It doesnt even have to be organized collusion. Do it the same as gas stations here. Everybody watches and moves prices to maximize profitability. Without a major altruistic competitor to anchor rates they climb quickly.
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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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Oof. I don't think I'd own a BEV if I didn't have access to charging at home. A UK charging station company has raised their prices from £0.49/kwh in June to £1/kwh now. That's pricey. At a typical 12 kwh/100 km that is really close to the same cost as gas (and the vehicle cost a lot more up front). They are the most expensive network for now but others have little reason not to aim for a similar number. People with BEV's and no charging at home are stuck with market rates.
Osprey increases prices to £1 per kWh for EV charging amid soaring energy costs
The electric vehicle charging company Osprey has announced an enormous hike in the cost to use its rapid chargers, becoming the first operator to increase prices to £1 per kilowatt hour, with the new pricing coming into effect from September 15.www.driving.co.uk
Finding public level 3 stations that end up costing (on a per km basis) baseically the same as a gas car would cost isn't that hard here. Been to more than a few of them.
The difference is...they're a convenience item. When we were travelling with the Ioniq we just paid whatever it was....and yeah, sometimes it cost more than gas in a comparably sized car, honestly.
But it's important to remember that pretty much all EV owners charge in their own driveway at night at far reduced rates vs public chargers.
Speaking of energy rates....I wonder what happened to Douggies proposed "super off peak" rate thing he floated? It likely floated away one he got elected again.
that is being really generous. the most efficient BEV currently is only at 15kwh / 100km.
that's a lot of charging money... £15/100km
I don't think it's all that generous. If you believe some members on this forum, the Bolt is a steaming turd that needs to be put out of its misery and it can hit close to that number in real world use. 15 kwh/100 km is a reasonable number too. I wouldn't argue too much within 12-15 range. It depends mostly on driving habits and speed.
highway is where you lose a ton of efficiency with BEVs.
12.4 was without long highway or any over 100kph, mixed would definitely be up much higher.
Again could go both ways depending on driver and conditions, but I'm looking at EPA ratings and majority of people are less efficient (ICE and EVs).
My dad used to have a long highway commute and a CB in his car. Have a chat with truckers and occasionally they would invite him to tuck in behind. Drafting a TT dramatically reduced his fuel consumption (if you got close enough, almost no throttle required). Definitely not the safest as there is no reaction time and you are relying on the trucker to let you know if something is happening.
On a related note, Toyota is showing off wireless towing. I think the name is slightly ridiculous but it is another step along the way to inter-vehicle communication and control. If BEV's could form a train and computers controlled following distance (really close), average consumption would drop. Not sure if they would bother with the first one dropping back for a rest like a peleton as that would increase complexity. The first one is probably using less battery than running alone with a vehicle tucked right in so they are winning a little, the ones behind will be winning a lot.
it's a great idea and if cars could talk to one another while driving autonomously we would reduce traffic by a huge amount as well but IMO would only work in a world where all cars on the road is autonomous. All it takes is one idiot cutting in or suddenly braking for no reason to screw up the whole train.
my new insult on the road is: 'my tesla drives better than you'
The cars on the train could be close enough to avoid letting a dumb car in. If a dumb car did manage to push it's way in, train just splits in two and continues. The mechanics of the train would be interesting. If you put better or worse than oem brakes/tires on your vehicle, the computer may have trouble dealing with an emergency stop. As distances close, small differences matter. Now, computer could automatically sort the cars (eg fast braking cars to the inside of the lane, slow braking cars to the outside to allow more space). Not sure how the computer would know which was which unless the car did a quick threshold brake check once in a while to record performance.
also weight of the vehicles. tiny econocars and a big fullsize SUV have different stopping distances.
meant more about people cutting the whole train off. also, if a vehicle starts forcing it's way in, what does the computer do? once more autonomous cars start showing up, I foresee drivers taking advantage of how computers react/drive.
Highway HOV becomes smart train lane, no dumb vehicles allowed....
We cant even keep people from crossing the do-not-cross line every 100m. Unless the lane is physically protected, dumb cars will be there. I am all for tire deflators protecting the line and autonomous vehicles can lower them. Let the entitled pricks pay for a few thousand in tires. Use the straw deflators so they go down slowly and arent a major safety issue. Make the straw punch a big enough hole that patching doesn't work, flow restrictor to control deflation speed.
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On the social engineering side, I suspect that a light bar with individually addressable red lights that start near the centre and rapidly move out will send optically-guided computer controlled vehicles into panic mode as it thinks they are rapidly approaching a vehicle with brakes on.
that would only work with Teslas as they don't have radar. every other manufacturer has lidar or similar to detect objects.
Fair enough, but it seems like Teslas are the ones that it needs to work for.
d = stopping distance (m)
v = velocity of the car (m/s)
μ = coefficient of friction (unitless)
g = acceleration due to gravity (9.80 m/s²)
I see no weight in the math.
coefficient of friction, µ = friction force/normal force (gravity force - or weight)
d = stopping distance (m)
v = velocity of the car (m/s)
μ = coefficient of friction (unitless)
g = acceleration due to gravity (9.80 m/s²)
I see no weight in the math.
we can test it with an econocar and a fully loaded truck if you have any doubts.
There was this dude named Newton, he had these "laws" for physics..... second one.... f=ma. In the case of braking a is "negative."
d = stopping distance (m)
v = velocity of the car (m/s)
μ = coefficient of friction (unitless)
g = acceleration due to gravity (9.80 m/s²)
I see no weight in the math.
Middle school or basic high school level physics.... too long of an explanation to bother posting but simply put the formula you quoted does actually include mass.
This thread is bringing me flashbacks of my university physics classes. Glad I’ve got my textbooks still (for whatever reason).
Wow. So far detached from the reality of a normal person that he cant even see it. Liberal MP at their best.
No #^@% you didnt have any battery issues when you were getting a new electric car every 2.5 years. Even the stinker leaf could survive that cycle.
No #^@% you didnt have any battery issues when you were getting a new electric car every 2.5 years. Even the stinker leaf could survive that cycle.
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