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mmmnaked said:
Is it really THAT conclusive? I don't think so.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/1...artner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytstyles&referer=
Lack of conclusive evidence is all I see on both sides.
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You didn't read that article all the way to the end, did you? As soon as they quoted Mercola I tossed the entire article out the window from a reputable data standpoint.

Didn't take long after that (keep reading) to get confirmation that I wasn't alone.
 
I don't really care bro it was a 3 second Google search. I don't need a headset regardless. I get it, you're sensitive about the subject.
 
mmmnaked said:
I don't really care bro
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Posts something completely false that refutes factual information, doesn't care.

No wonder things like the Antivax movement and GMO crap online is spiraling out of control - people will believe the first hit that pops up on Google but "don't care" about the actual facts.

Anyhow, just saying...there's never been a scientific link proven between wireless exposure and any illness despite decades of wireless gadgets on the market. It's much ado about nothing.
 
Sorry where are these facts? Lol you've posted nothing...

So angry
 
PrivatePilot said:
Posts something completely false that refutes factual information, doesn't care.

No wonder things like the Antivax movement and GMO crap online is spiraling out of control - people will believe the first hit that pops up on Google but "don't care" about the actual facts.

Anyhow, just saying...there's never been a scientific link proven between wireless exposure and any illness despite decades of wireless gadgets on the market. It's much ado about nothing.
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just saying...uhm remember cigarettes...hell today the CEO's will still say it does not cause cancer...you know, like how they lied during the US Congress meeting/investigation.
 
-D- said:
just saying...uhm remember cigarettes...hell today the CEO's will still say it does not cause cancer...you know, like how they lied during the US Congress meeting/investigation.
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big companies don't lie to consumers. They care about our well being more than shareholder value. I trust their websites fully....

anyway what I meant was I'm not sure if there are any links from BT to diseases. But if I don't have a need for a BT headset strapped to my head for hours on end there's no point for it. Just personal preference.
 
ZX600 said:
In about 7 years I have only broken 1 micro USB cord. In the past 3 years my wife has replaced her apple laptop cable 2 times and the thing is so expensive .
She has also replaced her iPhone cable 3 times
Here is her laptop cable which I am keeping together with tape
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It's actually a common issue, I've had to replace the charger on my Macbook once but never had another issue since I did the spring trick.

[video=youtube;YqzZ3tELw2E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqzZ3tELw2E[/video]
 
PrivatePilot said:
just saying...there's never been a scientific link proven between wireless exposure and any illness despite decades of wireless gadgets on the market. It's much ado about nothing.
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I haven't formed a proper position on the subject, and as Fastar said, I ride a motorcycle daily so this is way down my potential risk list, but.... just because the empirical data hasn't shown a link yet doesn't mean that one day it won't. Tobacco and Asbestos industries bought the loyalty of science; this is now fact, undisputed. Yet for many years people believed there was no risk because they were told there was no "proven" risk by the scientific community.

On the other side of the faux for funding trend in science... climate hysteria; and as the years pass and the models prove to be incredibly inaccurate (re CO v Global Temp) more and more scientist publicly question the wisdom and motives of basing public policy on predictive software written by those who's funding depends on catastrophic predictions..

...and most recently work suggesting that low fat diets may be the biggest public health mistake of our time... Science is imho, at an all time low in terms of credibility and I'll be keeping an open, skeptical mind; but I'm not losing sleep either.

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... I almost forgot 9/11
The EPA 'empirical data' showed 'no risk' to public health, and they openly encouraged people to return to work within days... We now know these were false claims.

I could go on..
 
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mmmnaked said:
Sorry where are these facts? Lol you've posted nothing...
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Again, read the editors notes on the bottom of the story you linked to. If you'd like me to post links to the studies mentioned there, well...I can arrange that...but it's not gonna be hard to do some Googling and find them.

-D- said:
just saying...uhm remember cigarettes...hell today the CEO's will still say it does not cause cancer...you know, like how they lied during the US Congress meeting/investigation.
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The difference being just taking what you're told at face value, or actually looking at valid scientific studies on the topic and drawing a conclusion accordingly.

For the smoking thing people just took what they were spoonfed (by the cigarette companies themselves) at face value because they were all trusting back then, and in addition most people really didn't have the resources to lookup what might have been the real story - if it was even out there to be found.

For the wireless fear and dread topic, there's legitimate scientific studies out there (most importantly, NOT from the cellphone companies themselves) that that are easy to find for anyone on the internet, and they conclude no links to anything of concern, and again, given 20+ years of wireless exposure by most non luddite members of the public, much of it to signal strengths in the 80's and 90's that dwarf todays), if there was anything major going on it would have started to show itself by now. To the contrary, it's not, and the studies continue to disprove any correlations or concerns.

So the cigarette stories of the 60's and 70's don't correlate really. Different generation, different realities, and a lot more impartial data to base a science-based conclusion on.
 
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PrivatePilot said:
Again, read the editors notes on the bottom of the story you linked to. If you'd like me to post links to the studies mentioned there, well...I can arrange that...but it's not gonna be hard to do some Googling and find them.



The difference being just taking what you're told at face value, or actually looking at valid scientific studies on the topic and drawing a conclusion accordingly.

For the smoking thing people just took what they were spoonfed (by the cigarette companies themselves) at face value because they were all trusting back then, and in addition most people really didn't have the resources to lookup what might have been the real story - if it was even out there to be found.

For the wireless fear and dread topic, there's legitimate scientific studies out there (most importantly, NOT from the cellphone companies themselves) that that are easy to find for anyone on the internet, and they conclude no links to anything of concern, and again, given 20+ years of exposure, much of it to signal strengths in the 80's and 90's that dwarf todays), if there was anything major going on it would have started to show itself by now. To the contrary, it's not, and the studies continue to disprove any correlations or concerns.

So the cigarette stories of the 60's and 70's don't correlate really. Different generation, different realities, and a lot more impartial data to base a science-based conclusion on.
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Spoon fed yes, but by their government and science as well..

For the second highlighted bit, how are you so sure of who funds the studies?

To the last highlighted bit, I strongly disagree, and again, how can you be so positively sure the data is impartial. I just find it slightly naive to so blindly trust given the track record of science over the last century.
 
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For the second highlighted bit, how are you so sure of who funds the studies?
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There were studies that were paid for by the cellphone companies, which yes, found no issues - something most people questioned of course since, well, look who paid the bill.

BUT...

To the last highlighted bit, I strongly disagree, and again, how can you be so positively sure the data is impartial. I just find it slightly naive to so blindly trust given the track record of science over the last century.
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The American Cancer Society.
The National Cancer Institute
The Food and Drug Administration
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

4 Different massive agencies, one of them who's not even a government agency (if that's part of the conspiracy theory undertones here) , all came to the same conclusion. If you're suggesting they've all been globally "bought off" by the cellphone companies, well, IMHO that's on the same crazytrain as those who subscribe to the theory that the moon landing was faked, or that "big pharma" is out to kill/control/drug/zombie/whatever the world population.

It's all part of some some big government conspiracy, the truth is being held from us, we're being lied to..or whatever else you want to call it, right?

Or is the more likely conclusion is that the data and conclusions are actually factual, even if it doesn't fit one's argument or preconceived ideas?
 
There most definitely has NOT been enough time to study long term dangers of direct close-proximity exposure to various electronic devices. Saying that the 80s and 90s count is ridiculous. Nobody walked around with wireless house phones strapped to the side of their face for 10 hours a day.

I love how convinced this guy is that there's absolutely no way that these things could pose a danger to our health in the long term. No scientist worth a damn would make that statement anyway.
 
PrivatePilot said:
The American Cancer Society.
The National Cancer Institute
The Food and Drug Administration
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

It's all part of some some big government conspiracy, the truth is being held from us, we're being lied to..or whatever else you want to call it, right?
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Nobody has used the word conspiracy but you my friend. In fact, I clearly said I'm still out on what to feel, but I will not blindly trust that everything is a okay based on the inconclusive conclusions reached by any of the above listed agencies; and bringing up the FDA! You could fill a page with their shady track record alone!

mmmnaked said:
There most definitely has NOT been enough time to study long term dangers of direct close-proximity exposure to various electronic devices. Saying that the 80s and 90s count is ridiculous. Nobody walked around with wireless house phones strapped to the side of their face for 10 hours a day.

I love how convinced this guy is that there's absolutely no way that these things could pose a danger to our health in the long term. No scientist worth a damn would make that statement anyway.
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Just no evidence as of yet. That may prove true, but you have to look at a generation practically born with these things attached to their hips, and that generation is barely out of high school.
 
mmmnaked said:
There most definitely has NOT been enough time to study long term dangers of direct close-proximity exposure to various electronic devices.
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I'm not sure this is entirely true? Certainly since WW2 there have been pilots sitting fairly close to L, S, and C band radar units, spanning roughly the same frequencies that phone radios use, and they certainly weren't sparing the juice. Transmission power of older radar units is apparently esoteric information I can't find on the Internet (maybe in the range of hundreds of watts for aircraft detection to 60kw for weather radar), but a cell phone is using a watt or less.

It would probably just be background noise amongst the problems they would experience from ionizing cosmic radiation, which is definitely a thing (ionizing radiation doesn't start until wavelengths shorter than 1 μm, the EM we are talking about has wavelengths greater than 5cm)
 
And there's always the kilowatt 2.450gHz source in your kitchen, which is typically not perfectly sealed...
 
I dunno, I'm pretty sure I got herpes from Bluetooth.
 
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