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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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Thing never ceases to amaze me on range ... I woke up to a 90% charge today showing 430 km. That equates to 477 at 100%. I can EASILY see mid to upper 500's come May/June, heck even into the 600's I'd wager.
The milder weather makes a large impact, as expected.
Here's an example of the pointlessness of hydrogen. I knew this was in the works but hadn't seen anything written about it yet. Same-ish range as an EV, and the hydrogen tanks eat up luggage space (the Mirai has this issue, too). Why does this exist???
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I don't get it either ... they'll sell what, maybe 3?Here's an example of the pointlessness of hydrogen. I knew this was in the works but hadn't seen anything written about it yet. Same-ish range as an EV, and the hydrogen tanks eat up luggage space (the Mirai has this issue, too). Why does this exist???
The 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV Is A Hydrogen Plug-In Hybrid, For Real
Meet a very different CR-V, and the first production plug-in hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle ever made. But can owners find fuel?
So basically you need to run on ONLY EV power because last I checked...there aren't too many hydrogen filling stations in Ontario...if it ever sees the light of day in Canada.Here's an example of the pointlessness of hydrogen. I knew this was in the works but hadn't seen anything written about it yet. Same-ish range as an EV, and the hydrogen tanks eat up luggage space (the Mirai has this issue, too). Why does this exist???
The 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV Is A Hydrogen Plug-In Hybrid, For Real
Meet a very different CR-V, and the first production plug-in hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle ever made. But can owners find fuel?
I don't think light vehicle will be successful for H. More for heavy trucks boats and planes.
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Green hydrogen supplies will tend to rise with the increase in solar and wind renewables which needa storage medium.
Australia is also pursuing gov supported H.
India too.
H is still a dark horse in my view but......
I also wonder how much the interest is driven by the ff industry with natural gas as an H source
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Australia is also pursuing gov supported H.
India too.
H is still a dark horse in my view but......
I also wonder how much the interest is driven by the ff industry with natural gas as an H source
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I also wonder how much the interest is driven by the ff industry with natural gas as an H source
Downplay EVs by any means possible. "Won't tow my house trailer across the country". "Can't refill in 5 minutes". And the big one "We don't have the infrastructure". Fail to point out that the hydrogen route requires at least 3 times more renewable-source energy to get a vehicle down the road (More than that, if you use combustion engines rather than fuel cells.) Fail to point out that while EVs can piggyback on top of infrastructure that we already have, hydrogen requires an entirely new infrastructure starting from the ground up. All in the interest of preserving the existing petrol-filling-station mindset. Promote hydrogen as the fuel of the future while failing to point out that it's a future that is a terrible idea and is never going to happen. It's the "climate delayer" action - by getting people to hold off buying EVs now because of the promise of hydrogen-fueled vehicles just over the horizon, they keep people buying fossil fuel because that hydrogen-fueled vision is never going to happen, thus delaying the changeover to EVs, and if by some miracle it does happen, the hydrogen will mostly be natural gas masquerading as something else.
I have no issues with EVs at all .....it's heavy lifting that is difficult to scale.
I'm hardly an "agw denier" but I also see H as another tool in the carbon neutral box for some categories.
I was quite taken with this when iit arrived in the mail in 1973
H and EV light duty are different frames of reference.
ARS has a good take on it
arstechnica.com
Is there a concerted effort to dis EVs by vested interests ?....you bet despite owners almost universal happiness with their purchase.
I'd generally put it down to the press....
stuff like this
I'm hardly an "agw denier" but I also see H as another tool in the carbon neutral box for some categories.
I was quite taken with this when iit arrived in the mail in 1973
I can't think of anyone who would delay an EV purchase to wait on H.....that's a silly claim.....especially with the drop in prices of EVs now.
H and EV light duty are different frames of reference.
ARS has a good take on it
Forget passenger cars, here’s where hydrogen make sense in transport
Hydrogen is attractive to trucking and ports, but only if it’s clean.
arstechnica.com
Is there a concerted effort to dis EVs by vested interests ?....you bet despite owners almost universal happiness with their purchase.
I'd generally put it down to the press....
stuff like this
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Yup, there is no shortage of people putting clickbait articles on the internet everywhere, and no shortage of mainstream media writing up even more clickbait in the interest of selling more of their own product ("news").
Clickbait "Tesla is cutting prices amid slowing sales" (Not wrong but nuances leading to this situation are ignored)
Clickbait "Ford is stopping EV production" (No ... they're delaying a previously-planned production increase. It's not wrong to say that the rate of increase has slowed and they have perhaps fewer early-adopters willing to spend $100k on a vehicle. And how many are holding off waiting for native SAE J3400 charging connectors so as to not need an adapter?)
Clickbait "Toyota/BMW/etc hydrogen engine puts an end to EVs" (I don't know how many times I've seen variations of this probably-AI-generated words .... I refuse to call it an "article" because that would give it a shade of legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.)
Reality from a legit source A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc.
Who's on a roll in the North American EV market?
Hyundai (and its Kia and Genesis cousins).
And, deservedly so.
Clickbait "Tesla is cutting prices amid slowing sales" (Not wrong but nuances leading to this situation are ignored)
Clickbait "Ford is stopping EV production" (No ... they're delaying a previously-planned production increase. It's not wrong to say that the rate of increase has slowed and they have perhaps fewer early-adopters willing to spend $100k on a vehicle. And how many are holding off waiting for native SAE J3400 charging connectors so as to not need an adapter?)
Clickbait "Toyota/BMW/etc hydrogen engine puts an end to EVs" (I don't know how many times I've seen variations of this probably-AI-generated words .... I refuse to call it an "article" because that would give it a shade of legitimacy that it doesn't deserve.)
Reality from a legit source A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc.
Who's on a roll in the North American EV market?
Hyundai (and its Kia and Genesis cousins).
And, deservedly so.
There definitely can be better messaging on the benefits EV provides and how to deal with perceived road blocks.
They are not direct replacements for ICE equivalent vehicles. Just in the same way a pick up isn’t necessary to commute to work or a smart car isn’t ideal for a contractor.
They can work just fine for many applications and we are very fortunate that several households have more than one vehicle. Not everyone needs to drive from Montreal to Windsor on a regular basis.
We still don’t car pool very well and we still don’t move a lot of people collectively from one place to another with solutions such as subways and light rail. But, we are getting there.
We don’t need all downtown Toronto condos to have charging stations. Some don’t even have parking spaces.
The manufacturers and market will adjust as things improve. I see EVs gaining traction. We are a long way off from replacing ICE. Then again, I didn’t see how quickly smart phones would become what they are today from the Nokia lump that I thought was pretty fancy back in the 90s.
Hope to be wrong about my opinion and see things change quicker than expected.
They are not direct replacements for ICE equivalent vehicles. Just in the same way a pick up isn’t necessary to commute to work or a smart car isn’t ideal for a contractor.
They can work just fine for many applications and we are very fortunate that several households have more than one vehicle. Not everyone needs to drive from Montreal to Windsor on a regular basis.
We still don’t car pool very well and we still don’t move a lot of people collectively from one place to another with solutions such as subways and light rail. But, we are getting there.
We don’t need all downtown Toronto condos to have charging stations. Some don’t even have parking spaces.
The manufacturers and market will adjust as things improve. I see EVs gaining traction. We are a long way off from replacing ICE. Then again, I didn’t see how quickly smart phones would become what they are today from the Nokia lump that I thought was pretty fancy back in the 90s.
Hope to be wrong about my opinion and see things change quicker than expected.
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nothing could be further from the truth.
The shrewd Japanese were right all along, whether you want to admit it or not.
ALL of them, esp Toyota were skeptical of the EV hype. Unlike GM and Ford, who dove in head first, and we now see whats happening with that. (delaying, back pedaling and introducing more hybrids)
The Japanese all have their EV rollout plans, even they know we will be heading towards an EV future at some point, but they weren't stupid about it like GM and Ford.
As a result, Toyota is enjoying record sales and profits with the current hybrid strategy.
The Japanese also, and I think they are right, are gambling that EV isn't the "only" way to go for ZEV, hence hydrogen.
Why does this exist???
The 2025 Honda CR-V e:FCEV Is A Hydrogen Plug-In Hybrid, For Real
Meet a very different CR-V, and the first production plug-in hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicle ever made. But can owners find fuel?
It's built by the same loving hands that crafted the magnificient NSX and in the same factory.
Still not worth it.
you won't have to worry, its only going to be sold in Cali.
IMO, the best thing for pro-hydrogen automakers (BMW, MB, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai + ) would be to pull a Tesla and join forces to start their own Hydrogen fill station business.
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