Whenever I buy a new power tool I want to use it ASAP. It confirms that my decision to buy it was correct.
I can't help but feel that buying a gun for protection is similar.
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Bicycle Protests
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I can't help but feel that buying a gun for protection is similar.
Dirty Frank
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True that but on the bright side most of us would only do that once.
Sky_high
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This guy took a radar gun to Toronto's High Park to check the speed of cars - Canadian Cycling Magazine
Police have been focusing on cyclists in this area. Yet, the velocities of the motorized vehicles are something else
Oh boy...the saga continues...
Mad Mike
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Yawn.This guy took a radar gun to Toronto's High Park to check the speed of cars - Canadian Cycling Magazine
Police have been focusing on cyclists in this area. Yet, the velocities of the motorized vehicles are something elsecyclingmagazine.ca
Oh boy...the saga continues...
Cops radar everyone, there's no passes for motorists while enforcement blitzes are running.
We really need to start requiring all adults riding bikes to get City of Toronto license plates and e-Bikes to get Limited Speed provincial plates.
Then sprinkle speed cameras in the park and voila, no more speeding, it's fair, and the city gets to make money.
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It doesn't pay to be courteous. A buddy, riding on a sidewalk, slowed down to pass a pedestrian, moved onto the boulevard, caught wheel and crashed.
Several years ago he had to hit the ditch to avoid a texting driver. Cycling may not be all that healthy after all.
Several years ago he had to hit the ditch to avoid a texting driver. Cycling may not be all that healthy after all.
Cyclists, drivers, motorcyclists and pedestrians should read and understand "Safety Guide for Cyclists - City of Toronto" that has been released in various forms over the years.
Starting with not riding on sidewalks, and riding a meter away from parked cars and the curb. Which not only gives you room to maneuver it also forces drivers to yield and change lanes to go around you.
For Toronto 14 years old is the limit for riding on a sidewalk. My friend is well over 14 YO.
My friend was riding on the road a number of years ago and glanced back to see a car about to run him down (texting is assumed). He had to hit the shoulder to avoid being run over, crashed the bike and was off work for several weeks due to strains and sprains. The driver kept going.
The recent sidewalk crash was on Dundas Street and he was riding cautiously. It would be noble for bicyclists to follow the letter of the law, endure the crashes, injuries and deaths until the carnage numbers made politicians do something about driver training and attitude.
Do we have any volunteers?
P.S. I've seen the police riding bicycles on the sidewalk and I don't blame them.
Ha. Cars should also provide the 1m gap as required by law but they don't. If that magical 1m was preserved, a bike becomes the size of a car and much of the advantage disappears.
There are certain locations, especially in Toronto where the sidewalk makes a lot of sense for bikes. Especially west of downtown, there are long stretches of dangerous road with zero pedestrians on the sidewalk. Ideally, they would pave a strip to provide a bike path without moral outrage even though it would cost money and not really have any real effect. If I am on a sidewalk, speeds are <20 km/h and most passes happen in the grass. I leave the whole concrete walk for pedestrians as they are the ones that are supposed to be there.
I got hit twice by cars squeezing through when I was too close to the curb. Nearly 20 years later of riding 1m from the curb and not a single accident since. Just ****** off drivers who get flipped the bird.
I got knocked off my bike by a City of Hamilton bus that kept going. I was right at the curb and the back corner of the bus caught my handlebars. Bastard. Before cameras were common so not much that could be done other than patch up wounds.
The problem with that is, people bike across different municipalities. You'd have to get it enforced province-wide.
Also a license plate does not change behaviour.
If a cop stops a cyclist now, he gets a ticket. If a cop stops a cyclist with a plate, he gets a ticket.
A plate will not change an idiots behaviour. We see it happening on motorcycles, we see it happening in cars.
Once again the cost to implement and keep it running would cost more than the perceived benefit.
Money would be better spent on better infrastructure to reduce friction areas on shoddy designs.
But it does. It allows for the city instead of discriminatory and selective enforcement using expensive police officers the ability to use automated cameras which continuously ticket everyone.
For red lights, speed, and streetcar doors is already legal. Expand the programs and implement the streetcar cameras, you'll see plenty cyclists will get ticketed but so will every car that does the same.
It's all about equality to me.
Ticket money goes to the municipalities, Toronto IIRC uses it to fund the roadways, so there will be more money to make our streets safer too.
Mad Mike
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I don't see obstacles here. If you reside in a municipality that needs a plate -- you ride with one everywhere in Ontario (kinda like front plates on cars). Get caught with a missing or obscured plate when one when it's required - same fine as any other vehicle.
If a speed camera or red light camera snaps a bicycle breaking the law -- same fine setup that's used for cars.
It shouldn't cost a lot of money. I'd bet local cycling clubs and bike shops would be happy to sell plates and use the fees to support their programs.
Lots of bicycle licensing fantasy land....
- The administration costs will far outweigh the revenue, collect $20M for the city and spend $50M administrating it... So $10 a year will NOT work.
- Photo-radar, automated ticketing, sounds good except we know today about MANY people driving and riding motorcycles dirty or obscuring their plates. Do you really think cyclists that would regularly break the limits would all be different?
- Toronto and many other cities have mandatory pet licensing, yet low percentage uptake.
- Most serious cyclists regularity cross city jurisdictions, must be provincial--same reasons car plates are not city.
- Another regressive tax for people that can only afford a bicycle for transportation, got to screw those poor people, that will learn them.
- The affluent Lycra crowd all own cars etc. and already pay plenty to support infrastructure and taxes.
- Just another fat/big government ideology. More regulations, more taxes, more government, yeah that is always the solution for some on GTAM!
Mad Mike
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I don't agree.
Admin costs can be near zero. A simple online one-time registration would do. Bike shops do it for new bikes and their customers, bike clubs for a revenue stream, or let riders do it online. Let clubs and bike shops sell licenses keeping the revenue. $20M recycled into the cycling community.
Riding dirty? OK - some riders will take the risk to save a one-time fee of $10. . A few $240 fines may or may not change their minds.
Pet licensing rates are a different animal. The fee is annual, it's expensive to administer, and a license won't help to enforce vehicular safety.
Crossing jurisdictions - fine. If your area requires a plate, it's required everywhere. Same as front license plate rules.
Regressive tax? A one-time fee of $5 to buy a bicycle tag is hardly a crushing burden. Speaking of Lycra, those outfits should require a license themselves.
Big Fat gov't? No, just a simple solution to help with enforcement. Bet a license plat program costs less than 10 cops camping in High Park for the season.
Finally, remember why this issue pops up, it's not about revenue, it's the same reason you have plates on a car.
For what to issue permanent plates that are tied to your address for your Drivers License or Health Card?
That way it never needs to be individually updated. Just an online portal where you register the plate and scan your ID and it automatically gets added to the database.
That's a problem with the current law. Obscured plates should be a 172 violation.
Tax? It costs the government $3.60 to make license plates using the Crown Corp Trilcor using prison labor. So you mark up the plate to $10.00 to cover the lifetime IT cost and move on.
That's why I advocate for more cameras. The operator of the camera gets 30% IIRC while the city pockets 70% without paying police salaries for every location 24/7/52.
These 50 cameras effectively save the city up to $27 million in labor costs while generating 70% of the tickets as revenue.
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