Bus Monitor in tears due to some 12 yr old punks .. ( gone viral)

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Kuro said:
It seems more like things are getting worse over time than better. As time goes on, physical punishment became increasingly frowned upon. So as physical punishment decreases, the quality of children also decrease.

You don't just randomly beat your kid for doing something wrong, but kids need to understand there are repercussions to bad behaviour.

What would you do instead of physical punishment to your kids if you found out one of your kids were on this video?
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I have kids. And I was beat a lot as a kid and not in a good way. I have seen the damage first hand of what using corporal punishment can do to people. I have seen it through generations of my family. I thought when I had kids I too would whack them when they didn't obey or got out of line. But when the time came to figure out how to handle these insane, running, smashing, little people, I found a better way. My kids are excellently behaved and not just by my own account and I have never had to hit one of them ever. They are afraid of me, because I have a temper and I don't tolerate anything. They know every action they make has a consequence and that I am watching and they will pay. We have a deal, they listen to me and follow my guidelines and I take care of them and reward them when it is deserved. They have empathy and feel quilt. They know how privileged they are and that there are kids with no homes and no parents who have to eat out of trash bins. My kid would never be in this video because right from infancy I taught them to be empathetic. If one of them slips and teases a kid, I only have to tell them once.
 
Red695 said:
I have kids. And I was beat a lot as a kid and not in a good way. I have seen the damage first hand of what using corporal punishment can do to people. I have seen it through generations of my family. I thought when I had kids I too would whack them when they didn't obey or got out of line. But when the time came to figure out how to handle these insane, running, smashing, little people, I found a better way. My kids are excellently behaved and not just by my own account and I have never had to hit one of them ever. They are afraid of me, because I have a temper and I don't tolerate anything. They know every action they make has a consequence and that I am watching and they will pay. We have a deal, they listen to me and follow my guidelines and I take care of them and reward them when it is deserved. They have empathy and feel quilt. They know how privileged they are and that there are kids with no homes and no parents who have to eat out of trash bins. My kid would never be in this video because right from infancy I taught them to be empathetic. If one of them slips and teases a kid, I only have to tell them once.
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So what are the negative consequences when they misbehave? You say you have a temper and that they're afraid - what are they afraid of?

For the record - I was never hit as a child. But I was a quiet kid and it really wouldn't have been necessary. Now was I naturally a good kid or was I good because I was raised a certain way? Who knows. But I do have siblings, and not all of them were as well behaved as I was.
 
short stop said:
So what are the negative consequences when they misbehave? You say you have a temper and that they're afraid - what are they afraid of?

For the record - I was never hit as a child. But I was a quiet kid and it really wouldn't have been necessary. Now was I naturally a good kid or was I good because I was raised a certain way? Who knows. But I do have siblings, and not all of them were as well behaved as I was.
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It is my judgement of them and my disappointment in them that keeps them in check. When they were small and just learning I made them stand in the corner. Now if they disobey they loose privileges. If they choose not to listen, I just have to remind them how it would be if didn't listen to them and then suddenly they are all ears. On rare occasions I have had to make their lives a living hell ie; take away everything. If they won't go to bed when I tell them, I tell them they are breaking our deal and thus I won't be holding up my end of the bargain and so on with whatever they challenge me on. I think it is because I started when they were 6 months old that it works so well.
 
Red695 said:
I have kids. And I was beat a lot as a kid and not in a good way. I have seen the damage first hand of what using corporal punishment can do to people. .
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Just like everything in life, everything has to be done in moderation.

Even too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

Let me know when they reply "F you mommy" :rolleyes:
 
600k raised wow.

Sticks and stones ya know break bones.

Sorry what happened to her, but I'm sure there are thousands of injured soldiers in the states that are more deserving of some extra coin.
 
Red695 said:
It is my judgement of them and my disappointment in them that keeps them in check. When they were small and just learning I made them stand in the corner. Now if they disobey they loose privileges. If they choose not to listen, I just have to remind them how it would be if didn't listen to them and then suddenly they are all ears. On rare occasions I have had to make their lives a living hell ie; take away everything. If they won't go to bed when I tell them, I tell them they are breaking our deal and thus I won't be holding up my end of the bargain and so on with whatever they challenge me on. I think it is because I started when they were 6 months old that it works so well.
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Haha. You sound just like a neighbour of mine. I laugh every time I see her kids yell and hit her. The next day she's on about how her kids are great and never do anything bad.

I'm sorry, your kids may actually be good, but if they're not going to bed when you tell them to, they have issues.

We as parents can only hope that when our kids are by themselves that they will behave, but the truth is thats all we can do, is hope. I didn't commit B&E's as a teenager because my dad spanked me, I did it because my buddy suggested it. Peer pressure is a very strong thing to overcome and when my son tells me that he'll never smoke, I just say to him that I really hope so.
 
imnothng said:
Haha. You sound just like a neighbour of mine. I laugh every time I see her kids yell and hit her. The next day she's on about how her kids are great and never do anything bad.

I'm sorry, your kids may actually be good, but if they're not going to bed when you tell them to, they have issues.

We as parents can only hope that when our kids are by themselves that they will behave, but the truth is thats all we can do, is hope. I didn't commit B&E's as a teenager because my dad spanked me, I did it because my buddy suggested it. Peer pressure is a very strong thing to overcome and when my son tells me that he'll never smoke, I just say to him that I really hope so.
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Yeah, you're right. Everyone who says their kids are well behaved even though they don't smack them is clearly lying.

There is no way you can outsmart a kid.

Raise a leader and you won't have to worry about peer pressure.
 
Red695 said:
Yeah, you're right. Everyone who says their kids are well behaved even though they don't smack them is clearly lying.

There is no way you can outsmart a kid.

Raise a leader and you won't have to worry about peer pressure.
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Nope, some people get lucky and are born with good children.

Nature over nurture. But not all believe it.
 
There was a punch a kid in the face comment earlier in the thread (I'm too lazy to quote it).


I think there's a big difference between lashing out in anger and corporal punishment. Lashing out in anger teaches children that it's ok to hit when had. Using it as a punishment when calm is just that ... a punishment.
Part of the reason telling a child t go pick out the stick is effective is because by that point the parent has had a change to calm down and any physical punishment is not done in anger ... the other reason being that the kids gets to think about what's coming.

Point being corporal punishment isn't smacking a kid when mad, it's a thought out punishment done when calm. When done in anger it leads to stupid laws like in the UK about spanking kids.
 
sircastic said:
There was a punch a kid in the face comment earlier in the thread (I'm too lazy to quote it).


I think there's a big difference between lashing out in anger and corporal punishment. Lashing out in anger teaches children that it's ok to hit when had. Using it as a punishment when calm is just that ... a punishment.
Part of the reason telling a child t go pick out the stick is effective is because by that point the parent has had a change to calm down and any physical punishment is not done in anger ... the other reason being that the kids gets to think about what's coming.

Point being corporal punishment isn't smacking a kid when mad, it's a thought out punishment done when calm. When done in anger it leads to stupid laws like in the UK about spanking kids.
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I'm sure some people are using corporal punishment correctly and I would never pass judgement on them. Kids need guidance and it sounds like a lot of people get good results with it. I struggle with being unbiased on the topic so I avoid the debate.
 
Russell Peters said it best :)

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Red695 said:
I'm sure some people are using corporal punishment correctly and I would never pass judgement on them. Kids need guidance and it sounds like a lot of people get good results with it. I struggle with being unbiased on the topic so I avoid the debate.
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Corporal punishment is ok for doing something dangerous or being a REAL jackass. The problem is when it gets applied for no reason or even honest mistakes made by the kid. It's a tool that's only to be used under certain circumstances.
 
RockerGuy said:
Just like everything in life, everything has to be done in moderation.

Even too much of a good thing can be bad for you.

Let me know when they reply "F you mommy" :rolleyes:
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So, if you don't use corporal punishment your kids will be telling you to f-off?? Ya, that's sounds like real logic :rolleyes:

I find it fascinating how people can be so narrow minded.

Not only that, how can you go around touting the benefits of corporal punishment to strangers who may or may not be capable of effectively and or safely administer such a form of discipline? You can tell people how to safely use a gun but that doesn't mean they will use their gun safely. Some people simply should not have guns. Some people should not have kids.
 
What the kids on the bus really need.....

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Jayv said:
600k raised wow.

Sticks and stones ya know break bones.

Sorry what happened to her, but I'm sure there are thousands of injured soldiers in the states that are more deserving of some extra coin.
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Soldiers get paid for their job... Getting injured is part of the risk of that job. Not sure what soldiers have anything to do with this anyway. I am sure there are 100 different ways to spend that money approrpriately, but that's not the reason it was donated for.
 
600k+!?!???!? What the F?

In my opinion, she is not competent to be a bus monitor. She shouldnt have been there in the first place and def. does not deserve a sum of that much money.
 
No body wants to be a bus monitor. I don't think they can be as choosy as you suggest. They can't get people to be bus drivers either. Dealing with a-hole parents is usually the biggest deterrent from what I have heard.
 
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