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the guy scrapping the 36 is an Air Canada pilot , not on the triple7 , just an Airbus so he's only a 285K a year guy.

The Limestone series built by Madieros was a very well made boat , couple friends owned them . For a cuddy cabin boat they really held value , if fact still do . DOF ( the fish cops) and MNR are moving heavily to Kanter and Stanely aluminum boats . Easier to maintain , cost about t
he same upfront as glass , better in some cases and 100% recycleable at end of life. I'd love an older limestone but i am leaning towards a Ranger Tug, older one in Montreal for 60K , Yanmar deisel which is less desirable to new owners than a yamaha 250 , but I got offred a C&C 32 today , which is not my favorite , but it would be on wifes radar .
 
crankcall said:
the guy scrapping the 36 is an Air Canada pilot , not on the triple7 , just an Airbus so he's only a 285K a year guy.

The Limestone series built by Madieros was a very well made boat , couple friends owned them . For a cuddy cabin boat they really held value , if fact still do . DOF ( the fish cops) and MNR are moving heavily to Kanter and Stanely aluminum boats . Easier to maintain , cost about t
he same upfront as glass , better in some cases and 100% recycleable at end of life. I'd love an older limestone but i am leaning towards a Ranger Tug, older one in Montreal for 60K , Yanmar deisel which is less desirable to new owners than a yamaha 250 , but I got offred a C&C 32 today , which is not my favorite , but it would be on wifes radar .
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Rangers have a cult following, personally I don’t see the value unless your playing in sheltered waters of the Pacific NW.

They are tough, compact, and can handle big water…. But they are tiny inside, only 180 mile flat water cruising range, and you have to run from an enclosed pilot house which is like piloting in a sweat lodge in our climate.

In our area, I’d look boat that isn’t scary on the Great Lakes, loopable, open bridge, 400 mile range, and for 2 people I’d need 32’ min and a 12’ beam.

Like bikes, boats are To each his own.
 
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Ranger diesel R-27 has a range of 400 miles at 7kts , 280 at low 20s . They are small inside but trailerable all the way to FLA . No additional permits once past Georgia . Open the windows if it’s breezy, crank up the AC if needed. It does have a cult following.


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crankcall said:
Ranger diesel R-27 has a range of 400 miles at 7kts , 280 at low 20s . They are small inside but trailerable all the way to FLA . No additional permits once past Georgia . Open the windows if it’s breezy, crank up the AC if needed. It does have a cult following.


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That looks like something my buddy recently bought...but since I don't know a thing about those, I couldn't tell.

But they do look a whole lot similar.
 
Tug style and trawler boats are the adventure bikes of boating right now . It’s a style thing


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You could take a Nordic around the world , built like a proverbial brick out house . Price of a house new , a Rosedale house .


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I saw a 97 Nordic 42’ today, it looked like new. Only 300hrs on the single BT6. Other than needing a good buff, it looked like new. Listed at $190k, broker said start at $125, he guaranteed to get the deal done at $150.

Saw a beauty 32 Bayliner with twin Hinos, $9999! 1700hrs, looked like a 5 year old boat.

Going to see a Silverton 34 with twin detroits with 600khs SMOH, asking $15k.

RV lots have banners up listing 45% discounts off MSRP on units delivered inNovember.

Toys are getting cheep!!!
 
Mad Mike said:
RV lots have banners up listing 45% discounts off MSRP on units delivered inNovember.
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RV's have always been insanely overpriced for what they are, got to full potato level of insane during covid, and now the market has collapsed because everyone who bought during covid is trying to sell, the inflated prices they paid means they're insanely upside down, and some are just getting plain out repo'd now (further pressuring the used market), so dealers can't move new stock worth a damn. I hope the dealers saved some of their obscene profits they made during covid as it's going to be a bloodbath for the next probably 5 years at minimum.

 
PrivatePilot said:
RV's have always been insanely overpriced for what they are, got to full potato level of insane during covid, and now the market has collapsed because everyone who bought during covid is trying to sell, the inflated prices they paid means they're insanely upside down, and some are just getting plain out repo'd now (further pressuring the used market), so dealers can't move new stock worth a damn. I hope the dealers saved some of their obscene profits they made during covid as it's going to be a bloodbath for the next probably 5 years at minimum.

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It was bloodshed years back when mortgages soared to 20%+ and boats were being dumped for any amount that reduced overall debt. Sell a boat with a $90K loan on it for $45K and your overall debt is reduced. Lose the boat but keep your home.
 
Mad Mike said:
I saw a 97 Nordic 42’ today, it looked like new. Only 300hrs on the single BT6. Other than needing a good buff, it looked like new. Listed at $190k, broker said start at $125, he guaranteed to get the deal done at $150.

Saw a beauty 32 Bayliner with twin Hinos, $9999! 1700hrs, looked like a 5 year old boat.

Going to see a Silverton 34 with twin detroits with 600khs SMOH, asking $15k.

RV lots have banners up listing 45% discounts off MSRP on units delivered inNovember.

Toys are getting cheep!!!
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The 32 Bayliner would interest me if it's what I thought. I was told they were made by Mainship and not the usual Bayliner "Line the bottom of the bay" crew. If the boat was free and solid it's still a $10,000 yearly expense.

That's the part that scares me. Buy a $50K boat under distress conditions for $10K and pay $10K a year for five years until conditions improve is not an investment. It's subsidized fun and rarely happens. I can count on the thumbs of one hand the times I've made money on a boat.
 
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If the boat was free and solid it's still a $10,000 yearly expense.
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Slips are cheaper if you get out of the fancy yacht clubs and onto some of the smaller places on the Trent. ;)
 
But it’s not just slip fees , it’s insurance and winterizing and oil changes in the summer and something always needs serviced .
And fancy yacht clubs have a second function, I can go to Chicago , or Barcelona, or Royal Sydney and have dinner or a beer . We have even sent letters of introduction ahead and arranged to crew on a race night , been treated to beverages at the St Francis and been loaned cars to go get groceries on Lake Ontario. A yacht club is much more than a blue blazer , and handier .


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But it’s not just slip fees , it’s insurance and winterizing and oil changes in the summer and something always needs serviced .
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If you’re handy you can do a lot of that yourself. Winterizing my sister and BIL’s current boat is about a 60 minute DIY affair. Plumbing system is winterized at the slip a few days before it comes out, takes longer to bypass the hot water tank than anything else. Then boat comes out, change fluid in both stern drives while it’s sitting on the trailer and then raise the drives to transit position. Batteries are pulled. Engines are heat exchangers so winterizing them is literally 5 minutes each to pull the end caps from the heat exchangers and letting them gravity drain, but even a raw water engine can be winterized quick DIY. Then the boat goes away to its inside storage and that’s that until spring.

I’m pretty sure they’re doing an entire season for about $5K.

The extra stuff at a yacht club wouldn’t mean much to them but I guess I see the value there if you’re more into the scene. They just want a place to retreat to and are often (This year excluded with one engine nearing deceased) on the water vs the slip.
 
crankcall said:
But it’s not just slip fees , it’s insurance and winterizing and oil changes in the summer and something always needs serviced .
And fancy yacht clubs have a second function, I can go to Chicago , or Barcelona, or Royal Sydney and have dinner or a beer . We have even sent letters of introduction ahead and arranged to crew on a race night , been treated to beverages at the St Francis and been loaned cars to go get groceries on Lake Ontario. A yacht club is much more than a blue blazer , and handier .


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Boat ownership is not an investment - that should be clear to anyone who wants in. If you’re into prestige want to be hands off and own a yacht- you need to be wealthy. I know an HVAC tech that has been looping a Mainship with his wife for 2 years. Watch the kid on InTooDeep to see power-yachting on a shoestring budget.

As far as clubs go, belonging to any decent yacht club gets reciprocal yacht club privileges and other courtesies from clubs, local and worldwide. Expect clubhouse access and cheap or free docking while travelling, and peer courtesies if you’re an exec (free rum to Commodores).

It’s nothing close to what you’d see from a higher end golf membership, but good boat stuff.
 
Mad Mike said:
Boat ownership is not an investment - that should be clear to anyone who wants in. If you’re into prestige want to be hands off and own a yacht- you need to be wealthy. I know an HVAC tech that has been looping a Mainship with his wife for 2 years. Watch the kid on InTooDeep to see power-yachting on a shoestring budget.

As far as clubs go, belonging to any decent yacht club gets reciprocal yacht club privileges and other courtesies from clubs, local and worldwide. Expect clubhouse access and cheap or free docking while travelling, and peer courtesies if you’re an exec (free rum to Commodores).

It’s nothing close to what you’d see from a higher end golf membership, but good boat stuff.
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Camaraderie has different classes even if it’s a marina instead of yacht club. You’ll know when you’re in the right one
 
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PrivatePilot said:
If you’re handy you can do a lot of that yourself. Winterizing my sister and BIL’s current boat is about a 60 minute DIY affair. Plumbing system is winterized at the slip a few days before it comes out, takes longer to bypass the hot water tank than anything else. Then boat comes out, change fluid in both stern drives while it’s sitting on the trailer and then raise the drives to transit position. Batteries are pulled. Engines are heat exchangers so winterizing them is literally 5 minutes each to pull the end caps from the heat exchangers and letting them gravity drain, but even a raw water engine can be winterized quick DIY. Then the boat goes away to its inside storage and that’s that until spring.

I’m pretty sure they’re doing an entire season for about $5K.

The extra stuff at a yacht club wouldn’t mean much to them but I guess I see the value there if you’re more into the scene. They just want a place to retreat to and are often (This year excluded with one engine nearing deceased) on the water vs the slip.
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Winterizing is never a 60 minute affair on a 30’ boat. An experienced owner in a lucky year will do it in 1 day.

Power washing a 30’ hull takes 6 hours, another hour to inspect and inspect a clean zincs, an hour for changing out drive fluids, LOF an hour per engine. Another hour to purge and antifreeze head and galley freshwater and drains. Then you have prep time for shrink wrap - removing any antenna for radios and radar, setting up desiccants, then moving the boat to its winter sleeping spot.

Some years you’re going to have to deal with driveshaft & bellows (or shaft seals and cutlass bearings), changing thruhuls, changing window seals, repairing/replacing canvas, lights, window and door seals.

It’s a **** ton of work no matter how old the boat is.
 
Mad Mike said:
Winterizing is never a 60 minute affair on a 30’ boat. An experienced owner in a lucky year will do it in 1 day.

Power washing a 30’ hull takes 6 hours, another hour to inspect and inspect a clean zincs, an hour for changing out drive fluids, LOF an hour per engine. Another hour to purge and antifreeze head and galley freshwater and drains. Then you have prep time for shrink wrap - removing any antenna for radios and radar, setting up desiccants, then moving the boat to its winter sleeping spot.

Some years you’re going to have to deal with driveshaft & bellows (or shaft seals and cutlass bearings), changing thruhuls, changing window seals, repairing/replacing canvas, lights, window and door seals.

It’s a **** ton of work no matter how old the boat is.
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And in the spring it’s part 2
 
Mad Mike said:
Winterizing is never a 60 minute affair on a 30’ boat. An experienced owner in a lucky year will do it in 1 day.
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Well, hey, I guess we’re doing it wrong as we’ve been doing a 35’er in about 60 minutes for close to 10 years now.

Hull blasting is someone else’s job and admittedly no included in that time But it’s not getting a 6 hour wash, that’s for sure.

Zincs are a quick inspection. Yep, they’re there. Replace when needed. Doesn’t seem to need them regularly.

It doesn’t get shrinked as it’s stored inside, and at a place near enough to the marina that the top doesn’t even need to come off or even be folded down.

I don’t count repairs like bellows and such as part of winterization, those are repairs. Separate line entry.

Sounds like this is one of the differences between “fancy yacht club owner with deep pockets” vs “owner operator willing to get hands dirty and not throwing money around” marina boat owners.

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nobbie48 said:
Camaraderie has different classes even if it’s a marina instead of yacht club. You’ll know when your in the right one
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Difference is when you’re in a club, some of the reciprocals are in place by agreement, when they are not they are still there by professional courtesy.

If you slip your 32 Owen’s at Changs Landing in Keswick, you might get some comrade love across the bay from a member you know at KonTiki - show up at BHYC and your only hope for a comp overnight slip or a rum sip with a Commodore is by arranging it thru GTAM.
 
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