Art Students...

I always get a good chuckle when somebody trots out thee olde yolo. It always seems to be about rationalizing some hairbrained scheme. That's why I hang around here, you only live once.
 
inreb said:
I always get a good chuckle when somebody trots out thee olde yolo. It always seems to be about rationalizing some hairbrained scheme. That's why I hang around here, you only live once.
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It was definitely a decision made with the heart and not the head. We'll see how it plays out.
 
N3WMAN said:
I sure did win my job. The contest was called job interview, and I was not paid to be there.
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Out of the park!!

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you guys still don't get the whole part about the contestants (sorry, "finalists") relinquishing the rights to their intellectual property during this "interview" lol
 
I signed paperwork when I started my job stating that anything I design or invent is the property of my employer. Standard stuff. Nothing malicious here.

IP rights isn't the main focus of the #mytimehasvalue protest.
The winner gets paid. This isn't tee ball where everyone gets a trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world.
 
If the entrants want to be paid for their design work they should get a job to do so....however they will most likely lose their IP rights for work performed to their employer.

if if they are unhappy with the contest rules then they don't need to apply....it's really that simple.

Design and art jobs are very difficult and I applaud anyone with skills to do it...I sure as hell can't.
 
... and they still don't get it lol


The contestants (or 'finalists') lose their IP even if they don't win. RTFM
 
caboose56 said:
I signed paperwork when I started my job stating that anything I design or invent is the property of my employer. Standard stuff. Nothing malicious here.

IP rights isn't the main focus of the #mytimehasvalue protest.
The winner gets paid. This isn't tee ball where everyone gets a trophy just for showing up. Welcome to the real world.
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can we all at least get a gold ribbon?
u meanie
 
caboose56 said:
I signed paperwork when I started my job stating that anything I design or invent is the property of my employer.
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mimico_polak said:
If the entrants want to be paid for their design work they should get a job to do so....however they will most likely lose their IP rights for work performed to their employer.
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Maybe this is the root of the misunderstanding here. Speculative work is a problem that affects independent graphic designers, people normally working on contract. If they were part of a firm, of course they wouldn't have any rights to the work to begin with... but then they would be getting paid, by the firm. And no self-respecting firm would have anything to do with speculative work in the first place.

You also have to keep in mind that this is not really about the students themselves who would or would not be participating in this contest. It's that the contest is modeled on a predatory practice from the industry, and that the Canadian Government should be setting a better example than that.
 
TwistedKestrel said:
Maybe this is the root of the misunderstanding here. Speculative work is a problem that affects independent graphic designers, people normally working on contract. If they were part of a firm, of course they wouldn't have any rights to the work to begin with... but then they would be getting paid, by the firm. And no self-respecting firm would have anything to do with speculative work in the first place.

You also have to keep in mind that this is not really about the students themselves who would or would not be participating in this contest. It's that the contest is modeled on a predatory practice from the industry, and that the Canadian Government should be setting a better example than that.
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This.^^^
 
Arguing about the IP is a dodge anyway. The real issue is having the contest in the first place. As Kestrel says, the government's supposed to provide an example, not slavishly copy the worst practices that are still legal.
 
I see what the solution should be.

The Gov't should hold a sole source contract award for graphic design every three years. After which all graphic design will be done by which ever firm was awarded the contract. Then no one would complain about spec work.
 
caboose56 said:
I see what the solution should be.

The Gov't should hold a sole source contract award for graphic design every three years. After which all graphic design will be done by which ever firm was awarded the contract. Then no one would complain about spec work.
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surely no one will complain then...
 
I'm wondering now if the ip rights has something to do with the fact that it is a contest, and some finalists designs that they narrowed it down to would be similar? To avoid potential lawsuits?
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meme said:
With or without a clue betcha he has a job though, and one that he didn't have to "win" through an unpaid contest.

I'm impressed by art, but at the end of the day I'd question it as a choice of careers. Doesn't seem like many make a lot of money, and huge stresses come because of it.
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Yeah I'm sure with this thinking he's CEO somewhere.

We're not talking 12th century poetry art grads here.. we are talking about the systemic abuse of new grads and professionals in the advertising/marketing industry by companies looking to get free work under the pretense of giving "opportunity".

how far could it go before you become upset? Does McDonald's have to do unpaid working interviews in order to "show us your stuff before we hire you!" "You can put it on your resume that you volunteered for a day!!" Maybe burger King will hire you now! Probably not.. since they would be spinning the interview process the same way.

/rant
 
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