Anyway to get someone from Canada Post fired?

Doesn't just happen in the US, Canada is just as guilty. It's called the "Temporary Foreign Worker Program"

I'll take 'sweeping generalizations' for $100 Alex.

Except it's true. I deliver to a lot of farms in the spring and summer months and have seen kids come out of the fields, throw their gear at the boss, and mutter "I quit" as they wander away. Often they've only lasted a week or two at best.

That's the reason a lot of farms where manual labor is involved (fruit pickers or field workers) don't even want to be hassle of trying to hire locally and go straight to the TFW program.

The same people crying about TFW's "taking our jobs" are often the same ones who wouldn't last a week doing those same jobs before they'd quit and opt for EI or welfare instead. It's hard work in less than great conditions, it's physical, there's an expectation that you actually work vs loafing, and the pay is low - a recipe for a lot of people (particularly the young crowd) thinking their "above" that sort of work.
 
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Try hiring anyone 18 to 22. Completely useless. Older generation canadians 30+ or immigrants are so much better. One kid told me "I have to quit, my parents told me I should aim higher" this is after he begged me to hire because no one else would.

I know 18-22 year olds that can out think, design, and program PhD holders. I'm seriously hoping that we have a leap of development on robotics; then we can get rid of the human factor in **** like this topic (people not doing their job correctly).
 
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I know 18-22 year olds that can out think, design, and program PhD holders. I'm seriously hoping that we have a leap of development on robotics; then we can get rid of the human factor in **** like this topic (people not doing their job correctly).
Maybe hire a robot to do your complaining for you... if job not to satisfaction no firing needed ...pull the plug .....its a cruel world and being heartless pays
 
Try hiring anyone 18 to 22. Completely useless. Older generation canadians 30+ or immigrants are so much better. One kid told me "I have to quit, my parents told me I should aim higher" this is after he begged me to hire because no one else would.

I don't think a SubWay franchise in Richmond Hill is a good measure of the capabilities of the "20-something" workforce. I've worked my *** off in a very competitive industry that is ONLY manual labour and the majority of my colleagues were my age as well. Also mostly canadian-born people, usually white too since that seems to matter.
 
I don't think a SubWay franchise in Richmond Hill is a good measure of the capabilities of the "20-something" workforce. I've worked my *** off in a very competitive industry that is ONLY manual labour and the majority of my colleagues were my age as well. Also mostly canadian-born people, usually white too since that seems to matter.

Yes, some of us a generalizing, there are lots of kids who will do whatever is thrown at them (physical, demeaning, demanding, whatever) if there's a fair paycheque at the end of the day, no question, and there's also lots of educated young kids who are driven to succeed.

Generalizing that *all* teens and 20-somethings are lazy and unwilling to work at anything other than a cushy job, even if it's entry level or minimum wage is unfair. Many do.

BUT...there's in increasing amount of helicopter parented "everybody wins a prize, I've never been told no, and my feelings have never been hurt" bubble-childen today who would (to use the TFW / Farm example again) go out in an apple field on a sweltering August afternoon for a 12 hour shift, told they are NOT to touch their phones (gasp, but how will I survive if I can't check my Snapchat feed every 3 minutes!?!), and are expected to fill X number of bins by the end of the day..who would tell their bosses to "get stuffed" not far into their shift once they start sweating and hear their phone beeping in their pocket with texts they can no longer ignore.

Again, this isn't something I'm making up, I've seen it happen with my own 2 eyes. Go talk to ANY farm owner who hires large numbers of summer field help if you don't believe me.
 
Just to bring this discussion full circle, when I was a teenager, I helped our postie bail hay because her husband was hurt. Nice lady.
 
Yes, some of us a generalizing, there are lots of kids who will do whatever is thrown at them (physical, demeaning, demanding, whatever) if there's a fair paycheque at the end of the day, no question, and there's also lots of educated young kids who are driven to succeed.

Generalizing that *all* teens and 20-somethings are lazy and unwilling to work at anything other than a cushy job, even if it's entry level or minimum wage is unfair. Many do.

BUT...there's in increasing amount of helicopter parented "everybody wins a prize, I've never been told no, and my feelings have never been hurt" bubble-childen today who would (to use the TFW / Farm example again) go out in an apple field on a sweltering August afternoon for a 12 hour shift, told they are NOT to touch their phones (gasp, but how will I survive if I can't check my Snapchat feed every 3 minutes!?!), and are expected to fill X number of bins by the end of the day..who would tell their bosses to "get stuffed" not far into their shift once they start sweating and hear their phone beeping in their pocket with texts they can no longer ignore.

Again, this isn't something I'm making up, I've seen it happen with my own 2 eyes. Go talk to ANY farm owner who hires large numbers of summer field help if you don't believe me.


I've seen it too and I'm aware the problem exists, but what I'm saying is that the generalization Link was making was unfair and frankly, dead wrong. My grandfather said the same for my parent's generation when they were in their teens and twenties and I'm sure I'll say it about my kid's generation too. I worked in Security, where 99% were lazy saps, regardless of age. I worked in Forestry where 99% were hard working and self motivated and I've worked in MNR Fire where everyone out there wanted to be there regardless of compensation. Frankly the only consistently lazy people were middle management, regardless of age or ethnicity. I live barely an hour and a half outside the city and everyone my age grew up on family farms and still work them. Smartest most self-motivated people I've ever met, and most are younger than me by a couple years.
 
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I did lawn, property maintenance and landscraping four seasons as a teen, early 20's. The running joke every spring was the revolving door until the teams were settled. "Canadians:rolleyes:" we used to say. That kind of work builds character. Look at me now:laughing7:
 
Read to about post 22 and stopped. So much perception with a few scattered facts. My wife works for CP and I deal with all the household finances so let me give you the straight goods.

First to the OP, you have a lazy letter carrier. They aren't all like that and it is like calling all bikers hooligans.

So then, the real dope:

Letter carriers of yesteryear on grandfathered contracts get paid really well with great benefits and more than a fair pension. This practice stopped a long time ago.

A letter carrier hired today goes through some real ******** before being put on full time. When they do, their package isn't that great but still better than a minimum wage job and if you don't have many skills, you can do this gig pretty well if you are a conscientious person.

You are paid for what CP, through some means of mathematics, has deemed your route worth. They literally measure every metre and figure how long it would take on an average day to do your job. If they figure your job is a 6 hr per day/5 days per week and is worth $30k per year, that is what you earn. That is it, that is all...no overtime, no extra wages, no bonus structure and just this week you would have received your holiday 'bonus' which is an envelope full of coupons. Better than nothing but really not that nice to have given to you once you give it some thought.

In order to be part of this illustrious society, you have to supply your own vehicle (contract calls for a minivan but many do without and come Christmas it is nearly impossible to do without). Pay for your fuel, maintenance, insurance (min $2 million liability). If your car breaks down, you are expected to rent a vehicle out of pocket and get your *** to work. So if you have half a brain, you don't use a piece of **** to do your job.

If your route is 30Km round trip per day, that milage is factored into your annual wage. So for time and machine you make about $30 odd thousand per year. Now think, objectively and without prejudice, is that letter carrier fairly compensated?

Let's add a little more information. This is Christmas time and the parcel numbers are very high. My wife had nearly 200 parcels this past Monday. Of course they are varying sizes but nevertheless they don't all fit in one vehicle so she had to reload twice. Her route is a 6 hour route and about 30km round trip. It seldom takes her less than 6 hours to do her job and usually takes more. I can tell you first hand, she is far from lazy and will make every attempt to go to the door - she knows how painful it is to have to go to the local retail outlet. Knows most of her regulars by first name and will take a moment to ask about their day or their ill spouse. On Monday it took her 11 hours and 2 loads to do her job. She lost money that day, again on Tuesday and Wednesday. When I say 'lost money' after expenses and unpaid overtime she worked for far less than minimum wage. This will be all of December by the way.

Not a pity party, just the truth of the matter. She chooses to go to work so for CP and can leave at any time so I am not asking for pity for her, just asking you to consider understanding what these 'lazy ****ers' give you before you call them down to the lowest.

The advantages to working for CP...despite some belief, they are not going out of business so you know you will have a job tomorrow. Their union is worth **** and is run by spineless ****ers that are in it for their own benefit so count that **** out but at least they get basic benefits which is usually a bit better than a lot of private companies can afford to offer. You are to some extent your own boss. As long as you are getting the job done, you are left to your own.

As for not being able to get fired...really guys!? Do you realize how difficult it is for an employer to fire an employee at any company? It is the same at CP. Every call made to the station against a letter carrier is followed through to the end and the carriers are guilty until proven innocent. My wife had one household call every day for weeks saying that their mail wasn't delivered. Her boss rode her like a rented mule about it until she took her boss by her ear to the community mailbox to show her a mailbox stuffed full of mail. The household owner lost their key and thought they would have to pay for a new key so conjured up this petty ******** to get some attention.

In short, it really isn't a fairly compensated work environment. If you had a choice to do any job at all and make $30k per year but have about $11k in expenses meaning you net $19K per year after taxes to give more than 40 hours a week of your time, would you do it?
 
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Great post, and as usual the facts are a lot different than the unfounded rhetoric.
 
It's like the perception of teachers, supposedly they live in the land of the rich and famous
 
It's like the perception of teachers, supposedly they live in the land of the rich and famous

I can tell you first hand it there aren't any riches. When I do the math, my income subsidizes my wife's job about 4 or 5 weeks per year. It is frustrating to know that there are weeks that she is working at a loss but finding a decent job isn't that easy. Sure, there are jobs out there and so are the number of people looking to fill the positions. University grads forced to take jobs outside of their skill set every day and the like. Being Ontario, the land of the ****ed up government and the per capita debt...don't get me started.

Point being, CP employees are just like you and me, good hard working people for the most part with a few bad apples.

Oh and one more thing...with all the parcels arriving for the holiday you get the option to work on Sunday for free....hooohaaa, sign me the **** up. In lieu of being paid you get $1 per parcel. Still have to supply your own vehicle, et al and your time of course - which would be time and a half for any other employee on overtime hours. Some of these guys show up for $30 on a Sunday to work for 3 - 4 hours.
 
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It's like the perception of teachers, supposedly they live in the land of the rich and famous

They dont?

My preconceived views based solely on what I read on Facebook and angry comment threads on newspaper articles (posted by likeminded people who also have no idea the facts behind what their talking about) tells me otherwise!
 
It's like the perception of teachers, supposedly they live in the land of the rich and famous

One of my high school teachers is a drinking buddy of mine. $116,000 gross and he still has summers off if he doesn't want to work.
 
I had no idea how poorly paid the CP carriers are now. I have to say that my carrier in south Guelph is amazing. We chat every month or so if I see him at the communal box (or if he has a delivery for my wife or I).

For what they do they should at least gross $60000 and have excellent benefits. As it is they are paid like a crappy factory job. Sad that even public sector jobs are not that great anymore (at least a CP carrier one).
 
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To make matters worse, the people working on tier 2 work right beside people on tier 1 contracts. A tier 1 employee gets all those farkles you thought they get, making more than 2x what tier 2 employees make. They are supplied a vehicle, get better benefits, do less work, get overtime pay and the list goes on.

Tier 1 employee holiday bonus average is about $1500 per person...tier 2 gets an envelope of coupons.

First and second level management is mainly made up of high school grads that have little managerial ability. The divisive nature is thick as **** and the daily drama would make an interesting reality show.

Fortunately, my wife is drama free and doesn't engage the cancerous types. She really needs to get the **** out of there...
 
One of my high school teachers is a drinking buddy of mine. $116,000 gross and he still has summers off if he doesn't want to work.
I have never heard anyone making their job sound much better and with a better pay than what the job really is :rolleyes:. My wife is a teacher so all I am going to say is that if he really makes 116, his salary should be on the sunshine list, maybe it is.

Not relevant to the quoted post, just read this and was very interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-...682928.html?pbx=25&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000010
 
I have never heard anyone making their job sound much better and with a better pay than what the job really is :rolleyes:. My wife is a teacher so all I am going to say is that if he really makes 116, his salary should be on the sunshine list, maybe it is.

Not relevant to the quoted post, just read this and was very interesting

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kate-...682928.html?pbx=25&ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000010
Haha he is. He's a department head and does a ton of extracurriculars. GSA, coaches teams etc. and has been with the board over 10 years I think. I know how rough it can be on the new generation of teachers but "those guys" are still out there in numbers

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Letter carriers of yesteryear on grandfathered contracts get paid really well with great benefits and more than a fair pension. This practice stopped a long time ago.

A letter carrier hired today goes through some real ******** before being put on full time. When they do, their package isn't that great but still better than a minimum wage job and if you don't have many skills, you can do this gig pretty well if you are a conscientious person.

You are paid for what CP, through some means of mathematics, has deemed your route worth. They literally measure every metre and figure how long it would take on an average day to do your job. If they figure your job is a 6 hr per day/5 days per week and is worth $30k per year, that is what you earn. That is it, that is all...no overtime, no extra wages, no bonus structure and just this week you would have received your holiday 'bonus' which is an envelope full of coupons. Better than nothing but really not that nice to have given to you once you give it some thought.

In order to be part of this illustrious society, you have to supply your own vehicle (contract calls for a minivan but many do without and come Christmas it is nearly impossible to do without). Pay for your fuel, maintenance, insurance (min $2 million liability). If your car breaks down, you are expected to rent a vehicle out of pocket and get your *** to work. So if you have half a brain, you don't use a piece of **** to do your job.

If your route is 30Km round trip per day, that milage is factored into your annual wage. So for time and machine you make about $30 odd thousand per year. Now think, objectively and without prejudice, is that letter carrier fairly compensated?

Let's add a little more information. This is Christmas time and the parcel numbers are very high. My wife had nearly 200 parcels this past Monday. Of course they are varying sizes but nevertheless they don't all fit in one vehicle so she had to reload twice. Her route is a 6 hour route and about 30km round trip. It seldom takes her less than 6 hours to do her job and usually takes more. I can tell you first hand, she is far from lazy and will make every attempt to go to the door - she knows how painful it is to have to go to the local retail outlet. Knows most of her regulars by first name and will take a moment to ask about their day or their ill spouse. On Monday it took her 11 hours and 2 loads to do her job. She lost money that day, again on Tuesday and Wednesday. When I say 'lost money' after expenses and unpaid overtime she worked for far less than minimum wage. This will be all of December by the way.

Not a pity party, just the truth of the matter. She chooses to go to work so for CP and can leave at any time so I am not asking for pity for her, just asking you to consider understanding what these 'lazy ****ers' give you before you call them down to the lowest.

The advantages to working for CP...despite some belief, they are not going out of business so you know you will have a job tomorrow. Their union is worth **** and is run by spineless ****ers that are in it for their own benefit so count that **** out but at least they get basic benefits which is usually a bit better than a lot of private companies can afford to offer. You are to some extent your own boss. As long as you are getting the job done, you are left to your own.

As for not being able to get fired...really guys!? Do you realize how difficult it is for an employer to fire an employee at any company? It is the same at CP. Every call made to the station against a letter carrier is followed through to the end and the carriers are guilty until proven innocent. My wife had one household call every day for weeks saying that their mail wasn't delivered. Her boss rode her like a rented mule about it until she took her boss by her ear to the community mailbox to show her a mailbox stuffed full of mail. The household owner lost their key and thought they would have to pay for a new key so conjured up this petty ******** to get some attention.

In short, it really isn't a fairly compensated work environment. If you had a choice to do any job at all and make $30k per year but have about $11k in expenses meaning you net $19K per year after taxes to give more than 40 hours a week of your time, would you do it?

So your wife is an RSMC (rural and suburban mail carrier, for those not in the know)?

Working as temporary delivery agent (we're no longer referred to as letter carriers) in the GTA, none of this has been my experience.

We are paid an hourly rate. Anything over eight hours is paid at 1.5. After ten hours, which is not uncommon, the rate goes to 2.0. A meal is paid for after ten. We are paid 2.3¢ for each and every flyer delivered, so if on a given day I deliver eight sets of flyers to, say, two hundred points of call, that's about a $36 bonus. A vehicle is provided. I have zero out of pocket expenses.

All new hires are temps. CP does not hire permanent carriers. One must work up to permanent part or permanent full time.

Temps are paid the lowest rate, no benefits, no vacation. However, 4% in lieu of benefits is paid, and 6% vacation pay. I don't get paid when I'm sick, but can take a day off or vacation with no pay anytime I want.

I work about 45-50 hours per week. Long gone are the cushy days of the lazy postie finishing at noon. Temps usually work different routes, long term assignments are rare. It is not an easy gig, in fact at times, it can be overwhelming. That said, I enjoy the job and the challenge. With overtime, flyer bonus, vacation pay, etc., factored in, I will gross $60K this year. Not huge, but far better than minimum.


Oh and one more thing...with all the parcels arriving for the holiday you get the option to work on Sunday for free....hooohaaa, sign me the **** up. In lieu of being paid you get $1 per parcel. Still have to supply your own vehicle, et al and your time of course - which would be time and a half for any other employee on overtime hours. Some of these guys show up for $30 on a Sunday to work for 3 - 4 hours.

Again, this is not how things work in my station. Optional Sunday parcel delivery overtime for the Christmas season is paid at double time.


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Haha he is. He's a department head and does a ton of extracurriculars. GSA, coaches teams etc. and has been with the board over 10 years I think. I know how rough it can be on the new generation of teachers but "those guys" are still out there in numbers

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My wife is also a department head, that is a couple of thousand extra. There are teachers making that but that is definitely the top tear.

Back to topic, I honestly thought that a postal worker had a privileged government job, this thread has been interesting and eye opener.
 
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