blackberry 10

It looks like a solid product, I think that it is going to take third spot easily and put some serious pressure on Apple and Google.

I'm not sure about that yet. But from everything I've seen and heard, it should gain some serious traction against the Windows phone. RIM just needs to beat them and gradually build market share to stay relevant. Hopefully, their marketing machine and the steady updates and polishing of the OS will achieve this.

They had a celebrity there and were giving away playbooks to the first 250 people.

A lot of people I know ordered/per-ordered their devices. No lineups, just waiting to go pick them up/have them delivered.

Any publicity is good publicity. We'll take it.
 
It looks like a solid product, I think that it is going to take third spot easily and put some serious pressure on Apple and Google.

Yep, hard to come to any other conclusion.

Here's how I figure it: The key cell phone target markets are business and youth.

While I'm not knowledgeable about BB as an enterprise solution I'm pretty sure neither iPhone nor Android have it beat.

As for youth, BB seems to have all the necessary ingredients in place to wow them with this phone. First and foremost for me is the virtual keyboard. It has gone largely unreported but it appears to be the best out there, and certainly leagues ahead of the iPhone keyboard. To me, this is the phone's "killer app". The appeal to youth is that it makes their favourite cell phone activities; texting and messaging, a whole lot easier. Next is the BB Hub, where all the kids can monitor and update their social media a lot easier than they used to. The other thing is the availability of the most popular games, which even if they aren't a youth-specific feature, they are important in the effort to retain their interest .

None of this ensures success, because they still have to get their phones on people's radars, and they also have to make sure they become the 'must have' cool phones of the day. The mere fact that it's an all-new phone and OS already gives it an edge in the 'cool' factor. On top of that, they signed up Alicia Keys as a glorified spokesperson for the new phones. There is nothing kids like to do more than ape their idols so here support is a powerful way to whip up a frenzy for the phones. We know they have commited a huge marketing budget to the launch, including a superbowl ad, and a series of BB videos produced in major cities worldwide by celebrities.

So they are attacking the market on two fronts with absolutely all the right ingredients. Considering that they have been hanging in there for what, 7 years with outdated products? And considering that this phone can only increase their market share, there's only one conclusion to draw.

And this is only the North American perspective. In the rest of the world they have always been much more respected so they're starting from a much stronger footing.
 
A lot of people I know ordered/per-ordered their devices. No lineups, just waiting to go pick them up/have them delivered.

This is my experience with buyers i spoke with...pre order and get it mailed out, **** waiting in line like a sucka. BB people are busy and have jobs.
 
Remember... when the iPhone was launched in 2007, many if not all the tech reviewers complained a lot about it too. Same stupid story... lack of features, lousy battery, unfinished software, no cut and paste, etc.

Here you go :

http://www.anandtech.com/show/2265
http://gizmodo.com/276116/apple-iphone-review


It's normal human nature to be critical of something you are not familiar with, or is entirely new to you as is the case with the current tech reviewers who have been using iPhones and Androids for years. Suddenly a new OS throws them off, because they are unfamiliar with it.

However, you will note, that many of these same reviewers, after spending more time with the new BB, admit, that its a pretty slick system overall.

If you watched the RIM launch demo, the guy demoing the unit was blazing fast with the OS swiping and moving with efficiency. Faster and more efficient than anybody could be using a rivals OS. This is the point, he was obviously familiar with how to get the best out of the BB OS.

The issues many are complaining about are mostly minor software issues. Easy peasy for RIM to rewrite and set up for updates. This is what Android and iOS do isn't it?

The Z10 is being compared to the 3rd and 4th generation of Galaxy Phones, and the 5 or 6th generation of iPhone. Those companies have had a lot of time to polish their hardware and software.

For a first generation new OS and a brand new device from the ground up, I'd say RIM did one hell of a job with Z10.

Its not perfect, and if the market adopts and gives RIM more time, we can be sure it will mature further into a very competitive OS.

As we all know, when Apple launched the iPhone, the market was quite young. RIM has a much bigger battle to fight here against the established players. They are well aware of this, and if they can keep up with the blinding pace of tech development, they should stay relevant.

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Makes sense, however the problem BB really has is that group of die hards that have left them who are intimately familiar with BB and yet criticise it.

I went from whatever the hell was running on Sony Ericsson, loved the pants off the Ngage at one point, hated the Samsung touch screen on their own native OS before the Omnia, loved Windows CE then straight to BB6 and 7 (which I spend 3 years with). I was never enticed by the iPhone until the app argument really built up. I even stuck with BB and PB through that app phase only to discover how hollow the BB app market really is, with so much disfunction, stripped down versions and just plain crappy apps (some high end games excluded).

I dabbled in Android Honeycomb on the Sony tablet last year and while initially impressed with it's "slick over all performance" ultimately I was let down in under 2 weeks by its total lack of suitability for professional functionality. iStuff were toys and so was the Sony tablet. So no, I am not overly critical of an initial OS or product nor am I too delusional to stick it out with an inferior product. I am not ashamed to return a sub par product nor too riddled with buyers guilt to delude myself into justifying it.

So I gave BB a fair shake at the stick, and for a time it was doing a fair job, when the market was not as demanding or progressed. I don't mind a 3rd place product, or a 4th or 5th. I dont spend too much time commenting on Nokia and I don't lament the Sony Walkman phones anymore than mild fond nostalgia.

But RIM was something entirely different. RIM was a family member charting a drug riddled course, tossing their life away, that required intervention on behalf of the very same people they have both come to and claim to represent...Canadians. There failing is endemic of Canadian's shooting for 3rd best in general, constantly harping on about things like the Canada arm, or meddling in foreign military affairs to seem relavent. What we don't do is "go big or go home". BB had a chance to go BIG! And they literally blew it, not for lack of resources, human resources, or being outclassed, but because they completely dropped the ball and lost their drive, vision and hunger.

I would never slag off a company like Bombardier. They are no first rank Airplane manufacturer. But they don't shoot for 3rd either. They do their best and they have carved out a fine proud niche.

For those that think we are too small to be competitive on the global scene, I would cite the rise of Airbus, from a 4th tier airplane manufacturer after Boeing, Dehavellen and McDonald Douglas 20+ years ago. Look at what a medium sized country like France can do!

So I dont accept that BB should be playing for 3rd. I believe that to be defeatist.

We can coddle BB all we like but that does no one anygood. The stock is wiped already. Pensions are evaporated. A hand full of Nortel-esque jobs can be reabsorbed just the way RIM did. The problem is the culture of arrogance and defeatism!

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe they will pull out the second most amazing comeback, well third after Jesus and Apple! Maybe they wont die like a heavily subsidized Chrysler? Who knows, but want I want to see die is the culture and attitudes that brought them to their knees so fast and so hard!

PS, BB10 isnt so new to users to get familiar with....it is 80% standard QNX stuff on the PB....gesture here, gesture there, running "widgets", no apps, rather shortcuts to webpages, and so on. As I say BB10 is a 2+ year tweak on an already out of the box operating system RIM purchased!

Your argument about a young market when Apple launched the iPhone....well RIM was established then! In areas where Apple has been the market leader the way RIM was, they dont seemed to have fumbled their control in terms of MP3 players and personal video media devices! I don't even like Apple!!!! Their annoying hipster condenscending music in their commercials drives me nuts. I never play with my wife's iPhone. I am no Apple fan by any stretch. Nor am I loyal to any one brand, unless their product WORKS as described on the box!

The only refreshing thing about the launch as I see it, is the rebranding of RIM to BB and the rewording of the product description "on the box". It's no longer the business tool. It's no longer elitist chic. It's no longer a productive powerhouse. It no claiming "amatuer hour is over". I like that. Do what you do well, and leave the accolaids to those that will offer them to you in return.

PS, do I understand that the "cool", "pump them and dump them" set are worthy reps for the BB brand? Not so sure if BB want or need that in their corner; maybe the old RIM, but not the new BB. Yet one more stigma to shake off.
 
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Again?? whats your prediction? Awala gave it 6 months in an earlier post.

All the pundits said RIM would be bankrupt in 2008, then 9, then 10, then 11 and then they wouldn't have enough to launch in 12.

Die RIM, dieeeeeeeeee!

After the release, which was a decent effort, I'll revise to a stable unremarkable year average, with a respectable buy out and the company lives on in some form. I see a switch to this vertical integration taking much more resources and development than BB have the ability to keep pace with and it needing to be augmented by a larger parent company. Heins will bow out once the sale is complete having carried out his duties as a cleaner. They will live on in some form, 12,000 people world wide is too big to fail in a traditional up and bust fashion. Just look at HMV...sold off their North American arm 3 years ago, HMV proper went bankrupt in the UK a couple weeks ago, but will be bought out by the same company that bought their NA arm! This aint no Blockbuster full scale collapse. It ain't Kodak either. BB has more fight in them than that and QNX has potential, where as DVD rentals and film doesn't. Neither company had anything with potential ready to replace their main trade. BB has clearly replaced their maxed out OS. It isn't a format or paradigme shift as it was for the former companies, rather BB is still a digital software company and there is a certain flexibility within that range that they have displayed. Think Zellers to Target, that sort of thing. What would be inspiring though would be more like B&Q, if anyone gets that reference!
 
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That's ze German for 'The, Rim, Theeeeeeeee'

but yeah, RIM is dead. It's just BlackBerry now :)


Spot on! I was in Switzerland once and a commercial suddenly blasted on the TV in a Burger King. It bellowed DIE KING POMMES!!!!! The wife and I leaped up, half serious half joking....."holy shyt it's a revolution, let's get outta here!"

but of course what it said was "The King Fries"....but we were too soaked in the blood of aristocracy to stop our escape from the country!
 
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Yea.. I used to do that.. now I spend a small fortune in child support :(

I used to do that too, now I have some weird rash & sometimes it hurts when I pee:(
The other day I saw pus, do u think I should tell the doctor???

I make myself out to be super poor so they don't think I can even support anyways. I probably have a kid or two out there. Maybe I should have a second identity that I date with so if they try to hunt me down they are just going after an alias.
One day a punk is gonna give you a beating, only to find out its your son


Again?? whats your prediction? Awala gave it 6 months in an earlier post.

All the pundits said RIM would be bankrupt in 2008, then 9, then 10, then 11 and then they wouldn't have enough to launch in 12.

Die RIM, dieeeeeeeeee!

I'll give it a little over 6mths. I'm not gonna debate, only take bets
 
i could use a steak dinner< i'll go a C note on this. 1 year, I'm making a note on my BB calander, thanks rockerguy
 
hey guys we are launching today--- phone showing up in April!!!!

what a joke.
 
i could use a steak dinner< i'll go a C note on this. 1 year, I'm making a note on my BB calander, thanks rockerguy

He's no player...you've got a better chance collecting the tissues he uses to jerk off in than a c-note.
 
As long as we keep seeing stuff like this, BB should stay relevant

[BB10 Z10 released today in the UK]

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From RFD:

What this article 'forgets' to mention is that the store in question had an appearance from Pixi Lotte (Popular singer in the UK) and they were giving playbooks out to the first 250 purchases - even Phone4u where the picture comes from titled it


"Queuing to see Pixie at the launch of the @UK_BlackBerry in white on Oxford St London"


So anyone got any pictures of queues where there are no celebrity appearances?


Anyone got one of those and we have something to talk about....


EDIT: The article has been edited to include the Pixi Lotte appearance - so no I didn't miss it when I read it.
 
You guys realize that if RIM didn't buy QNX they would have been absolutely dead in the water at this point! Seems to me like QNX is the real potential in the kind of way a ATM OS or an industry standard software like Quark, Quicken, or Corel Draw was. Not like a custom built client software though...more like a good generic base. They will have a good hold across many businesses, nice and stable income, but could eventually be displaced due to lack of development.

http://www.qnx.com/products/qnxcar/index.html

I wonder if BB will gradually merge into a QNX developer with some handsets for consumer consumption or QNX will be sold off in a liquidation sale as a unique value / asset entity. I'm not really convinced BB patents are still able to generate any value enough to be attractive to buy. Aside from QNX what is the value in BB at the moment? I'm curious.
 
hey guys we are launching today--- phone showing up in April!!!!

what a joke.

You can go buy a Z10 on Tuesday at any of the big 3 carriers. The qwerty keyboard one will be out mid-March. Silly yes, but they still have product out there.
 
You can go buy a Z10 on Tuesday at any of the big 3 carriers. The qwerty keyboard one will be out mid-March. Silly yes, but they still have product out there.

I like Canada and all, but i was talking about the market that matters.
There is no excuse for being that late for the US market. None. Especially since they were already over a year late.

Their execution is straight up terrible.
 
I like Canada and all, but i was talking about the market that matters.
There is no excuse for being that late for the US market. None. Especially since they were already over a year late.

Their execution is straight up terrible.

The only ones to blame in that instance are the US carriers. They've had the BB10 test units since early October, the same time the providers in the UK, South Africa, UAE etc got their hands on them. The smaller guys didn't get them until mid December and they'll have the Z10 by mid to end of Feb.
 
The only ones to blame in that instance are the US carriers. They've had the BB10 test units since early October, the same time the providers in the UK, South Africa, UAE etc got their hands on them. The smaller guys didn't get them until mid December and they'll have the Z10 by mid to end of Feb.

If the maker of a product can't get its product to market, its no one's fault but their own.
 
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