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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?
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The OEB report notes that all residential hydro customer bills would see a slight increase in the second year too recover any lost revenue caused by the OETOU plan in its first year.
In laymen's terms that means that rich people can charge their EV on the cheap and have others help carry the cost. Nicely played Mr ford.
In laymen's terms that means that rich people can charge their EV on the cheap and have others help carry the cost. Nicely played Mr ford.
I'm going to get rough price for battery energy storage. It wont be cheap but you can cut your hydro bill by >50% it may he viable. With 90% cheaper power at night, that may be possible. Again, the person struggling pays more to subsidize those that can afford to manipulate the system.
Not sure where to put this. Figured this thread fit:
subpar EV batteries are good for that purpose.
Storage: Retirement home for old EV batteries?
The global shift from petroleum-fuelled to electric vehicles (EVs) has flagged an "urgency" in finding ways to reuse or recycle retired EV batteries [i] .
www.energycouncil.com.au
These Batteries Can't Power a Car—but They Can Light Up a City
Entrepreneurs are devising innovative ways to reuse spent electric vehicle batteries. One promising idea is storing power from solar and wind farms.
Repurposing used EV batteries for energy storage
ECO STOR has designed a solution that repurposes used electric vehicle batteries to provide affordable energy storage for commercial buildings. “Our company is positioned between two megatrends: the enormous growth of renewable energy and the electrification of transportation. This is creating a...
www.theexplorer.no
Doesn't seem to be any inspection for this at all....it just...happens.
The part about on-peak increasing sucks though...there is some stuff you just can't avoid during on peak, like AC in the summer. Tying this to the "new super low EV off peak rate" will just piss off more people and make them hate EV's even more than they might already.
In unrelated news, watching Dougie suddenly jizzing in his pants about clean energy and EV's blah blah blah after all the **** he did to damage all that when he got elected puts even more of a sour taste in my mouth for this dolt. The "here's a bunch of money back from your licence plates" vote buying scheme, plus the "we'll cut gas taxes after we get elected" vote buying scheme #2, even more of a bad taste.
I can't wait for him to be shown the door in a few weeks.
Anyhow, as for storage to take advantage of the super off peak rates to feed the house during on peak, well, I'd have to do some math on the ROI potential. Used Volt packs can be found for $2000-$3000 (not sure about others, but Volt packs are popular) and give you about 13kwh usable each. Looking at my stats for our central AC, I see we used somewhere in the vicinity of 25 to 30 kwh in the peak days in August, for example, so to power JUST the central air I'd need at least 2 Volt packs (and that could still run short on the worst hot days unless you push depletion a little more even, not good for pack longevity) plus all the inverters and such. So, realistically probably something like $8-$10K investment...just for AC.
At 15c/kwh at 30kwh per day, $4.50 per day potential savings. So assuming 120 air conditioning days over an average summer, $540 savings in a single summer.
Over the winter, we're powered by gas, and our actual consumption is much less. On Saturday March 26th for example, 1 day where I could see our usage was pretty low and neither car charged (so just "actual" usage, no cars involved) we used just around 30kwh for the entire day. So even if we took the house completely offline during the peak and mid peak rates, what, maybe 3/4 of that would be saved? So say 22kwh saved, $3.30/day. x30 days = basically $100/month in the winter.
So, ROI on a $10K off grid system would be surprisingly long.
If you can find some 10+kwh packs on the cheap, the math changes....but used EV packs are hot commodities right now so cheap ones don't really exist.
15 c/kwh peak is low. Probably closer to 20.
As for the peak day, as with the Ontario generation problem, sizing to cover the peak day is the most expensive possible solution with the longest payback. You size the system to cover average usage and use someone else to cover the peaks. With the volt packs, probably use one so it goes through a full cycle every day. When the battery is depleted, go back on grid. The huge advantage to using your car as the battery is you get to skip the most expensive part of the system as you already have it and for most people it is incredibly underutilized.
The other way to potentially reduce battery cost is using BES solutions. Lower power density than EV battery as that is acceptable. Very very few used though so you are probably stuck with new.
Nope, they all suck. But Douggie has made too many misteps in my mind to be rewarded for another 4 years to do it again, IMHO..
I like how he handled Covid, until the end where he's just decided Covid is over when it's really kinda not.
And his flip-flopping on many things (case in point here, the topic of EV's) doesn't sit well with me.
So lets try someone else who will probably do all the same ****.
to be fair, every politician leading this country has made the same call. and quite a lot of the public.
any who, the devil you know..
While I don't disagree with your characterization of douggie, the liberals running del duca who was an integral member of team corruption is appalling. They are obviously happy with that leadership style and I would hope we very clearly let them know we are not.
As for Horvath, damn is she either stupid or pretending to be. Wants to raise minimum wage for daycare workers to $26. No thought given for how to pay for such a thing nor any consideration to workers in other jobs that will be left behind when she picks winners and losers. She also criticized douggie for not ventilating all classrooms and cutting class sizes by 50% over xmas break. She should never get near any policy decision yet alone one that affects the public. Complete looney tunes.
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I don't disagree, but a few simple choices (like keeping masking in a few more select high transmission environments, like...schools) for a handful of weeks might have helped somewhat. The level of transmission in schools and the number of teachers and other staff off sick right now as a result of covid is off the charts.
I agree we need to move on, but doing so with reckless abandon puts us in Floriduh territory.
Anyhow, whatever happens happens, lets not let this thread go full potato with politics. It's over 5 years old now and has led to a lot of interesting conversation, would be a shame to see it locked.
The plan is to end ice production by 2030. What's the plan for all the employees of these engine factories? Linamar is the biggest employer in Guelph. How long will they be producing spare parts? Supporting businesses for the factories. Restaurants etc. Gone? Gas station convenience stores. Gone?
Government needs to do some planning. Or just leave it for the next group.
Government needs to do some planning. Or just leave it for the next group.
With any luck the companies themselves will be forward looking and seek new contracts in the new realities.
But some will be left behind and disappear. Buggy makers come to mind. It’s just reality.
Mad Mike
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Did you read the report? There is nothing I can find that supports your claim.
I average 50kw/day over the year, 65% off peak. I did a rough calculation for my house (I already have things organized to use off peak wherever possible ), if I do nothing I'll save $600/year.
I can think of a few other things that would add to the savings.
- add some house batteries. A TESLA 14KW power wall costs about $10K. By storing power, I could easily offset 10kwh/day.
Mad Mike
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You can't have everything. Even with the jiggling of tier prices, the net cost should be lower for everyone.
You might be missing some very important benefits. Diverting demand reduces the use of fossil fuels, opens employment and investment opportunities for energy intensive industry, and most important it cancels part of the dubsidy we all pay to dump the overnight power.
A lot of wins in this.
Unlike McGinty $1B purchase of Oakville votes, or Wynnes pre election gifts to virtually every PSU.
Unlike Liberals, the pledge to cut rates is a mandate issue, not a poison pill for the next govt.
Strap in, I think you have a few more years with Doug.
Oh, trust me, I have no issues at all with this plan for ultra low overnight rates. It's something that happens in a lot of other areas already, and has been for a long time. And yes, it will hopefully shift enough usage to those hours that the we stop paying bordering US states to take our unwanted and unneeded overnight generation.
The second it comes into effect I'll be reprogramming both of our cars to not start charging until 11pm, zero question. The cost of driving just gets cheaper again....something not many people can say right now.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
One thing I have learned is those with off grid power learn how to manage their energy usage, so is expect those who invest in storage solutions will gain further benefits.
When I was thinking of net meter solar I checked our usage. We are more than 90% off peak. Solar/battery would buy flexibility and convenience with thinks happening on-peak fornreasonable cost.
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