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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

mimico_polak said:
I think if it wasn’t for all the promises and hyped up specs this wouldn’t be so bad.

It’s got range, it’s got some storage, and it can seat 5 comfortably from what I’ve seen.

It’ll sell.
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But it doesn't seem better and/or cheaper than the alternatives. Given the BS tesla continues to pull with repairability, options not surviving resale, etc., they need to be far cheaper or better than the competition for me to pick them. The only compelling reason I see to pick cybertruck over lightning right now is supercharging stations. At a 20K premium over the lighting, I would argue that you would be far better served with an ICE truck if supercharging is necessary often. I have no interest in look at me but that may matter to some people.

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As expected, the headline generating cheapest cybertruck is complete vapourware and I would not be surprised if it was never produced (like the Y and IIRC the 3 as well). No idea why journalists even bother reporting that number. Just be honest and report what you can actually buy. That starts at $83K canadian when your spot on the wait list comes up.
 
GreyGhost said:
But it doesn't seem better and/or cheaper than the alternatives. Given the BS tesla continues to pull with repairability, options not surviving resale, etc., they need to be far cheaper or better than the competition for me to pick them. The only compelling reason I see to pick cybertruck over lightning right now is supercharging stations. At a 20K premium over the lighting, I would argue that you would be far better served with an ICE truck if supercharging is necessary often. I have no interest in look at me but that may matter to some people.
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It SHOULD be better or cheaper over the alternatives, but doesn’t need to be.

Every brand has their diehard customer and they’ll overlook a lot of flaws because of the brand loyalty. Even if it was 20-30-40k cheaper than an F150L ford clients won’t buy it, and Tesla owners won’t buy a Ford.

If I had the cash, an F150L would be in my driveway. Right beside the Mach-E.
 
mimico_polak said:
It SHOULD be better or cheaper over the alternatives, but doesn’t need to be.

Every brand has their diehard customer and they’ll overlook a lot of flaws because of the brand loyalty. Even if it was 20-30-40k cheaper than an F150L ford clients won’t buy it, and Tesla owners won’t buy a Ford.

If I had the cash, an F150L would be in my driveway. Right beside the Mach-E.
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For fanbois (any brand), nothing matters. No price, performance, style, useless steering wheel, etc can convince them that the brand they worship is not the best. Apple has perfected that with giant margins on hardware that isn't substantially different than the competition. No need to do anything crazy, the fanbois will buy anything and everything. Keep the cycle short as they will constantly be upgrading to the newest and best. I like Apple stock. I only own two apple products and don't see that increasing anytime soon. Tesla stock is so far into crazy land that I won't touch it. The "investors" have made out really well recently but imo, they are speculators and the axe hasn't dropped yet.
 
Haters will hate ....you and Wall Street have always been wrong about Apple...at least Wall Street woke up.
..."not substantially different" ...pardon my laughter .....Apple users vote with their wallet

and what a false analogy equating Tesla to Apple....:rolleyes: :coffee:
 
MacDoc said:
Haters will hate ....you and Wall Street have always been wrong about Apple...at least Wall Street woke up.
..."not substantially different" ...pardon my laughter .....Apple users vote with their wallet

and what a false analogy equating Tesla to Apple....:rolleyes: :coffee:
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That's exactly my points. I have used both ecosystems, they are both decent and both have upsides and downsides. Anybody that argues for a clear victory for one or the other normally qualifies as a fanboi. I am up over 2000% on aapl since 2008. That makes me happy. They are the masters of margin.

As for substantially different, sure they are obviously different silicon but the end user doesn't care. Functionally they are both fast enough and have comparable battery life.

Tesla is not at all apple. Tesla is all the bad parts of fanbois. Apple is most of the good parts.
 
New prius's are a big step forward but Toyota does put out a lot more press releases than compelling ev's. Always five years from now we will change the world.

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GreyGhost said:
New prius's are a big step forward but Toyota does put out a lot more press releases than compelling ev's. Always five years from now we will change the world.

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Not any worse than that other brand with their much ballyhooed "ultium" system that will apparently elevate them to EV dominance.

All talk... and still we wait....
 
SunnY S said:
Not any worse than that other brand with their much ballyhooed "ultium" system that will apparently elevate them to EV dominance.

All talk... and still we wait....
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Solid state batteries are complete vapourware and yes that is worse than everybody else.
 
Beyond vapourware

source.benchmarkminerals.com

In charts: solid-state batteries and the route to commercialisation | Benchmark Source

This week US battery startup Solid Power said it had shipped its first sample cells to BMW for testing, marking the first sulfide-based solid-state battery to submit to formal qualification. The Colorado-based company said the delivery of A-sample cells marks the beginning of the “formal...
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According to Bourveret, buses with Blue Solutions’ solid-state batteries have travelled approximately 500 million kilometres and have a minimum of 3,000 charge cycles.

A six-metre Bluebus has a range of 280 km while a 12-metre models goes 380 km.
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electricautonomy.ca

Confidence growing in Blue Solutions' solid-state batteries

Quebec-based solid-state battery maker, Blue Solutions, just struck a co-development deal with the world's largest electronics manufacturer
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MacDoc said:
Beyond vapourware

source.benchmarkminerals.com

In charts: solid-state batteries and the route to commercialisation | Benchmark Source

This week US battery startup Solid Power said it had shipped its first sample cells to BMW for testing, marking the first sulfide-based solid-state battery to submit to formal qualification. The Colorado-based company said the delivery of A-sample cells marks the beginning of the “formal...
source.benchmarkminerals.com source.benchmarkminerals.com


electricautonomy.ca

Confidence growing in Blue Solutions' solid-state batteries

Quebec-based solid-state battery maker, Blue Solutions, just struck a co-development deal with the world's largest electronics manufacturer
electricautonomy.ca electricautonomy.ca
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They are a thing, they are not toyotas savior. In 2021, they said ssb would be in their cars and revolutionize their cars by 2025. In 2023, they said 2027. See the trend? Always a miracle coming in the future. Never any major improvements in powertrain design happening. Since Toyota has done hybrids for so long, you would think that hybrids would be a could platform to build miles on ssbs. They don't have them because Toyota doesn't have them in a viable form. It is press releases only to save face and pretend that they aren't being left behind by everybody. Throw in some ramblings about hydrogen being the future to complete the crazy cat lady act. Rollout of hydrogen stations alone is so prohibitively expensive that hydrogen will never be the fuel of choice for 99% of vehicles. For some fleets, it may work but even fleets can't afford the cost of a station (unless the government lights billions on fire in another grrenwashing scam).
 
At least you got past the vapourware stance.
Mind you with another hydrogen diss. :rolleyes:
It's going to take a lot of approaches to get to netzero and yeah it will take lots of public money......we can't even get our shelter right
....pity the biome.
 
Fanboi is here. Camissa video praising it is enough for me. He's always been brutally honest and great entertainment.

45ACP, 9mm and 12ga 00 buck shot at the panels.
It's pretty impressive they've been able to cover this thing in SS enough to stop those rounds and still weigh less than the lightning and R1T.

I think the truck is great and at similar prices, I'd always pick Tesla over a competitor just for the supercharging network and performance/efficiency over the rest. At 10-20k more than a lightning, probably not. Canadian pricing still remains to be seen.

Lot's of things I don't like about the truck still. SS exterior to me is pointless and a gimmick, hate the bed-sides for actual truck stuff.
Where's the front row bench seat they showed off originally?

If the EValanche isn't a flop or overpriced, might just grab that just for the midgate.
 
I give up....... people will buy anything if Elon puts his name on it.
Not all his ideas are bad... this one is...... oh an that hyperloop thing..... and that stupid tunnel in Vegas.
 
bakaboy said:
The 1st couple months the car has been a city car only with most daily trips at or under 100 kms.

Had a 350 km day yesterday. Was able to give it a charge at my destination before the return journey. With the cooler temperatures yesterday I think EV mode was about 80 km of the 350 kms.

Very pleased that overall it was 3.97 litre per 100 km for the day. Just under the 4 litre mark.
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Just passed the 20 000 km mark yesterday with the KIA Niro plugin hybrid

1.8 litre/100 km average over the last 11 months

No idea on what my electrical cost has been as there are too many variables. All I can compare to is versus the Ford Focus that it replaced. A savings on about 1000 litres of gas.
 
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