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Any GTAM'ers own an electric vehicle?

That illustration purporting to be a Ram EV pickup is purely a figment of someone's imagination at this time.

Stellantis does have something cooking, but they're keeping quiet about it. To be honest, I'm not sure if the design is finalised yet.
 
They programmed them to run stop signs at up to 5.6 mph? The mind boggles that this crap is allowed on public roads at all. Tesla can obviously not be trusted without iron fisted oversight.

They think like a software company
 
How have we not heard of all the lawsuits over this?
 
Good luck getting the data from tesla when it's your kid that got flattened. Data has mysteriously disappeared a few times IIRC.
I'm not sure the data matters for a conviction. There's the driver to say he was using FSD when it ran the red. If it then comes to a "he said she said" versus the driver and the car to prove or disprove what the driver is saying, then I hear ya ... sad if Tesla throws the driver under the bus as the one at fault.

Either way, someone's getting sued and if the driver was truly using FSD, I can see him joining in the lawsuit against Tesla ... Tesla may mysteriously erase any data but man they're taking a HUGE risk - just ask VW with their diesel emissions-hiding shenanigans.
 
I'm not sure the data matters for a conviction. There's the driver to say he was using FSD when it ran the red. If it then comes to a "he said she said" versus the driver and the car to prove or disprove what the driver is saying, then I hear ya ... sad if Tesla throws the driver under the bus as the one at fault.

Either way, someone's getting sued and if the driver was truly using FSD, I can see him joining in the lawsuit against Tesla ... Tesla may mysteriously erase any data but man they're taking a HUGE risk - just ask VW with their diesel emissions-hiding shenanigans.
Marketing calls it full self-driving. Legal agreement that you accept to use it is very different. All crashes are legally the fault of the driver and Tesla is absolved. Similar to a driver blaming ABS for the crash. I still thing Tesla should be sued into oblivion and lose for crap like "Auto pilot" and "Full self driving" as those are fraudulently misleading terms to describe the systems they sell.
 
Marketing calls it full self-driving. Legal agreement that you accept to use it is very different. All crashes are legally the fault of the driver and Tesla is absolved. Similar to a driver blaming ABS for the crash. I still thing Tesla should be sued into oblivion and lose for crap like "Auto pilot" and "Full self driving" as those are fraudulently misleading terms to describe the systems they sell.
I'm not sure you can compare a feature like ABS to FSD. With ABS the driver is still "in control" of the car (using throttle, steering wheel, brakes). With FSD the driver is a passenger when it's engaged with no control at all.

However, is there a clause on some legal agreement when someone buys a Tesla saying Tesla absolves itself of any responsibility with FSD? Never knew if true. I can see it happening though - like when I got my LAZIK years ago, the clinic asks you to sign a waiver.
 
I'm not sure you can compare a feature like ABS to FSD. With ABS the driver is still "in control" of the car (using throttle, steering wheel, brakes). With FSD the driver is a passenger when it's engaged with no control at all.

However, is there a clause on some legal agreement when someone buys a Tesla saying Tesla absolves itself of any responsibility with FSD? Never knew if true. I can see it happening though - like when I got my LAZIK years ago, the clinic asks you to sign a waiver.
I am sure there will be a more official/legalese version but straight from their website, Auto pilot is very similar to ABS.

Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous.

The currently enabled Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.
 
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Ah, so the FSD is really not FULL SD. Sounds like a misnomer to me then. Wonder if in the future Tesla will be defending that name in court as it's easily misconstrued.
 
FSD is a joke. Beta and will never be full self driving with using only cameras.

Auto-pilot seems to be widely misunderstood.
it does what exactly it's name suggest, autopilot on a plane doesn't avoid obstacles or land/take-off, it just holds altitude and speed.
auto-pilot is just fancy cruise control. it wasn't new tech when it came out, although it worked a lot better than most of the competition.
like with any cruise control, you need to be in control and pay attention.
all these autopilot crashes are just ****** drivers.
 
FSD is a joke. Beta and will never be full self driving with using only cameras.

Auto-pilot seems to be widely misunderstood.
it does what exactly it's name suggest, autopilot on a plane doesn't avoid obstacles or land/take-off, it just holds altitude and speed.
auto-pilot is just fancy cruise control. it wasn't new tech when it came out, although it worked a lot better than most of the competition.
like with any cruise control, you need to be in control and pay attention.
all these autopilot crashes are just ****** drivers.
To be fair, callig it autopilot, programming it to change lanes etc is BS. Make it radar cruise, call it radar cruise and I have no issues. Autopilot in a plane can maintain direction and altitude (rarely throttle). Autopilot in a tesla controls throttle and tries to actively alter direction based on outside conditions. The active intervention (or expectation of active intervention) is the huge fail of autopilot beta testing on public roads. It either needs to assume responsibility for its actions or not take actions.
 
Autopilot in a plane can maintain direction and altitude (rarely throttle)

Side note: Once you get into commercial aircraft, the throttles are very much integrated with autopilot and can be fully controlled by such.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled EV thread. ;)
 
Hahahaha. Tank turn. Tire manufacturers and sellers will love that. Lots of torque so you could easily use it on dry pavement (unless they torque limited it in software).

At 7200 lbs, it is probably an amazing on-road truck but heaven help you if you venture off road and get it stuck.

HVAC vent angle adjusted through the touch screen? Huge boo. Annoying, hard to do while driving and they took something that never failed and introduced a failure point (and expensive repair)

Their "Auto pilot" is called "Driver+". I like that branding much better as it fits the description of what it can do. Help you.

Crashing screens when everything is controlled by the screen should be classed as a major defect and are entirely unacceptable. I know it is pre-production but they thought it was close enough to let press samples out. I think all touch screen controls should be banned until they make them infallible/reduntant (and maybe even still then as by definition you have to be ignoring the road to use them).
 
Hahahaha. Tank turn. Tire manufacturers and sellers will love that. Lots of torque so you could easily use it on dry pavement (unless they torque limited it in software).

At 7200 lbs, it is probably an amazing on-road truck but heaven help you if you venture off road and get it stuck.

HVAC vent angle adjusted through the touch screen? Huge boo. Annoying, hard to do while driving and they took something that never failed and introduced a failure point (and expensive repair)

Their "Auto pilot" is called "Driver+". I like that branding much better as it fits the description of what it can do. Help you.

Crashing screens when everything is controlled by the screen should be classed as a major defect and are entirely unacceptable. I know it is pre-production but they thought it was close enough to let press samples out. I think all touch screen controls should be banned until they make them infallible/reduntant (and maybe even still then as by definition you have to be ignoring the road to use them).


0 to 60 in 3.3 seconds. That will raise a few eyebrows
 

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