Shaman
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I didn't want to sue anyone. But when you're THAT mad... and they're literally telling you that your chances of death go up by the minute...
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I didn't want to sue anyone. But when you're THAT mad... and they're literally telling you that your chances of death go up by the minute...
I have a buddy who lives in a country with privatized healthcare. Average income is about 1/3 of what we take home here. They pay $500 a month (more than half of your average take-home salary) for a family of 3 just for health insurance that covers 70% of their costs not because they are fresh immigrants but because that's the health plan his wife has at work and it's one of the better ones. The clinic refused to see their little daughter because they were still "temporary residents" and needed a permanent resident guarantor for the bills. Yeah, the system may work for the filthy rich, but for the poor/middle classes.. Thanks but no thanks.
Edit: Just a note on the health care in that "capitalist paradise".. I had a wisdom tooth removal done down there as my mother in law heard that I was having some problems with one of them and forced the issue to the point of just paying for it.. Done under local... The assistant didn't even prepare enough of the drug for what was expected to be a difficult removal due to my age. Half of the procedure was done after the last of the anesthetic wore off and it included grinding the bone. Also saw the assistant wipe the sweat off her forehead with the back of her hand. They wouldn't even give me a proper pain control prescription, so I was stuck with OTC stuff and stupid pharmacists didn't even know what "ibuprofen" was. Lost more $$$ for time off work due to improper pain management than I would have paid to have it done properly here.
Edit: Just a note on the health care in that "capitalist paradise".. I had a wisdom tooth removal done down there as my mother in law heard that I was having some problems with one of them and forced the issue to the point of just paying for it.. Done under local... The assistant didn't even prepare enough of the drug for what was expected to be a difficult removal due to my age. Half of the procedure was done after the last of the anesthetic wore off and it included grinding the bone. Also saw the assistant wipe the sweat off her forehead with the back of her hand. They wouldn't even give me a proper pain control prescription, so I was stuck with OTC stuff and stupid pharmacists didn't even know what "ibuprofen" was. Lost more $$$ for time off work due to improper pain management than I would have paid to have it done properly here.
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This isn't the thread for it but I can relate. I had a procedure in the groin area that required me to be completely immobile for 8hrs. after to prevent rupture filling my bag with blood to size of grapefruit. A lot easier said than done. At the 4hr. mark a pain set into my lower back like I'd never felt before in my life 10/10. I dare not adjust for comfort. Any and all requests for effective (the good stuff wink wink) pain medicine was rejected. I could not understand this and the problem was compounded by the giggly nurse saying, as she left the room, if you need anything just ask. ARRRGH. When she came back an hour later and asked me how everything was going I completely lost it on her to the point it became a big hospital incident.
If you were actually serious about it that would be stupid.
Shaman
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I was definitely serious about causing a massive pain in the *** for them. And if I'd died as a result of their inattention, everyone involved deserved it. Most Canadians won't say crap if their mouth is full of it. I tend to be pretty forgiving and understanding of people but not when they know, as well as I do, that my critical healthcare THAT I HAVE PAID FOR ALL MY WORKING LIFE is not being taken care of. Reason unimportant. Even then, I waited 4 days without eating or sleeping properly before confronting them.
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You know why surgeries for gall bladders get bumped in a hospital with 4 OR's and 3 staff surgeons? Because they cant operate 24hrs a day and some pesky kid at his summer job had his arm ripped off and 12hrs get used up sewing it back on. Then some inconsiderate wank on the 401 gets tagged by a truck and him and his pregnant wife tie up an OR for 10-12 hrs while they try and save two or three lives.
Die from a gall bladder while your in hospital? In the remotest chance the bile duct would transfer a stone, you still have better odds collecting on a lottery.
Demand the level of service you've paid your whole life for, right. Threaten to sue staff? once they are done giggling at you, you'll get treated. (they gets threats of sue, letters to the administrators and chief of staff, threats of letters to certifying boards weekly)
Sometimes they get gift baskets.
Die from a gall bladder while your in hospital? In the remotest chance the bile duct would transfer a stone, you still have better odds collecting on a lottery.
Demand the level of service you've paid your whole life for, right. Threaten to sue staff? once they are done giggling at you, you'll get treated. (they gets threats of sue, letters to the administrators and chief of staff, threats of letters to certifying boards weekly)
Sometimes they get gift baskets.
You don't see a problem with that? Why is the hospital system structured like that? Routine surgery. What's wrong with building an efficient system?
That costs money, which comes from taxes.
or maybe there's a gravy train in the hospital system too. Let's make the nurses work harder. Heck, let's privatize nursing care and get rid of those pesky unions.
An efficient system costs money? More than an inefficient system? Nursing cost and unions are not the problem.
Sorry, I haven't read any.
Maybe they thought the itching from the shorn scrote would take your mind off it.
When I wrote, "make the nurses work harder", and "get rid of the pesky unions", etc. I didn't really mean it - just the opposite in fact. It was sarcasm. See, you did read some.
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Shaman
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I know exactly why. I also know they called me in immediately and put me on morphine for the pain (which is how I found out that morphine doesn't work for me) which I had for four days while they continuously took my blood every six hours and warned me that I had a cumulative chance of dying - which since you didn't bother to read what I said previous, I'll spell out for you: the longer I remained without the surgery the more likely I was to die... going up, BTW, by about 2% chance every day according to the staff.
Find me a lottery with 2% odds and I'm buying in. At four days in, I was at 8% likelihood... I'd buy a car full of tickets at those odds.
BTW, the reason for all those blood tests? I had traces of bile in my system, from lesions in my digestive tract. No big deal, amirite? Luckily it made me nauseous, so the fact that I couldn't eat or drink anything for days didn't bother me so much.
So instead, you'd lie there for days and say nothing while that 2% chance of a quick death worked its way up past 10%? You clearly don't understand math. Or the risks involved in a pancreas blockage. They sure didn't want me to leave in my condition, but you'd be fine, right?
As for blaming the nurses, who do you think relays information to the doctors? Why do you think that the nurse I heard getting a page was getting a page... maybe it's because the nurses also are involved in decisions? No, can't be, amirite? Who do you think decided that I was too risky NOT to take into the OR that night? Admittedly, most of the direction comes from the surgeons themselves, but I certainly didn't talk to the surgeon before they found me a time slot out of nowhere.
@#$% armchair experts. They're everywhere around here.
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No I meant I haven't read your "previous political posts", obviously I read the post I responded to. And besides, Uncle Rob said sarcasm doesn't carry well on the forum, try to get up to speed please.
They did not say but a bunch of them were just outside my door laughing. Anyway, good to see you're on top of the SS file.
kwtoxman
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The system sucks, but your percentages weren't much in the overall picture of health issues. Guaranteed that every person who got surgery ahead of you had a higher likelihood of dying.
Consider that your chance of dying of cancer (NOT incidence) is 23% over your life. And that your chance of dying of heart disease over your life is about 25%. Those are the more appropriate "lotteries" to compare.
If you want improved healthcare, then demand the government do it. It was that way years ago. It seems now that government is much more about being all things to all people now, so unless you believe in large scale socialism, then compromises have to be made. I myself believe that government needs to stop being all things and go back to focusing on a few main priorities. Though it is the minority opinion, since we see what is now de facto governance.
Consider that your chance of dying of cancer (NOT incidence) is 23% over your life. And that your chance of dying of heart disease over your life is about 25%. Those are the more appropriate "lotteries" to compare.
If you want improved healthcare, then demand the government do it. It was that way years ago. It seems now that government is much more about being all things to all people now, so unless you believe in large scale socialism, then compromises have to be made. I myself believe that government needs to stop being all things and go back to focusing on a few main priorities. Though it is the minority opinion, since we see what is now de facto governance.
That's a different lie.
How would one go about building an efficient health system?
You're either going to wait longer, pay more, exclude something, or let something slip through the cracks.
Unless of course you have a really, really big pile of money to draw from.
Different lie, yes subject morphed, but at the end of the day we're talking about institutions gone mad.
Routine surgery bumped for 4 days due to incoming emergencies. There's got to be a work around for that, those 4 days cost money for zero return.
