The companies that keep the country running are hiring. Irving is paying people to relocate to build military ships, for example.
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Wage equalizing import duties. China pays employees $5/hr, Canada pays $25/hr, hit them with a 500% import duty on everything and our manufacturing jobs return. The top 10 imports we have from China were produced here (clothes/shoes/furniture/etc) so we know how to make them and they were better quality that lasted longer. The $1 store garbage that we buy now and have somehow gotten used to would be eliminated. Jt would help the environment as well. All that crap is just pre-purchase landfill.
Adam Smith didn't forsee free economies having to contend with wage suppressing, export subsidizing, communist countries when he wrote the Wealth of Nations.
Mad Mike
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Been hiring people for 40 years - where does one find 'cheap foreign workers?'
Mad Mike
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He did, Read book 1, understand Division of Labour.
I'm referring to products. Why should Canadian manufacturers have to compete with products that are much cheaper do to lower labour and environmental standards where their made?
Talk to someone with a timmies franchise.
Tim Hortons has made extensive use of the federal Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP) to propel their expansion in the 2010s. The federal government — read: the public — therefore underwrote the company’s growth by providing a dispensable workforce. Franchisees have gotten heat for abuses against temporary foreign workers, including tip and wage theft and threats of deportation.
Canadians Don’t Want to Work at Tim Hortons
After decades of flagrant profiteering and attacking workers’ rights, Tim Hortons is now struggling to find people willing to work for them.
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We knew but where is the machine and skilled operator now?
Secondly we, IMO, have been brain washed into being a disposable society. Why buy an expensive long lasting item if the colour is going to be out of date next year and you'll bin them to Sally Ann.
If you're throwing a patio beer bash and a few fifty cent beer glasses get broken so what. If they're five dollar glasses the loss is the glass not the beer.
I just bought a SOLID walnut dining table in very good shape for $100 at restore. It doesn't look cool because it's dark and visually takes up a lot of room in a micro condo. So the buyer of the micro condo spends five times as much for white MDF.
P.S. the DR table is destined to become a sofa table with a lot of solid walnut left over. Probably done in chalk paint.
Economies of scale: China has 25 times our population and their home consumer base alone makes mass production more economical. They can pick up Canadian consumption by working a machine a couple more hours a week.
To meet their economic level we have to do massive exporting.
Then look at India and their production.
It is only kept alive by high duties. How much would that $40 CTC tool box cost if made here with India production hours at Canadian wage rates?
The Indian tin knockers do amazing work with primitive tooling but the cost would be a joke here. Throw in labour laws, safety equipment etc and Canada is toast.
Mad Mike
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Not sure what your point is. According to Dan Darrah, the hard left socalist poet you referenced, 22 of Tim's 4300 stores had a hiring crisis after the pandemic. Seems to me that's not too bad, 100% of the many restaurants I frequent faced a hiring crisis in the same period.Talk to someone with a timmies franchise.
Tim Hortons has made extensive use of the federal Temporary Foreign Worker Program (TFWP) to propel their expansion in the 2010s. The federal government — read: the public — therefore underwrote the company’s growth by providing a dispensable workforce. Franchisees have gotten heat for abuses against temporary foreign workers, including tip and wage theft and threats of deportation.
Canadians Don’t Want to Work at Tim Hortons
After decades of flagrant profiteering and attacking workers’ rights, Tim Hortons is now struggling to find people willing to work for them.
Pouring coffee into a cup is a minimum wage job, traditionally a staple for student and part-time workers. You're gonna have to explain how the foreign worker is cheap? Or cheaper? As one who has had to use he program myself, I can assure you there is nothing easy or cheap for an employer.
Mad Mike
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Canadian manufacturers can often compete with China if labor works with them, not when they don't.
When a union tells me I can't add automate a production line, or use tech to make an operation more efficient or pay someone $30/hr to pour coffee into a cup -- I can't compete with China.
Products... hmmm, how about bananas? That's a product, grown and harvested with low-cost labor. Would you be willing to buy bananas for $5 each? That's about what it would cost to grow one in Canada.
Mad Mike
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I'm going to use the banana example again - grown and harvested using low-cost labor. It would cost $5 to produce one in Canada, we know how to grow bananas, should be taxing import ed bananas too?
With a large amount of stuff coming from China, jacking tariffs to "level the playing field" will.... wait for it.... increase inflation. Even if those widgets all come back manufacturing wise, costs increase making it here (vs today there) and that increases..... inflation. Does it mean higher tariffs are not possible? Not really but there is a cost...
I don't consider investment in machinery/education/training to be the same as free electricity and gov't subsidies for exported (inferior) goods with restricted wages.
In any case, it'll never happen, and, more importantly, it's currently not needed. If the labour shortage is as bad as I've read, there's no need to exacerbate it. Same reasoning applies to the grants to VW and Stellantis.
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2nd largest country in the world, no? lol a housing crisis
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At least 20% of Canadian MPs hold rental, investment real estate amid housing crunch - National | Globalnews.ca
At least 65 Canadian MPs own real estate assets, including 42 Liberals and 19 Conservative MPs, as the country grapples with a housing unaffordability crunch.
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I have to explain nothing.You asked where to get cheap foreign workers and I showed you they're used at timmies. If they cost more than domestic labour why would tims bring them in.
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You have to pay tfw's the same or very close to the same as domestics workers. You also have to pay foreign recruiters, program fees, and other costs.. tfw's are not cheap labor.
New laws are coming in right now.. that will crack down on abuses in the program and throughout the temp labor industry as a whole.
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It's not just a cost issue, I used that program a few years ago, I neede a part time purchasing agent who could speak Hindi and English, I was paying $25/hr in 2013 and couldn't find one. A uni student qualified and I hired her thru the program. I saved nothing, the process cost me 3 months and about $1000 in filings.
There is a limit to what a business can pay, if they can't find labour they move or clos, sometimes you can't pat $25/hr to fill coffee cups -- it's that simple.
By the way, 2 of those hiring crisis Tim Hortons stores are in my hood -- they are now closed, both had been there 20+ years. They were lineup-busy but the owners couldn't get staff (Markham Rd & 7, Markham Rd & 16th locations).
There is a LOT of horrifying history to the price of bananas. Bad example.
... or maybe you're in favor of that sort of thing.
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SnazzyBalkan
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franchise owners also rent their investment property to the TFWs so they can live and work at the franchise
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