this was pretty much my reaction as well.
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Before just drinking the Koolaid based on slanted videos designed to make Apple look bad...look at the bigger picture.
Smartphone Repairability Scores | Most Repairable Phones
Our engineers tear down the latest smartphones and score their repairability from 0 to 10. What are the most repairable phones? Let’s find out.
www.ifixit.com
When you look at the bigger picture, Apple is kinda actually doing pretty well. Unless of course you're just looking to (again) focus on Apple (because Apple) and not actually compare them to others.
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i don't see the relation between what's explained in the video and your link. Please feel fill in the blanks and let me know what obvious bias there was that i missed.Before just drinking the Koolaid based on slanted videos designed to make Apple look bad...look at the bigger picture.
Smartphone Repairability Scores | Most Repairable Phones
Our engineers tear down the latest smartphones and score their repairability from 0 to 10. What are the most repairable phones? Let’s find out.
When you look at the bigger picture, Apple is kinda actually doing pretty well. Unless of course you're just looking to (again) focus on Apple (because Apple) and not actually compare them to others.
The outright "repairability" is fine. The issue at hand is hardware interoperability and "unauthorized changes", I get it.
I suspect we will hear more about the story as things progress however, and I also suspect it'll have something to do with security, something that Apple is unapologetically strict about, which is likely why things like FaceID don't work anymore when a hardware change is detected that wasn't authorized. It's a double edged sword - make it too easy to swap out hardware on security critical parts of the phone and next thing you know some hacker somewhere is cracking iPhones by swapping out the FaceID module with a hacked one that just verifies everyone as a validated user. Make it too hard, and we have stories like this.
It could also just be a good old fashioned unintentional bug seeing as how this video was made literally days after the devices release.
I'm far from an Apple apologist (I refuse to upgrade my current iPhone until TouchID returns as well as a migration to USBC, lightening sucks) but I'm also not one who jumps on the bashing bandwagon until I hear both sides of a story, either. There's a lot of things that Apple has done that's ****** me off over the years which is also one reason I'm also rocking a well upgraded 2015 2.2 i7 Macbook Pro, known as "the last great Macbook Pro" and won't upgrade it either for a long time to come - I'll probably drive this thing into the ground like I did with my last Macbook which was a 2008, and still worked when I sold it. But I do hate their war on ports, and the Macbook Pro's after 2015 started drifting away from the "Pro" thing.
But I also value my privacy and security. A lot. I'm much more comfortable with having my personal data (and going through my day to day activities) on an Apple device than any Android device. And I say that as someone who has owned and use an Android as my daily driver in the past, and still owns a few Android tablets for other tasks...but knowing what I know, and having friends who work Infosec, an Android will never be my daily driver.
I suspect we will hear more about the story as things progress however, and I also suspect it'll have something to do with security, something that Apple is unapologetically strict about, which is likely why things like FaceID don't work anymore when a hardware change is detected that wasn't authorized. It's a double edged sword - make it too easy to swap out hardware on security critical parts of the phone and next thing you know some hacker somewhere is cracking iPhones by swapping out the FaceID module with a hacked one that just verifies everyone as a validated user. Make it too hard, and we have stories like this.
It could also just be a good old fashioned unintentional bug seeing as how this video was made literally days after the devices release.
I'm far from an Apple apologist (I refuse to upgrade my current iPhone until TouchID returns as well as a migration to USBC, lightening sucks) but I'm also not one who jumps on the bashing bandwagon until I hear both sides of a story, either. There's a lot of things that Apple has done that's ****** me off over the years which is also one reason I'm also rocking a well upgraded 2015 2.2 i7 Macbook Pro, known as "the last great Macbook Pro" and won't upgrade it either for a long time to come - I'll probably drive this thing into the ground like I did with my last Macbook which was a 2008, and still worked when I sold it. But I do hate their war on ports, and the Macbook Pro's after 2015 started drifting away from the "Pro" thing.
But I also value my privacy and security. A lot. I'm much more comfortable with having my personal data (and going through my day to day activities) on an Apple device than any Android device. And I say that as someone who has owned and use an Android as my daily driver in the past, and still owns a few Android tablets for other tasks...but knowing what I know, and having friends who work Infosec, an Android will never be my daily driver.
you'll note he's said previous versions of the iphone had this issue, it's now spread to the camera.
if you look at his other videos he does walk throughs of apple repair. i dont see the bias.
I'm not saying there's a bias in this particular case (although there certain IS a bias against Apple in general, even when the issues people rail against is often for their own good in one way or another, see the current Facebook freakout over Apples new privacy-centric OS release) but that there may very well be more to the story on why this is happening.
Right to repair is a thing, increasingly more so every day. IF there's no legit reason for this, Apple won't win this fight in the end. But maybe there is a reason - we all need to keep in mind that as our cellphones have become a window into our soul, our family, our finances, and everything in between, & that because of that reality, security matters.
If there's a legitimate security specific reason for these sorts of restrictions against simple hardware swaps, then honestly, I'm OK with paying Apple a little extra money (or going to a certified third party repair location, which do exist contrary to popular belief) to maintain that level of security.
Anyone with a cellphone, whatever name is on the front should feel the same way.
Security is only as good as it's weakest link, and if getting your (for example) broken fingerprint unlock reader swapped out at "Bubbas cellphone repair and vape emporium" at a flea market somewhere potentially puts that device at risk of being hacked and giving up all sorts of personal info, well, I'd rather pay the manufacturer $100 instead to get it fixed there instead. And I'd be just fine with the manufacturer putting up roadblocks that prevents that hack from ever being viable in the first place, especially if you lose your device and the thief is able to unlock it at their leisure (and gain access to your personal life) just by swapping out a simple piece of hardware with a compromised aftermarket piece instead that just agrees every fingerprint is your fingerprint and therefore unlocks the phone at will.
Right to repair is a thing, increasingly more so every day. IF there's no legit reason for this, Apple won't win this fight in the end. But maybe there is a reason - we all need to keep in mind that as our cellphones have become a window into our soul, our family, our finances, and everything in between, & that because of that reality, security matters.
If there's a legitimate security specific reason for these sorts of restrictions against simple hardware swaps, then honestly, I'm OK with paying Apple a little extra money (or going to a certified third party repair location, which do exist contrary to popular belief) to maintain that level of security.
Anyone with a cellphone, whatever name is on the front should feel the same way.
Security is only as good as it's weakest link, and if getting your (for example) broken fingerprint unlock reader swapped out at "Bubbas cellphone repair and vape emporium" at a flea market somewhere potentially puts that device at risk of being hacked and giving up all sorts of personal info, well, I'd rather pay the manufacturer $100 instead to get it fixed there instead. And I'd be just fine with the manufacturer putting up roadblocks that prevents that hack from ever being viable in the first place, especially if you lose your device and the thief is able to unlock it at their leisure (and gain access to your personal life) just by swapping out a simple piece of hardware with a compromised aftermarket piece instead that just agrees every fingerprint is your fingerprint and therefore unlocks the phone at will.
A lot of conjecture here, i understand your points but i don't agree with them.
My point was as Brian said; not for me. But i was already out long ago with their proprietary eco system.
So you'd be OK with a potential hardware loophole or backdoor being left out there hanging for anyone to use if you leave your phone in a public place one day and it's lost for good?
Again, I'm not saying this is what's happening here. I'm saying it's possible this is what's being defended against in Apple needing to verify hardware updates before the phone saying "Ok, everything is right in the world again, lets continue on".
Again, I'm not saying this is what's happening here. I'm saying it's possible this is what's being defended against in Apple needing to verify hardware updates before the phone saying "Ok, everything is right in the world again, lets continue on".
I understand your point but there is a happy point in the middle that apple refuses to entertain. Apple could (and in my opinion should) supply parts to those who want them. If I want to repair my own phone, parts should be available for a reasonable timeframe and cost. By not supplying parts, that pushes me into ridiculously expensive manufacturer repair (lets be honest, swap with refurb) or buying aftermarket parts that may have issues. I have no problem with the phone identifying and warning if aftermarket parts are used but I don't want its function to change, just a warning on bootup that something may be off. It's like a check engine light. It notifies you to pay attention, if you know why it is warning you and you are not concerned, you can choose to ignore it.
I don't have a problem with apple allowing the phone components to speak to each other for security, but i am saying it's another reason I wouldn't buy one.
Smartphone sales Q2 2020 numbers
Smartphone sales plunged 20% in spring 2020 due to the pandemic
Smartphone sales fell a whopping 20% during the second quarter of 2020 as the COVID-19 pandemic kept many people at home.
www.androidauthority.com
I didn't verify the numbers, they don't really matter to me. My point is that plenty of people are using non Apple phones and last i checked there was not an en mass hack of peoples lives happening there. If there was then sure i'd look at other options and under protest i would move to Apple if that's what it took to protect my life.
EDIT: Just so we're clear, i'm not here to blow smoke up anyone's ass about Android. I currently have a Note 10+which is my 6th Samsung i believe now. I had big software issues with the last two i owned (S9+ & S7) and i told myself i wasn't going back for awhile. I came from a OnePlus product (1+7) that i was really happy with and if work hadn't offered me 60% off this phone i would have kept it.
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Apple has never been about market share, they've been about quality, resale value, and profit.
Quality is unquestionable good. Resale value, same. And Apple smacks down all the other manufacturers out there when it comes to profits.
Why sell a billion handsets and make $5 on each when you can sell 100 million and make $250 on each? That's a whole lot of extra effort for not a whole lot of ROI.
Some will scream bloody murder about Apple devices being overpriced blah blah blah, but if THEY were the CEO in that same situation they'd do the same thing. And I'm happier supporting a North American company versus some Chinese or South Korean company, personally. Yeah yeah, I know the phones are made in China (so are a lot of Samsungs and many/most other brands, FWIW, before anyone jumps on that), but I do like the core values of the company compared to the alternatives, and that also matters to me.
And as much as I sound like a Fan Boy by saying so, I will unabashedly say that you do get what you pay for. I still have my original "Whitebook" Macbook from 2006 and it still works....at almost 15 years old. And it was my daily driver for about 6 years. Still have a variety of old iPhones as well that have been retired as their hardware got outdated, but also still work to this day. I've owned a lot of cellphones and laptops over the years and I can without a word of lie say that the Apple hardware has outlived them all from a longevity standpoint.
Like I said, I have Android hardware as well. It does a lot of stuff I simply can't do on an iPhone - such as the tablet I use in my Volt that provides me a huge auxiliary (geeky) dashboard with all sorts of extra gauges and such connected via a Bluetooth OBD2 dongle. It also lets me control the car remotely via text - it's cellular enabled and I have a cheap $9/month text only plan on it. Just can't do that sort of stuff on an iPhone.... But a daily driver device, nope. I value my security too much. I'm not saying an Android can't be made secure, I'm just not interested in playing cat and mouse as so often happens in the Android ecosystem which is inherently more vulnerable.
Here's an interesting study on smartphone security.
www.hindawi.com
The "there doesn't seem to be any mass hacks" issue is a bit if a misnomer. There's lots. The attackers just take advantage of things in small bites that they can get away with. Or don't actually "steal" anything in the way that most people would expect, but instead may do something as simple as turning their phone into bitcoin miners. Victimless crime, right? Not really. Your phone may die a lot as your processor works endlessly to do that mining, and they're stealing your mobile data to transmit the data involved. But most people who are infected likely have no clue aside from the fact they think their battery is crapping out and they seem to be going through their data bucket faster than usual.
www.pandasecurity.com
www.forbes.com
Quality is unquestionable good. Resale value, same. And Apple smacks down all the other manufacturers out there when it comes to profits.
Why sell a billion handsets and make $5 on each when you can sell 100 million and make $250 on each? That's a whole lot of extra effort for not a whole lot of ROI.
Some will scream bloody murder about Apple devices being overpriced blah blah blah, but if THEY were the CEO in that same situation they'd do the same thing. And I'm happier supporting a North American company versus some Chinese or South Korean company, personally. Yeah yeah, I know the phones are made in China (so are a lot of Samsungs and many/most other brands, FWIW, before anyone jumps on that), but I do like the core values of the company compared to the alternatives, and that also matters to me.
And as much as I sound like a Fan Boy by saying so, I will unabashedly say that you do get what you pay for. I still have my original "Whitebook" Macbook from 2006 and it still works....at almost 15 years old. And it was my daily driver for about 6 years. Still have a variety of old iPhones as well that have been retired as their hardware got outdated, but also still work to this day. I've owned a lot of cellphones and laptops over the years and I can without a word of lie say that the Apple hardware has outlived them all from a longevity standpoint.
Like I said, I have Android hardware as well. It does a lot of stuff I simply can't do on an iPhone - such as the tablet I use in my Volt that provides me a huge auxiliary (geeky) dashboard with all sorts of extra gauges and such connected via a Bluetooth OBD2 dongle. It also lets me control the car remotely via text - it's cellular enabled and I have a cheap $9/month text only plan on it. Just can't do that sort of stuff on an iPhone.... But a daily driver device, nope. I value my security too much. I'm not saying an Android can't be made secure, I'm just not interested in playing cat and mouse as so often happens in the Android ecosystem which is inherently more vulnerable.
Here's an interesting study on smartphone security.
Security Awareness Level of Smartphone Users: An Exploratory Case Study
As smartphone technology becomes more and more mature, its usage extends beyond and covers also applications that require security. However, since smartphones can contain valuable information, they normally become the target of attackers. A physically lost or a hacked smartphone may cause...
The "there doesn't seem to be any mass hacks" issue is a bit if a misnomer. There's lots. The attackers just take advantage of things in small bites that they can get away with. Or don't actually "steal" anything in the way that most people would expect, but instead may do something as simple as turning their phone into bitcoin miners. Victimless crime, right? Not really. Your phone may die a lot as your processor works endlessly to do that mining, and they're stealing your mobile data to transmit the data involved. But most people who are infected likely have no clue aside from the fact they think their battery is crapping out and they seem to be going through their data bucket faster than usual.
Android devices 50 times more infected compared to iOS - Panda Security
Android-powered connected devices are fifty times more likely to be infected with malware when compared to iOS.
www.pandasecurity.com
25 Million Android Phones Infected With Malware That ‘Hides In WhatsApp’
Hackers have managed to infect millions of Android phones via an Alibaba-owned app store, researchers claim.
www.forbes.com
im not wading into a numbers debate, it was simply a visual reference to say "hey a lot of people don't have iphones and they aren't getting hacked in any large amounts ive heard of."Apple has never been about market share, they've been about quality, resale value, and profit.
Quality is unquestionable good. Resale value, same. And Apple smacks down all the other manufacturers out there when it comes to profits.
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Why sell a billion handsets and make $5 on each when you can sell 100 million and make $250 on each? That's a whole lot of extra effort for not a whole lot of ROI.
Some will scream bloody murder about Apple devices being overpriced blah blah blah, but if THEY were the CEO in that same situation they'd do the same thing. And I'm happier supporting a North American company versus some Chinese or South Korean company, personally. Yeah yeah, I know the phones are made in China (so are a lot of Samsungs and many/most other brands, FWIW, before anyone jumps on that), but I do like the core values of the company compared to the alternatives, and that also matters to me.
And as much as I sound like a Fan Boy by saying so, I will unabashedly say that you do get what you pay for. I still have my original "Whitebook" Macbook from 2006 and it still works....at almost 15 years old. And it was my daily driver for about 6 years. Still have a variety of old iPhones as well that have been retired as their hardware got outdated, but also still work to this day. I've owned a lot of cellphones and laptops over the years and I can without a word of lie say that the Apple hardware has outlived them all from a longevity standpoint.
Like I said, I have Android hardware as well. It does a lot of stuff I simply can't do on an iPhone - such as the tablet I use in my Volt that provides me a huge auxiliary (geeky) dashboard with all sorts of extra gauges and such connected via a Bluetooth OBD2 dongle. It also lets me control the car remotely via text - it's cellular enabled and I have a cheap $9/month text only plan on it. Just can't do that sort of stuff on an iPhone.... But a daily driver device, nope. I value my security too much. I'm not saying an Android can't be made secure, I'm just not interested in playing cat and mouse as so often happens in the Android ecosystem which is inherently more vulnerable.
Here's an interesting study on smartphone security.
Security Awareness Level of Smartphone Users: An Exploratory Case Study
As smartphone technology becomes more and more mature, its usage extends beyond and covers also applications that require security. However, since smartphones can contain valuable information, they normally become the target of attackers. A physically lost or a hacked smartphone may cause...
apple resale; great
apple quality: stellar
apple bang for buck; meh. i like it for the more basic phones but the flagships..not so much.
I think i read somewhere apple made $700 profit/phone on the last gen? Dunno if it's true. Seeing as how we now have devices over 2 grand i think we're all being taken to the cleaners now regardless of brand.
I sleep well at night with my Samsung and i can honestly say since i owned my first phone in..1999 or so, security has not been a factor of a purchase decision for me, ever.
EDIT: Anywho, thread has been hi jacked enough.
@SunnY S Tesla sucks.
carry on.
I just got a new work phone - an iPhone 11, which is still in the box and I was going to set it up sometime next week.
What are these Apple security issues you guys are taking about?
What are these Apple security issues you guys are taking about?
the video i posted on the last page discusses Apple phone hardware components perhaps interfacing with each other; the long and short of it is the video shows that swapping hardware around (for a repair situation) may cause the phone to not work as it should. PP is suggesting it may be for a security reason.
I don't have any faults with Apple Security, last i heard the U.S. Government had to chase them for court cases because it IS that good.
Thread official re-railed.
It's ok PP. I was reminded how vapid apple fan boys really were with your long winded verbal diarrhea nonsense posts
Looks like you caught yourself..... ?
My sister was set on getting the Model Y but not being a car-person (while I am), I reminded her that Tesla has no dealership network to service their vehicles and that Tesla "independent" shops do that instead - that right there turned her away from it and then when the Mach-E pics surfaced, she was sold.
What's the over/under on a class action lawsuit from people with crashed Teslas and/or injuries incurred while using the Full Self-Driving feature?
That's another government failure. How the hell is beta testing self-guided missiles with entitled dbag overseers on public roads legal? At least FAA pretended to evaluate systems before they allowed them to go into service.
Small manufacturers are basically prevented from selling vehicles as compliance with FMVSS is too onerous and expensive but it appears that if you want to sell automated driving, you can do whatever you want with zero oversight.
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