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Brexit might mean some borders get re-drawn but the world continues onward.
 
Might is the key word .... I don't think it's even certain at this point whether it will be ratified in the end by UK lawmakers. If it is, UK still would have to opt out of the Schengen convention to have Brexit vote to have any impact on boarders, flow of people and goods.

Lawyers, will be busy and billing a lot of hours that's given ...
 
I don't think people had/have any appreciation for the number of things that would have to be negotiated between England (possibly no longer a United Kingdom!) and the rest of Europe. And the problem now is that in such a negotiation, the rest of Europe would have the upper hand.

By David Cameron leaving (and this presumably leading to a general election), that task falls upon whoever the UK elects next - and it's an unenviable task.

Does the average British person want to go through a customs and immigration checkpoint if they want to travel to mainland Europe?

Do they want to pay duties and taxes on anything and everything they buy that comes from mainland Europe?

Do they want their own businesses that are selling products in Europe to be at a competitive disadvantage because of duties and taxes?

I would say that a UK general election could very well quash Brexit.
 
Brian P said:
I don't think people had/have any appreciation for the number of things that would have to be negotiated between England (possibly no longer a United Kingdom!) and the rest of Europe. And the problem now is that in such a negotiation, the rest of Europe would have the upper hand.

By David Cameron leaving (and this presumably leading to a general election), that task falls upon whoever the UK elects next - and it's an unenviable task.

Does the average British person want to go through a customs and immigration checkpoint if they want to travel to mainland Europe?

Do they want to pay duties and taxes on anything and everything they buy that comes from mainland Europe?

Do they want their own businesses that are selling products in Europe to be at a competitive disadvantage because of duties and taxes?

I would say that a UK general election could very well quash Brexit.
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This is true but their system makes an election next to impossible until 2010 they will hand the PM job to one of the pro brexit politicians and continue on with leaving.
 
Sitting on this side of the pond it's easy for me to be dismissive of the tough road ahead for Britain. It's no biggie. Sitting here it's easy for me to say it's worth it. It's worth it in the long run.
If USA and Mexico held a pistola to Canadas' head I would still not want to go into union with them. I don't see how these things can work in the long run for the majority of people. Not the way commerce and politics is conducted these days.
 
Brian P said:
I don't think people had/have any appreciation for the number of things that would have to be negotiated between England (possibly no longer a United Kingdom!) and the rest of Europe. And the problem now is that in such a negotiation, the rest of Europe would have the upper hand.

By David Cameron leaving (and this presumably leading to a general election), that task falls upon whoever the UK elects next - and it's an unenviable task.

Does the average British person want to go through a customs and immigration checkpoint if they want to travel to mainland Europe?
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Nationalist movements are gathering momentum in other countries like France, Italy, The Netherlands and Denmark as talk of referendums amps up.

Not everyone wants to be part of a socialist collective that smears borders and destroys the unique identities of member nations through a massive and smothering bureaucracy; Britain is not Bulgaria and shouldn't be forced to absorb any workers by virtue of some edict coming out of Brussels. To be honest, the EU reminds me in many ways of the USSR...

If restoring autonomy and sovereignty means borders and customs etc, so be it. Besides, it works both ways, right? The UK will have as much (if not more) ability to control the flow of goods and people into its realm. As well, the UK has 64 million people and is the 2nd largest economy in the EU; this is a lucrative market that can't be ignored by other nations in Europe out of spite or bitterness. It would be mutually destructive to impose punitive tariffs and the like.

I would say that a UK general election could very well quash Brexit.
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The referendum is not binding. Parliament could ignore the results of the referendum and Cameron has apparently left the invocation of Article 50 to his successor. We'll see what happens over the next few months.
 
Brian P said:
I don't think people had/have any appreciation for the number of things that would have to be negotiated between England (possibly no longer a United Kingdom!) and the rest of Europe. And the problem now is that in such a negotiation, the rest of Europe would have the upper hand.

By David Cameron leaving (and this presumably leading to a general election), that task falls upon whoever the UK elects next - and it's an unenviable task.

Does the average British person want to go through a customs and immigration checkpoint if they want to travel to mainland Europe?

Do they want to pay duties and taxes on anything and everything they buy that comes from mainland Europe?

Do they want their own businesses that are selling products in Europe to be at a competitive disadvantage because of duties and taxes?

I would say that a UK general election could very well quash Brexit.
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Yep. The Europe dire situation just got even messier .... the continent cannot catch a break. It's crazy ... when one thing quiets down, another one surfaces up.
 
mxs said:
Yep. The Europe dire situation just got even messier .... the continent cannot catch a break. It's crazy ... when one thing quiets down, another one surfaces up.
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I'm telling you - too many people. And lots of the wrong kind. That's why the Chinese operate the way they do. They have to. Time to cut the PC and get down to brass tacks.
 
mxs said:
Yep. The Europe dire situation just got even messier .... the continent cannot catch a break. It's crazy ... when one thing quiets down, another one surfaces up.
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You can only kick the can down the road for so long. Eventually things will burst out of control
 
Blackfin said:
Nationalist movements are gathering momentum in other countries like France, Italy, The Netherlands and Denmark as talk of referendums amps up.

Not everyone wants to be part of a socialist collective that smears borders and destroys the unique identities of member nations through a massive and smothering bureaucracy; Britain is not Bulgaria and shouldn't be forced to absorb any workers by virtue of some edict coming out of Brussels. To be honest, the EU reminds me in many ways of the USSR...

If restoring autonomy and sovereignty means borders and customs etc, so be it. Besides, it works both ways, right? The UK will have as much (if not more) ability to control the flow of goods and people into its realm. As well, the UK has 64 million people and is the 2nd largest economy in the EU; this is a lucrative market that can't be ignored by other nations in Europe out of spite or bitterness. It would be mutually destructive to impose punitive tariffs and the like.



The referendum is not binding. Parliament could ignore the results of the referendum and Cameron has apparently left the invocation of Article 50 to his successor. We'll see what happens over the next few months.
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The noise in these countries is coming from parties with one main focus and it doesn't have a lot to do with European Union but that makes a convenient cover.
 
mxs said:
Yep. The Europe dire situation just got even messier .... the continent cannot catch a break. It's crazy ... when one thing quiets down, another one surfaces up.
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More money to be made from chaos than order??
 
jc100 said:
The noise in these countries is coming from parties with one main focus and it doesn't have a lot to do with European Union but that makes a convenient cover.
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We'll see. France has been home to a lot of immigrant & minority strife and discontent of late. Bernard-Henri Levy has opined that if "was a referendum in France, they would probably vote to exit". Back in February, when the Dutch learned that UKers were going to hold a referendum on EU-in/out, a majority demanded their own referendum. People don't demand a referendum on the status-quo unless they feel like a change.
 
Blackfin said:
We'll see. France has been home to a lot of immigrant & minority strife and discontent of late. Bernard-Henri Levy has opined that if "was a referendum in France, they would probably vote to exit". Back in February, when the Dutch learned that UKers were going to hold a referendum on EU-in/out, a majority demanded their own referendum. People don't demand a referendum on the status-quo unless they feel like a change.
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I don't think France would vote to exit at all. There's a lot of farming subsidies that French farmers get from the EU for example, there's protection of different wine regions etc. It's also not in the psyche of the French who are a lot more tolerant than your average Brit. The right wing is rising though on one issue alone. Immigration.
 
jc100 said:
I don't think France would vote to exit at all. There's a lot of farming subsidies that French farmers get from the EU for example, there's protection of different wine regions etc. It's also not in the psyche of the French who are a lot more tolerant than your average Brit. The right wing is rising though on one issue alone. Immigration.
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Intellectuals, youth and urbanites in the England voted to remain. It was the "working class" vote that won in the end. In a referendum it won't matter if there are pockets or small groups that want to stay. In France, if there are more working class schlubs unhappy with immigration or jobs or any of a million other things than there are farmers and vintners then they'll win. I'll trust Levy's opinion on the feelings of his own people. If he believes "leave" would win a referendum in his country then it probably will.
 
ok, everyone in the EU that wants out can leave
every 10 years a mandatory vote
there, move along
Germany will step in to 'bail' you out, lol
 
-D- said:
More money to be made from chaos than order??
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I am not sure, maybe .... that's usually the answer these days to everything, right? Some minority is always benefiting from chaos, while vast majority is taking the hit.

The more and more I read about brexit, the more I believe that it was a just a temptation of the Brits to see what would happen if they did vote ... looks like a charming game to them. Even to the people up high, used-to-be mayor who cannot be found for interview and is hiding somewhere without a clear plan of what to do now .... I really don't know what to think anymore.
 
Neil_V said:
Pretty presumptuous to take a handful of event's and attach it to the motivation of all who voted leave, is it not?
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Yes that is a stretch from one article..but this isn't an isolated event and it was predictable from the result.
 
mxs said:
I am not sure, maybe .... that's usually the answer these days to everything, right? Some minority is always benefiting from chaos, while vast majority is taking the hit.

The more and more I read about brexit, the more I believe that it was a just a temptation of the Brits to see what would happen if they did vote ... looks like a charming game to them. Even to the people up high, used-to-be mayor who cannot be found for interview and is hiding somewhere without a clear plan of what to do now .... I really don't know what to think anymore.
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Boris will likely become PM but who/what is the real PM (puppet master).:p

hmmm might be a good time to invest into fencing companies or border security companies:D
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