Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

Funny when you really look at the numbers...buying a hybrid / EV to 'save' money...is very rarely the case. I can buy the top of the line non-PHEV for less than a base PHEV. That's something to look into also

If you’re buying brand new, current day, it’s absolutely a much harder (impossible basically) argument to justify on the “saving money” aspect unless you’re buying for the green use case. Although if the price of gas spikes to $2.00/L again anytime soon, that $0.40c/L electric equivalent starts to not only come very appealing very quickly, the math dramatically changes on everything if you drive a lot.

The used market is where it’s at, and shop around.

The Ioniq5 we are likely to end up buying is going to be comparable in price to a lot of 1:1 ICE comparisons out there. Can discuss once it’s in our driveway and I’ll post pictures of the car and what we paid for it.

So, when the purchase price ends up being the same as an ICE, the difference is we’re immediately operating on the 40¢/L gas reality right out of the gate without any significant extra cost.

I’ll never buy a new car, ever. No way in hell if ever buy a new EV either. I like to let others eat depreciation.
 
If you’re buying brand new, current day, it’s absolutely a much harder (impossible basically) argument to justify on the “saving money” aspect unless you’re buying for the green use case. Although if the price of gas spikes to $2.00/L again anytime soon, that $0.40c/L electric equivalent starts to not only come very appealing very quickly, the math dramatically changes on everything if you drive a lot.

The used market is where it’s at, and shop around.

The Ioniq5 we are likely to end up buying is going to be comparable in price to a lot of 1:1 ICE comparisons out there. Can discuss once it’s in our driveway and I’ll post pictures of the car and what we paid for it.

So, when the purchase price ends up being the same as an ICE, the difference is we’re immediately operating on the 40¢/L gas reality right out of the gate without any significant extra cost.

I’ll never buy a new car, ever. No way in hell if ever buy a new EV either. I like to let others eat depreciation.
Well said, and I agree. I'm seeing the IONIQ5 prices stick fairly high simply due to the IONIQ5 being a great option.

However, I'll also take a drive in one before we pull the trigger on the Bolt. Wife is OK with both.

Ran the numbers leasing / brand new IONIQ5...let's just say...zero chance of me buying / leasing it new.
 
Well said, and I agree. I'm seeing the IONIQ5 prices stick fairly high simply due to the IONIQ5 being a great option.

However, I'll also take a drive in one before we pull the trigger on the Bolt. Wife is OK with both.

Ran the numbers leasing / brand new IONIQ5...let's just say...zero chance of me buying / leasing it new.

Be warned, she’s probably going to like the Ioniq5 a lot more. 😉

There is a decent selection on the used market now at least.
 
Neighbour just bought one. He LOVES it.

Same neighbour that a rod / piston puke out of his Volt. Said the deals on the Mitsubishi are fantastic. But I don't have 70k to spend.

EDIT: he spent 70k on the top of the line one...I didn't realize they start at 48k.

EDIT #2: There's close to a 15k difference b/w the base Outlander (2024), and an Outlander PHEV (2025)...I'd rather just buy the base one as there's no world where I'll make up the 'savings' in fuel over 15k price difference.

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Funny when you really look at the numbers...buying a hybrid / EV to 'save' money...is very rarely the case. I can buy the top of the line non-PHEV for less than a base PHEV. That's something to look into also.

The outlander is heavily based on the Nissan Rogue platform and shares many parts underneath

Both companies are on shaky ground at the moment and I'd be leery of owning either of these brands long term.

The Honda Mitz Nissan thing isnt guaranteed yet.
 
Be warned, she’s probably going to like the Ioniq5 a lot more. 😉

There is a decent selection on the used market now at least.
Lots out there! Thankfully they're out of my price range...but some QC ones are not.

Reached out to some sub-35k IONIQ5 dealers in QC...most are sold, they're just keeping them on the site for (I assume) people to reach out.
 
You can get a skewed perception of what people think from the internet. On twitter and reddit everyone is like "I'll never buy a tesla cause of elon" but in real life people don't care. I'm constantly seeing people on the internet freaking out about things that nobody I've ever met in real life gives a hoot about. I think a very small minority of chronically online people are dominating online narratives but in the real world their opinions just aren't common and don't matter. Would I buy a justin3? If it was a solid car and fit my needs I probably would.

100 percent.

When it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, you will buy the most compelling product you can afford regardless.
 
100 percent.

When it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, you will buy the most compelling product you can afford regardless.

Free market (if allowed) always wins.
And seeing all these posts I see Libs already found the solution to keep driving Teslas - you just stick "Elon is Crazy" and Rainbow sticker to it and you good to go :)
 
They either bet on the wrong horse

Ding ding ding.

The reality is that the infrastructure requirements for widespread hydrogen vehicle adoption is never going to be a thing, that horse has left the barn and it's never coming back.

The Mirai is an experiment in futility, or proof of concept, whichever you choose to believe.

Here's a map of north american EV charging, the green dots:

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Here's a map of North American hydrogen fuelling stations:

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Apparently none in Ontario anymore, a few in BC, one in Quebec.

Source: Electric Charging and Alternative Fuelling Stations Locator

A grand total of 4 in Canada, and in the USA, nothing east of California.
 
Buys a porsche, is shocked by service cost. What a moron. It would be interesting to know what the service included though. My guess is lots of inspect and little do. Dealers want to keep their lucrative service stream of ~1% of vehicle price per year.
 
Buys a porsche, is shocked by service cost. What a moron

I was going to say, EV or not EV, Porche service is going to be stupid expensive. That whole article and video is a hackjob by someone who openly declares himself as Anti-EV. Dude also owns an ICE porche and mentions he pays >$800 for an oil change (and apparently that's perfectly OK?), but his service on the Taycan cost $100 more which seems inconsequential in the world of Porche, but if course, he needed new tires on that same visit, so that jacked the price to $1800, and $1800 is a bigger number than $800, and that's what he's upset about. :rolleyes:

I guess tires on his Porche Boxter are free.

Anyhow, being about to jump back onto the full EV bandwagon vs PHEV, I've been looking at plugshare.com again as well as some third party sources at the DC charging landscape. In the few years since we sold our 2017 Ioniq it's got exponentially better and faster.

With access to the Tesla charging network now things are certainly more widespread, but there's a few problems a lot of non-Tesla owners are experiencing - first, almost all Tesla chargers are 400v architecture whilst may new EV's including our new Ioniq5 are 800v architecture, so it can lead to slower charging in many cases than a lot of other charging networks that support 800v. Reportedly Tesla is indeed updating their chargers to the newer architecture however, but it's also reportedly going very, very slow.

The charge port plug thing is still a challenge although Tesla is introducing a really neat feature called the "Magic dock" where when you select to charge a CCS car instead of a NACS car, the CCS adapter actually unlatches and automatically comes out of the holster ready to go. Love it or hate it, Tesla really does nail the charging infrastructure thing. People are not happy about the fees though, seems that most stations are charging around 50c/kwh whereas a lot of other networks that are charging on a per minute basis but also at much higher rates of charge (supporting the 800v architecture in many cases) end up being 30-50% less expensive.

In short, the charging network is getting way better but there's still a lot of technicalities for those who care about the small stuff. If you care less about the small stuff and a few dollars here and there in price vs "is there public chargers when I need them", then the market is vastly improved in even the last few years. Standardization so far as the charger plugs will come eventually (we're 90% of the way there now with NACS taking over), and pricing, well, that'll be no different than how a gas station in one place can charge more than a gas station down the street or in the next town, consumers will have to shop around for the best price still if they care enough to.

In the end, 98% of our charging will be in the convenience of our own driveway as is the case with most EV owners...with a 400-500km range on the extended range model we bought I cannot see many circumstances where we'll even *need* public charging except for the occasional road trip, or possibly if we end up towing on a far trip - it has a 2000-3000# tow rating so it'll tow our camper just fine if we wanted to. Our Gen2 Volt will maintain the bulk of any long distance camper hauling duties though.
 
I was going to say, EV or not EV, Porche service is going to be stupid expensive. That whole article and video is a hackjob by someone who openly declares himself as Anti-EV. Dude also owns an ICE porche and mentions he pays >$800 for an oil change (and apparently that's perfectly OK?), but his service on the Taycan cost $100 more which seems inconsequential in the world of Porche, but if course, he needed new tires on that same visit, so that jacked the price to $1800, and $1800 is a bigger number than $800, and that's what he's upset about. :rolleyes:

I guess tires on his Porche Boxter are free.
You're being disingenuous in your arguement because you fell into the bias trap. Whether he supports EVs or not is irrelevant to the data.

Forget the tires for a moment, the 'service' on a product without an engine or many if any moving parts is more then his previous Porsche. I think that's a fair critique, what on earth requires $100 more?

It was also not 'just oil change'.

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Now for the tires, if the vehicle is heavier and thus requires more frequent tire changes, sure that's a cost that's perhaps not discussed. First time I've considered it, but in the large scheme of things it's kind of a moot point.

I'm not saying someone should buy a product like a Porsche and not expect to open the wallet, I live in luxury brand land myself now..pay to play..but the breakdown would be interesting to evaluate. Also frequency of service would be important to note as well, x2 oil changes per one 'service' for EV based on mileage? etc.
 
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People don’t seem to factor in the fact that high end cars…come with high end service costs.

I know plenty of people that buy used BMW, MB, Volvo or Porsche for a cheap because ‘I can’t believe how good of a deal I got! Stupid not to take it at this price!’ And are promptly shocked when a brake job costs $5000 or a regular service is $1000 in comparison to their previous Honda, Toyota, or Hyundai.

He’ll even my VW needs a 500$ oil change with hydraulic flush…or $300 at an indie shop.
 

That's a troll post (of which there are many), but anybody who buys a Porsche (of any sort) in order to have low running costs, is out of their mind.

I can count on one hand the number of times the hood of my Bolt has been opened (just short of 70 000 km right now). A couple times to see what it looks like under there, a couple times to refill the windscreen washer fluid bottle, a couple times in the process of applying paint protection film to the front of the hood. It's been in the shop a few times for swapping between winter and summer tires (and the summer wheels still have the original-equipment tires on them). There was one recall to deal with the seat belt pretensioner, and one warranty fix because the hatch-release button stopped working, which is the one and only "thing gone wrong".

"Filling it up" plugged in at home overnight costs $6 and that's from completely empty to completely full, which never actually happens.

The last time I used a DC fast-charger was when I went to Grand Bend for CSBK this past summer. The bill from the ChargePoint across the road from the Timmies in Grand Bend, was $3.80.
 
You're being disingenuous in your arguement because you fell into the bias trap. Whether he supports EVs or not is irrelevant to the data.

Forget the tires for a moment, the 'service' on a product without an engine or many if any moving parts is more then his previous Porsche. I think that's a fair critique, what on earth requires $100 more?

It was also not 'just oil change'.

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Now for the tires, if the vehicle is heavier and thus requires more frequent tire changes, sure that's a cost that's perhaps not discussed. First time I've considered it, but in the large scheme of things it's kind of a moot point.

I'm not saying someone should buy a product like a Porsche and not expect to open the wallet, I live in luxury brand land myself now..pay to play..but the breakdown would be interesting to evaluate.
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Not really an informative breakdown, but i guess this was the checks required? Visually it appears like its more labor vs parts + labor?
 
That's a troll post (of which there are many), but anybody who buys a Porsche (of any sort) in order to have low running costs, is out of their mind.

I can count on one hand the number of times the hood of my Bolt has been opened (just short of 70 000 km right now). A couple times to see what it looks like under there, a couple times to refill the windscreen washer fluid bottle, a couple times in the process of applying paint protection film to the front of the hood. It's been in the shop a few times for swapping between winter and summer tires (and the summer wheels still have the original-equipment tires on them). There was one recall to deal with the seat belt pretensioner, and one warranty fix because the hatch-release button stopped working, which is the one and only "thing gone wrong".

"Filling it up" plugged in at home overnight costs $6 and that's from completely empty to completely full, which never actually happens.

The last time I used a DC fast-charger was when I went to Grand Bend for CSBK this past summer. The bill from the ChargePoint across the road from the Timmies in Grand Bend, was $3.80.
See my response to PP.
 
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