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Yes, it is.
Except that they got both him and his accomplice for the same thing
The hta section Mike sited is for going less than the normal speed. They intentionally didnt reference speed limit. Speed limit is obviously 100. Normal speed (crap term with no real definition but 85th percentile is normally considered representative) will be well above the speed limit on almost every road in the province.
Last week i listened to the "tik tok cop" segment on am1010 radio. This exact question was asked by a caller. The answer was..... In the hov lane, you are not impeding traffic by doing 100. Because the speed limit is 100. End of story.
The cop is Sean Shapiro.
The cop is Sean Shapiro.
You said "in the passing lane" in the post I replied to.
It isn't theoretical. How many dead bodies are needed?
What if the pedestrian is deaf and doesn't hear the bell or "Passing on left" call?
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What if the pedestrian is deaf and doesn't hear the bell or "Passing on left" call?
Man charged after woman hit, killed by cyclist in Mississauga
Shui-Fen Chan died in hospital after being found lying on the ground suffering from severe head trauma on June 12
But setting up the system around it, getting identifiers for the bikes...etc...would have to fall on province level jurisdictions and the province will most likely decline that implementation as it would be a huge money sink, and that refusal has been voiced before and tried elsewhere.
Especially when you take into consideration that outside of city centers, the issue dwindles down into almost nothingness, i don't think it would be a very popular (voter-wise) decision.
And on the world stage i don't personally know of a place considered a "world-class" city that does this for that purpose
Bikes are bought for their simplicity. Yes you should know the rules. No you shouldn't cause grief to other road users by being an a-hole. Adding a layer of bureaucracy goes against that "spirit" and might i add that "FrEeEeDoohM!" lol
We are running into this issue because as humans, we tend to have a lot of people that are self-entitled, especially in our north american society. And since we tend to rely on "personal responsibility", we tend to run into the issue that people don't really care for others that much. So the guy doing laps around high park, thinks his fitness is more important than that stop sign. The pedestrian has priority, so he believes rightfully he should be able to go (esp since there's a stop sign). And then add in cars in the mix that are impatient because those other road users are slowing them down by 10 seconds and you've got a mix of people who think their priorities are the most important one of them all.
We need better infrastructure, and better design. Because society isn't changing its mentality. And people are dying
I think that I could guess maybe within about 20km/hr. How fast is a leisurely ride? 5km/h? 10km/h? 20km/h I rarely ride bicycles (Once since I got my license 20 years ago) and have never once had a speedometer or anyway to have a frame of reference as to how fast I am going.
I've also driven boats every summer since I was roughly 5-6 years old but never one with a functional speedometer. I have zero idea how fast I am driving in a boat. Couldn't even make a guess. I make sure that I have no wake when required and that is it.
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Licencing has been tried and often recinded - that's true. But times change, just because it failed before doesn't mean it's over. Cycling has had a huge uptick in recent years, there are thousands of bikes sharing the roads, both urban and rural. I'd like to see municipalities license bicycles, here's why and how I'd do it.
Why?
- simplify identifying riders for enforcement
- connect education to the issue of annual stickers
- fund cycling infrastructure
How?
- Like snowmobile and atv clubs. Let the cyclists collect the fees and drive the use of proceeds as a kicker to develop, improve and maintain specific use infrastructure.
There are about 2M+ bikes rolling around Toronto, a $10 annual fee would generate $20M to fund bike paths.
5km/h is a typical walking speed
10km/h is jogging speed
15km/h is a slow ride on a heavy cruiser style bike
20km/h is a very easy speed to maintain on a good surface like High Park's
25km/h is easy to achieve for all but the most unfit of cyclists
Beyond 25-30km/h, air resistance starts to play a big role so you typically only see roadies in lycra maintain those speeds for any amount of time.
But the vast majority of cyclists can loop High Park at an average speed that's technically illegal, without meaning to do it.
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This is what 30km/h looks like around High Park:
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Cycle High Park on Instagram: "This is what ~30kph on a bike looks like. This can get you a ticket in High Park. Harassing people on bikes is not Vision Zero. Join us for HIGH PARK TAKEOVER this Sunday from 6-8 AM."
84 likes, 4 comments - cyclehighpark on July 16, 2022: "This is what ~30kph on a bike looks like. This can get you a ticket in High Park. Harassing people on bikes is not Vision Zero. Join us for HIGH PARK TAKEOVER this Sunday from 6-8 AM.".
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go pro makes things look slower.This is what 30km/h looks like around High Park:
Cycle High Park on Instagram: "This is what ~30kph on a bike looks like. This can get you a ticket in High Park. Harassing people on bikes is not Vision Zero. Join us for HIGH PARK TAKEOVER this Sunday from 6-8 AM."
84 likes, 4 comments - cyclehighpark on July 16, 2022: "This is what ~30kph on a bike looks like. This can get you a ticket in High Park. Harassing people on bikes is not Vision Zero. Join us for HIGH PARK TAKEOVER this Sunday from 6-8 AM.".
Try driving around at 20 or 30 km/h. It's pretty damn slow. Again, road design matters far more than numbers on signs. Drastically narrow the lanes, include a penalty for wandering (rumble strip or bendy plastic poles) and everybody naturally slows down.
That’s what I’m saying to the officers when I stopped driving 150kmh.
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