Boat Rentals

[MacDoc]

Yep that's the tough one.
here'a a wonderful adventure and covers what it feels like

Reminds me of my best 9k day in Ontario having lunch in the Grob.
I recall seeing a 747 in the pattern for Pearson and I was looking at it from above...stuck with me..
Don't think I've seen a successful multi-day journey like this.
I only flew in rain once...fast elevator down.
The noise is the audible indicator for the vario showing if he is in rising or falling airmass.
Sailing in 3 dimensions
That first episode was terrific. Will watch the rest tomorrow.
I only did on 50 km cross country flight and it was fun. Gets expensive part of the sport to the longer flights...chase cars etc.
Reading the comments on that first episode is fun.

 

[nobbie48]

I never had any issues finding passengers who wanted to fly with me. Everyone think's it's cool flying in a GA aircraft, both the experience and the sights. And sometimes I'd let them take the controls and actually fly the plane under direct supervision.

But, the pool of people willing to "chip in" (a non commercial pilot cannot, *ahem*, charge for flights) was much smaller.

Ironically my wife never flew with me once. Her minimum requirements for flying is that the aircraft has a bathroom, and takes her somewhere warmer than where she took off from, preferably with palm trees.

Airplanes are expensive things that take you to expensive places to visit. When the motor isn't running they are of no interest to anyone that isn't wearing a propeller beanie.

Boats are expensive things that can take you to free anchorages where you can enjoy the scenery from less than thousands of feet away.

Motorcycles are for dancing around curves

 

[PrivatePilot]

My understanding is many plane rental places are pretty restrictive on a plane going into international landings . That whole drug run thing cost them a lot of airplanes .

It was a joke but I guess I came across too seriously. No outfit would let you do it anyways, not only insurance, but even if the total hobbs/engine hours (the actually billable part) were, say, 50 hours, the other 3 weeks where the plane sat idle at some distance airport technically bills zero, but yeah, that's not gonna happen on a typical rental as those 3 weeks idle that aircraft is not only unavailable to any other renters, but earns zero. Heck, even when I was actively flying they wanted you to keep sitting time to a minimum vs your rental block, ie don't fly 30 minutes to Peterborough and sit for a 2 hour lunch and fly 30 minutes back, trying to pay for 1.25 on the Hobbs (including warmup and taxi times) while actually having the aircraft for an almost 4 hour block of time.

And if they billed you for sitting time as well, it would quickly become financially stupid, it would be cheaper to buy your own aircraft in the end vs renting something for a month.

Even a part share of a private aircraft would be tough, you'd have to convince the other owner(s) to give up their access for the duration of your time away.

As for gliding, yeah...not for me. Never had much appeal honestly - I liked the technical aspects of flying as much as I liked the actual act of flying, the scenery, etc. But I think I'd rather spend an hour flying circuits with different approaches and techniques and improving/mastering all the technical bits vs just floating around for an hour looking out the window and hunting updrafts.

Aside, I'm not as, *ahem*....svelte as I once was anymore. I'd make squeaky balloon noises trying to get into a glider and likely be way out of any CG limits as well. There's a reason I don't ride horses anymore either.

Not sure if lol or <sigh> here.

 

[MacDoc]

Yeah that's an issue...I showed up at SOSA many years after my "skinny pilot" days and got owl eyes from the safety officer. I told him my cute friend was going on a demo ride.

Liked flying that Blanik ...Polish military trainer, rattled like crazy if near stall but good to fly, flaps, retractable landing gear. Scared my business associate who didn't believe sailplanes were aerobatic...loafed along after pull off from the tow and lulled him then pulled VERY steep wing overs.
Rather blue language from him

Sailplanes lined up for the Nationals at SOSA
You'd likely enjoy the x-country and competition aspect...it is highly technical and challenging.....different every single time.
Local flying not so much, fun to chase gulls and hawks through thermals and take noobs on their first flight.
Competition costs.
Ozempic can take the weight off pretty quick. I could qualify for a sailplane seat now at 108 kg down from 132 ....and fit in the seat.

One good thing about saliplanes there is very little maintenance and the value tends to go up over time. Shared plane ownership is popular.
This plane is about $13k US with instruments and trailer

Grob G 102 Astir CS

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[crankcall]

Sailplanes are like boats in that 15k can get you in the air , or 500k for a new German wizardry plane . At least the inspections and annuals don’t cost a fortune and there is no xxx hrs engine rebuild .

Back to boats, I passed my ROC-M DSC endorsement radio licence , so I’m legally allowed to turn my radio on ……



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[nobbie48]

Sailplanes are like boats in that 15k can get you in the air , or 500k for a new German wizardry plane . At least the inspections and annuals don’t cost a fortune and there is no xxx hrs engine rebuild .

Back to boats, I passed my ROC-M DSC endorsement radio licence , so I’m legally allowed to turn my radio on ……



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I used my aircraft licence when I was boating. I'm not sure what the difference was.

 

[nobbie48]

It was a joke but I guess I came across too seriously. No outfit would let you do it anyways, not only insurance, but even if the total hobbs/engine hours (the actually billable part) were, say, 50 hours, the other 3 weeks where the plane sat idle at some distance airport technically bills zero, but yeah, that's not gonna happen on a typical rental as those 3 weeks idle that aircraft is not only unavailable to any other renters, but earns zero. Heck, even when I was actively flying they wanted you to keep sitting time to a minimum vs your rental block, ie don't fly 30 minutes to Peterborough and sit for a 2 hour lunch and fly 30 minutes back, trying to pay for 1.25 on the Hobbs (including warmup and taxi times) while actually having the aircraft for an almost 4 hour block of time.

And if they billed you for sitting time as well, it would quickly become financially stupid, it would be cheaper to buy your own aircraft in the end vs renting something for a month.

Even a part share of a private aircraft would be tough, you'd have to convince the other owner(s) to give up their access for the duration of your time away.

As for gliding, yeah...not for me. Never had much appeal honestly - I liked the technical aspects of flying as much as I liked the actual act of flying, the scenery, etc. But I think I'd rather spend an hour flying circuits with different approaches and techniques and improving/mastering all the technical bits vs just floating around for an hour looking out the window and hunting updrafts.

Aside, I'm not as, *ahem*....svelte as I once was anymore. I'd make squeaky balloon noises trying to get into a glider and likely be way out of any CG limits as well. There's a reason I don't ride horses anymore either.

Not sure if lol or <sigh> here.

Someone booked a C-172 out of Brampton for a couple of days to go south. Only being VFR rated they ran into IFR conditions and had to land somewhere along the Blue Ridge to sit it out. The Wx report said a long wait so they bussed home, paid an IFR commercial pilot to go get the plane rather than pay the 6-7 hours Hobbs time per day.

It was an expensive non vacation.

 

[crankcall]

I used my aircraft licence when I was boating. I'm not sure what the difference was.

The protocol would be very similar, and I have an ROC-A , the differences are some terminology that is air/marine specific. And with your Air licence you wouldn’t need to know Canadian coast guard working channels or any digital selective calling , ( like you never use Chanel 70) .
The biggest factor IMO to be licenced is so you know protocols and don’t jam up channels with idle banter . Fish buddies looking for each other on 16 is a never ending Lake Ontario thing . No one is ever going to write you a ticket for making a radio call in an emergency, but knowing how to do it correctly could save a life . For cottage lake boats it’s an almost non issue , if you play in bigger lakes and end up on the US side , which is easy in St Clair river or StLawrence , you actually also need a station licence for the radio on the boat. It sounds like overkill till you meet the US coastguard on training day. ( it can be $1000) .
I moved my license up because I need it to charter in Europe , Caribbean aren’t so fussy , but Greece and Italy are sticklers .


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[GreyGhost]

Yeah that's an issue...I showed up at SOSA many years after my "skinny pilot" days and got owl eyes from the safety officer. I told him my cute friend was going on a demo ride.
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Liked flying that Blanik ...Polish military trainer, rattled like crazy if near stall but good to fly, flaps, retractable landing gear. Scared my business associate who didn't believe sailplanes were aerobatic...loafed along after pull off from the tow and lulled him then pulled VERY steep wing overs.
Rather blue language from him

Sailplanes lined up for the Nationals at SOSAView attachment 70889
You'd likely enjoy the x-country and competition aspect...it is highly technical and challenging.....different every single time.
Local flying not so much, fun to chase gulls and hawks through thermals and take noobs on their first flight.
Competition costs.
Ozempic can take the weight off pretty quick. I could qualify for a sailplane seat now at 108 kg down from 132 ....and fit in the seat.

One good thing about saliplanes there is very little maintenance and the value tends to go up over time. Shared plane ownership is popular.
This plane is about $13k US with instruments and trailer
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Grob G 102 Astir CS

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I saw a self-launching glider at edenvale this year. A small electric motor and prop allowed it to get going and then you're a glider once up so it doesn't need a huge battery. Cool concept. Opens up a lot of landing spots as you are not limited to glider clubs or the trailer of shame.

 

[PrivatePilot]

The Wx report said a long wait so they bussed home, paid an IFR commercial pilot to go get the plane rather than pay the 6-7 hours Hobbs time per day

That’s a possible solution if the aircraft is actually IFR rated. Not all rentals are. Of the 5-6 rentals I regularly flew when I was current 20 years ago, only 1 was actually IFR.

 

[crankcall]

Even if you could launch and land wherever, I’d sure be wary. Golf courses will bill you tens of thousands for fairways repair and a cornfield will destroy the plane . Never a big lawn when you’d want one .


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[GreyGhost]

Even if you could launch and land wherever, I’d sure be wary. Golf courses will bill you tens of thousands for fairways repair and a cornfield will destroy the plane . Never a big lawn when you’d want one .


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Given the size of the prop, I have my doubts about launching from dodgy surfaces. For many many reasons, I'd try to keep my landings at aerodromes. They give you a nice long and hard surface to launch from.

I didn't get a chance to talk to the pilot. I have no idea how taxiing works. IIRC it had bicycle gear so I guess you get out and push.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Given the size of the prop, I have my doubts about launching from dodgy surfaces. For many many reasons, I'd try to keep my landings at aerodromes. They give you a nice long and hard surface to launch from.

I didn't get a chance to talk to the pilot. I have no idea how taxiing works. IIRC it had bicycle gear so I guess you get out and push.

At least when I was flying airports were not particularly excited about dealing with stuff like that. Particularly controlled airspace airports. I remember Oshawa basically said no to powered paraglider type stuff as the pilots were not of adequate skill in dealing with traffic as well as radio work, and the aircraft not really suitable for playing nice with other general aviation aircraft as well as the occasional jet.

 

[nobbie48]

Even if you could launch and land wherever, I’d sure be wary. Golf courses will bill you tens of thousands for fairways repair and a cornfield will destroy the plane . Never a big lawn when you’d want one .


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Disney in Orlando owns the lake but can’t stop you from landing your amphibian. However they can stop you from taking off so you call your mechanic to disassemble your plane and cart it away

 

[PrivatePilot]

Back on the topic of boat shopping, my sister did go up to Midland and look at the prospect up there. My BIL and I had gone up already to check it out mechanically. Thanks to the broker for facilitating that. It has some snags, but nothing really showstopper aside from a dead converter/charger which I'd like to think would be negotiated into any offer to purchase. Engine sync guage dead, tachs erratic, one trim indicator erratic...but meh, all fixable.

She liked it I think, but she also recognizes that from the perspective of my BIL or me actually working on it, it was no bueno. Neither of us could really even fit properly into the engine bay, and even things like checking the oil much less anything complicated. Looking at things like the hot water tank, jeebus...if you ever needed to change it you'd have to take a TON of stuff off the port engine. I've no idea how you'd even get to the starters on either engine if you needed to swap those. You'd need to be a midget with double joints to do any sort of serious work in there.

So, back to the drawing board.

 

[crankcall]

It’s easy to see why outboards are taking such a high piece of the market , even on 30-35ft boats . You can work on it , marine tech just lifts it off with a boom truck if it comes to that . More space inside the boat and better maneuvering. Single screw you may have a chance, as soon as the second engine goes in the hole it’s so much harder.


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[nobbie48]

It’s easy to see why outboards are taking such a high piece of the market , even on 30-35ft boats . You can work on it , marine tech just lifts it off with a boom truck if it comes to that . More space inside the boat and better maneuvering. Single screw you may have a chance, as soon as the second engine goes in the hole it’s so much harder.


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A buddy moved from a 20' I/O to a 19' outboard and he figured his maintenance costs dropped by 50%. He trailered his boats and did most of his maintenance.

 

[crankcall]

I’m really on the fence , I love the look of a clean transom . And in big boats 3-5 300hp motors bolted up is the new big penis substitute. But it’s hard to argue against the extra space and ease of service.


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[nobbie48]

I’m really on the fence , I love the look of a clean transom . And in big boats 3-5 300hp motors bolted up is the new big penis substitute. But it’s hard to argue against the extra space and ease of service.


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Having that weight hanging off the rear changes the boat design. My Chris craft was designed for a single inboard and when they stuffed a 5L I/O right at the back it rode too bow high. A super comfortable sofa across the back added to the workload of the trim tabs.

I mused about a 60HP outboard on brackets but the cost / ugly factors shot that down. 60 HP would be fine for doing the Trent and Rideau.

 

[crankcall]

Lot of conversions have been done using rear ballast boxes to support outboard weight . Two problems , they are not always pretty and the per ft length of the boat can go up 6ft .


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