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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

The plan is to end ice production by 2030. What's the plan for all the employees of these engine factories? Linamar is the biggest employer in Guelph. How long will they be producing spare parts? Supporting businesses for the factories. Restaurants etc. Gone? Gas station convenience stores. Gone?
Government needs to do some planning. Or just leave it for the next group.

I don't do work for Linamar, mostly their biggest competitor :) so I don't know Linamar's situation, but the one(s) that I'm involved with, will be fine. Most of the car is the same, and the bits that are taken out relative to a combustion-engine vehicle are just replaced with other bits. EVs are not simpler, they just have some different parts in them.

We already build parts for EVs ... lots of them.

Petrol stations already make most of their money from the attached convenience stores. We are NOT there yet, not even close, but Norway is ... petrol stations have been pulling out pumps and replacing them with fast-charging stations, and the bigger chains have been installing coffee shops and small restaurants and seating areas and the like, which are consistent with people staying 20 minutes instead of 2.

It will be fine.
 
When I was thinking of net meter solar I checked our usage. We are more than 90% off peak. Solar/battery would buy flexibility and convenience with thinks happening on-peak fornreasonable cost.
We would be mostly off peak if wife didn't WFH.

She's defeated the thermostats daytime setbacks.
 
Did you read the report? There is nothing I can find that supports your claim.

I average 50kw/day over the year, 65% off peak. I did a rough calculation for my house (I already have things organized to use off peak wherever possible ), if I do nothing I'll save $600/year.

I can think of a few other things that would add to the savings.
- add some house batteries. A TESLA 14KW power wall costs about $10K. By storing power, I could easily offset 10kwh/day.
The italicized portion was a quote from the report. It says we may all pay more in year two to offset losses in year one.
Again I just call it as I see it.
 
The italicized portion was a quote from the report. It says we may all pay more in year two to offset losses in year one.
Again I just call it as I see it.
Is that quote from the report or a pundits OpEd?

I read the report, I can't see any losers.
 
When I was thinking of net meter solar I checked our usage. We are more than 90% off peak. Solar/battery would buy flexibility and convenience with thinks happening on-peak fornreasonable cost.

We definitely lean towards off peak, but there are some things that are just unavoidable in the summer during peak times...the main one being the central AC. It's original to the house (coming up on 35 years old) and we could probably save quite a lot by just upgrading the AC unit itself to a more modern energy efficient model, but I keep waiting for it to die beforehand as the cost of replacement on energy savings alone probably has a fairly long ROI. I guess I should do some revised math on that. We'd have to do the furnace at the same time however realistically (It's also original to the house, but keeps on kicking) to see if it all does indeed make sense however. Big outlay for a whole new HVAC though.

Pool pump is a close second for sure, although we have a variable speed which is actually quite energy efficient (down to only a few hundred watts) when running at lower speed but really does need to be running at least on low during the hottest summer days to keep the water stirred and avoid any algae issues.
 
Someone has to pay for Twitter.

 
Someone has to pay for Twitter.

Some of their other models were not allowed to be bought out at the end of the lease. I think the 3.

As I understand it they’re possibly being used to build an automated fleet for whatever…
 
Some of their other models were not allowed to be bought out at the end of the lease. I think the 3.

As I understand it they’re possibly being used to build an automated fleet for whatever…
Some of the fanatics are predicting a huge stock jump this year as the robot fleet comes online. I am extremely pessimistic that with current tesla hardware any self-driving is possible. Driver assist sure, they are ahead in that game (as long as you ignore their autopilot and self-driving bs marketing).
 
Is that quote from the report or a pundits OpEd?

I read the report, I can't see any losers.
You got me. It was in the verbage from the link & probably not in the report.
 
You got me. It was in the verbage from the link & probably not in the report.
I think you're going to find lots of 'whining' every time an idea is floated around - sombody has to take down 'the man'.

In this case it looks like a win for all. We (Ontarians) get access to the cheap 2.5 cent/kwh non-peak power OPG has been dumping into the USA for half a cent /KWH. Every Ontarian subsidizes that power today.

Hydro will see some migration to cheaper power, but that should be offset by the increase of 2 cents/kwh over the current overnight dump rate.

We might be able to attract high energy users, like induction furnace smelters, to Ontario --today they all go to QC for cheap overnight power (which Ontario also dumps to QC).

It also might reduce the grid demand, softening the need to invest into more expensive generation or increased burn of fossil fuels.

Not everyone likes Doug, but when a good idea comes forward, speculating that it's a devil in disguise is a passion for some. Sometimes it just a good idea.
 
Sorry if I come across as not trusting of politicians. I have no idea where such a notion would come from.
 
Not everyone likes Doug, but when a good idea comes forward, speculating that it's a devil in disguise is a passion for some. Sometimes it just a good idea.

Good example: the election has just started ramping up, the parties are just starting to put adds on TV, and (it seems like) every other commercial for the past 3-4 weeks has been the unions tripping over each other to air their propaganda/fake "news".
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust politicians any further than I can throw them. But ... what we've seen of this SO FAR ... i.e. just changing to paperless submission and with a couple things to maybe address fraud ... No problem. If this morphs into UK MoT or German TuV periodic inspections then that is a hard no from me.
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't trust politicians any further than I can throw them. But ... what we've seen of this SO FAR ... i.e. just changing to paperless submission and with a couple things to maybe address fraud ... No problem. If this morphs into UK MoT or German TuV periodic inspections then that is a hard no from me.
I don't think that's in the cards under Ford's watch -- he's not big on increasing regulation.

The current Service Ontario thing was largely a an expensive job creation program designed to offset factory job losses under the McGinty watch, it was funded by revenues from stickers. McGinty killed off cost saving kiosks and e-reg options in favor of padding his job creation numbers. It cost about the same to run as they collected in sticker fees.

Like the low cost power thing, scrapping sticker fees eliminates a huge gov't cost AND saves Ontarians money. Maybe just a good idea?

When are we getting $1 beers?
 
We use room ac here on days so hot Ontario never sees those temps and only rarely needed

High end fans are the ticket instead

Home efficiency is the next big thing on the savings/climate horizon and the high end fans are a big part.
 
Seeing reports on Reddit that Tesla is getting rid of their L1 chargers that come with the cars.

BS move in my opinion…especially if you don’t discount the cars accordingly.
 
Doesn't seem to be any inspection for this at all....it just...happens.

The part about on-peak increasing sucks though...there is some stuff you just can't avoid during on peak, like AC in the summer. Tying this to the "new super low EV off peak rate" will just piss off more people and make them hate EV's even more than they might already.

In unrelated news, watching Dougie suddenly jizzing in his pants about clean energy and EV's blah blah blah after all the **** he did to damage all that when he got elected puts even more of a sour taste in my mouth for this dolt. The "here's a bunch of money back from your licence plates" vote buying scheme, plus the "we'll cut gas taxes after we get elected" vote buying scheme #2, even more of a bad taste.

I can't wait for him to be shown the door in a few weeks.

Anyhow, as for storage to take advantage of the super off peak rates to feed the house during on peak, well, I'd have to do some math on the ROI potential. Used Volt packs can be found for $2000-$3000 (not sure about others, but Volt packs are popular) and give you about 13kwh usable each. Looking at my stats for our central AC, I see we used somewhere in the vicinity of 25 to 30 kwh in the peak days in August, for example, so to power JUST the central air I'd need at least 2 Volt packs (and that could still run short on the worst hot days unless you push depletion a little more even, not good for pack longevity) plus all the inverters and such. So, realistically probably something like $8-$10K investment...just for AC.

At 15c/kwh at 30kwh per day, $4.50 per day potential savings. So assuming 120 air conditioning days over an average summer, $540 savings in a single summer.

Over the winter, we're powered by gas, and our actual consumption is much less. On Saturday March 26th for example, 1 day where I could see our usage was pretty low and neither car charged (so just "actual" usage, no cars involved) we used just around 30kwh for the entire day. So even if we took the house completely offline during the peak and mid peak rates, what, maybe 3/4 of that would be saved? So say 22kwh saved, $3.30/day. x30 days = basically $100/month in the winter.

So, ROI on a $10K off grid system would be surprisingly long.

If you can find some 10+kwh packs on the cheap, the math changes....but used EV packs are hot commodities right now so cheap ones don't really exist.
Unless you build your own system from scratch, this probably isnt financially viable. A 9kw inverter/controller/charger is in the ballpark of $10k. It can tie to grid, solar, battery and generator at the same time and control load from each so no hard switching is required. It likes voltage of ~48 volts but some have flexibility. BES batteries are a lot more expensive than used ev batteries (in the ballpark of $1000/kwh). Canadian electrical code comes into force in May. Special inspection required for battery systems and many requirements. If the battery is in a car you sidestep the regulatory mess. Park a written off tesla in your garage and that's ok, take the battery out and put it in the garage and bend over.
 

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