheel well.

Here are a 2001 Honda Civic and a 2001 BMW 3-series. I'll bet you'll see a lot more of the BMW's than the Honda's still driving around:
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Here are a 2001 Honda Civic and a 2001 BMW 3-series. I'll bet you'll see a lot more of the BMW's than the Honda's still driving around:
Young dudes will pose any old BMW. Never an old Civic.

OP if you're down with turning wrenches or paying somebody to do it the BMW is a great car.
 
I can't speak to the newer cars, but my 2001 E46 M3 has been wonderful to 300,000 km's, and I've had no major issues. I've had to replace a few things outside of regular maintenance, like the oil level sensor and alternator, but there's a case to be made that they're also wear and tear items. The best part about BMW ownership is that there are internet sites full of die hard enthusiasts that do all my research for me. I've never come across a problem that nobody's heard of, and better yet, hasn't already created a DIY for. Also, parts are incredibly/relatively cheap if you consider that there are SO many OEM parts available. Contrast that to the Subaru forums I'm on for my other vehicles, and there's a night and day difference in being able to find information on a non-STi or WRX model.

The biggest problem with BMW ownership is poor maintenance. That includes blindly following the factory maintenance intervals:
Fellow e46 M3 owner! 🤜🤛 Agree that the community DIY help is fairly extensive, but much of it is for the cooking model e46s, and still nothing like the scale of other domestic/Japanese sporty/performance types (the Nissan S and Z chassis groups come to mind). I still haven't been able to figure out the periodic clicking noises from the rear when the ambient temp is under 12ish C. Unless you've got some special sauce for OE parts (please share if you do), in my experience they're NOT cheap compared to domestics/Japanese.

That recommended oil change interval is sheer nonsense. Same as the "lifetime" transmission oil BS, my transmission is 1000% happier after I change it with LT-2 at 190k.
 
Unless you've got some special sauce for OE parts
 
Ken Livingstone has an Elantra with 328,000km on it. It just had it's first part failure. Alternator bearing.Impressive.
 
Ken Livingstone has an Elantra with 328,000km on it. It just had it's first part failure. Alternator bearing.Impressive.

I put 105k on a 36k Optima. Only needed front brakes and oil changes. Nothing but good things to say about em.

Which reminds me [mention]-Maverick- [/mention]why not a used Kia Stinger? It’s got the coupe look.
 
Scanning is not my only concern. My main concern is these cars appear to be throwaway cars designed to last ten years or 150,000 km's. Kind of like the phone market...planned obselecence. We are also looking at Audi A5's. The 2012's we've looked have rusted undercarriages and even fenders.
I have had three BMWs all purchased as used, about 3 years old with normal mileage. 90 325is > 250000km, 97 328is > 250000km and currently a 2011 X5 diesel with 247000km. No significant issues with any of them. I always service them when service is due and I have a good local BMW specialist. I only go to a dealer for recalls.
 

Yup, and of course ECS:
 
Use caution with that one.

FCPEuro is awesome with their buy once, get free replacements forever policy.

WTF? I've been buying from ECS since 2011 with no problems. Guess I've been lucky?

And yes, FCP is awesome in that respect. Puts Costco's to shame, but I honestly don't know how they do it:

What if I buy oil but my car burns or leaks oil? Am I still refunded for all the oil?
We treat oil and consumables like we do any other product - we process a refund for exactly what we receive. So, if you ordered 5 liters of oil and burned 2 liters, we process a refund for 3 liters as received.
 
WTF? I've been buying from ECS since 2011 with no problems. Guess I've been lucky?

And yes, FCP is awesome in that respect. Puts Costco's to shame, but I honestly don't know how they do it:

What if I buy oil but my car burns or leaks oil? Am I still refunded for all the oil?
We treat oil and consumables like we do any other product - we process a refund for exactly what we receive. So, if you ordered 5 liters of oil and burned 2 liters, we process a refund for 3 liters as received.
Good to hear that some people have good luck with ECS.

I have no idea how fcp has that policy and remains viable. As for the oil consumption, it seems like a window to top up return with old lawnmower oil to get refunded at full-synthetic price. You'd actually make money by doing oil changes in your small engines. Spark plugs are another wear item that makes a lot of laps and has to lose them a fortune.
 
Good to hear that some people have good luck with ECS.

I have no idea how fcp has that policy and remains viable. As for the oil consumption, it seems like a window to top up return with old lawnmower oil to get refunded at full-synthetic price. You'd actually make money by doing oil changes in your small engines. Spark plugs are another wear item that makes a lot of laps and has to lose them a fortune.

I think they're relying on the shipping costs to deter some people from returning heavy items, which may or may not be proportionate to value. Then again, within the continental US, shipping is peanuts.
 
My wife insists she wants one...a 4 series... her current Mitsubishi Eclipse GT-P is getting up in km's and starting to die. She's not used to car repairs as the Eclipse didn't break, and whatever did break I was able to repair it quite easily. Parts are becoming harder to find for Mitsubishi Eclipse now as they stopped making them in 2012...so whatever is left in the aftermarket is what's left, period. The 4 series BMW has caught her eye. I know this company is very proprietary and these cars have their issues and require scan tools that no one can get their hands on...so I won't be able to help her should it break. They all seem to be dumping them at ~ 130,000 km's... and that's what she wants to buy. Any used car guys out there? Would appreciate input.

Thanks in advance.

I never asked - why does she specifically want a (or that) BMW? If the answer isn't because of the way it feels when it drives, then there are many other options as far as looks (ironically not one of their strengths), features, or status symbol. BMW really got their slogan right with "The ultimate driving machine", but maybe not worth it if this is lost on someone who doesn't care or can't notice.
 
Those that love them and report nothing more than "normal" maintainance, have not revealed how much that cost them.
 
I bought a 2016 4 series as well; coming up on 2 years of ownership soon. It's a 435i which means it has the N55 motor (inline 6 3L motor). Personally I'd steer clear of the 4cyl models as they have had a few more issues. They also tend to be more abused as they are cheaper and more likely to have gone through multiple owners.

Depending on your budget, I'd really try to make a 440i work. The B58 motor in that model is extremely robust; it's actually based on a diesel engine and has a closed deck design. BMW has been using the B58 in a bunch of their cars and was also co developed with Toyota for use in the new Supra.

Aftermarket support on these cars is huge; lots of enthusiasts around and good (and bad) information readily available. I just crossed 140k kms and I bought it with just under 100k kms. Have done oil changes and replaced a coolant return line. $50 part and 10 mins to replace.

I think the bad rep they get for maintenance is a bit undeserved. Part of it comes from very high dealer service cost (which is understandable) and can be avoided. Another part of it comes from some of their truly terrible engines such as the N63 which used a hot V layout; putting the turbos in the center of banks of a V8 layout. Yikes!

Good luck! If you have any 4 series specific questions I'd be happy to help
 
And yes, FCP is awesome in that respect. Puts Costco's to shame, but I honestly don't know how they do it:
I guess they rely on people like me who are not sending back used brake pads or oil. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Even if their policy allows it.
 

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