Another question for the trades guys here

My race boat carries a crew of 7 on short courses. Four are engineers, one is very useful when something breaks, the other three can wax poetic for an hour about what caused the failure ( with no fix in the equation). I also have an HVAC guy , an electronics service guy and a salesman. The trade guys are very useful, the salesman tells amusing stories and opens beers. He also writes all the cheques so he is useful, just in a different way.
 
I didn't know that! I like that idea though.

There's a German guy on this forum who I talked to at Belfountain(can't remember name off hand, rides Guzzi Cafe Racer) who described the industrial culture Germany v North America to me. It was hilarious.
 
My race boat carries a crew of 7 on short courses. Four are engineers, one is very useful when something breaks, the other three can wax poetic for an hour about what caused the failure ( with no fix in the equation). I also have an HVAC guy , an electronics service guy and a salesman. The trade guys are very useful, the salesman tells amusing stories and opens beers. He also writes all the cheques so he is useful, just in a different way.

A cruise ship run aground on a deserted island is a fairly accurate microcosm of all people stranded on earth, imho. In the cruise ship scenario events are going to unfold as they do on earth every day. Right off the hop some people will recognize what needs doing and do it. They will make sure the food, water and shelter situation is sorted while others stand around and whine. Others will be stunned into inaction needing direction from self appointed "leaders". Others will figure out how to harness the doers talents and efforts and manipulate them to profit from the well to do upper crust passengers. Of course you'll have usual raft of theorists, blowhards and dreamers. They'll stand on the sidelines, cross the T's and dot the I's and scour the Grand Jury report in case an important debate presents itself.
 
A cruise ship run aground on a deserted island is a fairly accurate microcosm of all people stranded on earth, imho. In the cruise ship scenario events are going to unfold as they do on earth every day. Right off the hop some people will recognize what needs doing and do it. They will make sure the food, water and shelter situation is sorted while others stand around and whine. Others will be stunned into inaction needing direction from self appointed "leaders". Others will figure out how to harness the doers talents and efforts and manipulate them to profit from the well to do upper crust passengers. Of course you'll have usual raft of theorists, blowhards and dreamers. They'll stand on the sidelines, cross the T's and dot the I's and scour the Grand Jury report in case an important debate presents itself.


I like the cut of your jib, inreb!
 
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Nothing wrong with learning a trade. Through my education (engineering) I have learned that there are two types of engineers. There are those who can solve advanced calculus differential equations in their head but don't know which way to turn a wrench, then there's the practical engineers like me. When people complain about how engineers design ridiculously complicated things that are impossible to build, that's the result of a design engineer who never played with Lego or took apart a lawn mower when they were little. Their design might work incredibly well, but they're clueless when it comes to general fabrication principles.

Right on. And in my experience ... the pencil-pushers end up in management and administrative positions where, among other things, they write standards that the rest of us practical types are supposed to follow, but which are impossible to fully achieve in practice because not enough of them have ever tried to build and use the thing that they are writing about. Then they end up crapping over us because we either can't do it to perfection, or costs too much to get it done. But I digress. You'll have to excuse me while I go hammer some nails ...
 
^^ this came up in another recent thread pertaining to impossible to adhere to safety procedures.

In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice they are not. Albert Einstein
 
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Inreb, for once I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying that working in the trades is good, or bad? As you are a tradesman and seem to be happy with what you are doing.
I was too lazy to go to school, and even lazier to pick up a shovel, so I ended up in a warehouse. When Mongrel mentioned the wages, I was a bit confused. As a Master electrician, or hvac foreman, $40+/hr is common, at least among my family/ friends. And I know guys in the scaffolding trade making $100k with overtime. I know working all the time isn't what we strive for, but some hard work, sacrifices and good decisions early in life, will pay off later. If we can get out of the consumerist right now mentality. I have friends that work a steady day job, have a side biz, and still take the wife out to dinner and do stuff with the kids. The side biz pays for the vacations that they enjoy together.
My favourite saying: You can have anything you want; you just can't have everything you want.
Sorry, kinda lost track of my point. I'd better go have lunch.
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Joe Bass, I'm saying a trade is good for some people because it's an upgrade in money and status never mind the value it provides to the community. Lots of people are going to think it's beneath them, so obviously, it's not a good fit. If you're asking if I'm happy what I'm doing I would have to say yes*

*you have to put up with a lot of bs and unrealistic expectations, that's a downer
 
Joe Bass, I'm saying a trade is good for some people because it's an upgrade in money and status never mind the value it provides to the community. Lots of people are going to think it's beneath them, so obviously, it's not a good fit. If you're asking if I'm happy what I'm doing I would have to say yes*

*you have to put up with a lot of bs and unrealistic expectations, that's a downer

We all have the bs, just to different degrees.
The status comment reminds me of an episode of Frasier: Niles had a plumber come over. Found out that he was a guy that used to bully him in school. Niles wanted to show off because he was of the upper class and the bully ended up being "just a plumber". Then when Niles was bragging about his E-Class Benz, the plumber says he found it small for his family so he moved up to the S-Class.
No one should look down to the trades.
 
If you have passion in what you do, the cream rises to the top.

That's why I want to change what I do for a living. I don't mind my job at all, but there is zero passion. Finding motivation is a daily, hourly struggle.
 
Confucius say:

"Choose a job you love, and you will never have to work a day in your life."
 
The trades are a lot of who you know. If you don't know someone in the union good luck getting in. If you want to be a welder...well that's not a trade in ontario. So union rate is $40ish if you get into aecon or general dynamics. Non union anywhere from $15 up to union wage depends on the company. However it is a trade in the rest of the country so if you want to make $3200 take home a week, you have to fly back and forth to Fort Mcmoney. 21 days on 14 days off is the norm. Or you can contract work for snc lavalin and work in places like afganistan, iraq etc. And make about $1800 a week take home. Which is also why I don't do side work when I'm home. 21 days 10 hours a day. I don't want to waste time doing side jobs when I can be flying around a race track instead.
 
A job is the means to have accessibility to the things you enjoy, most people are frustrated in life because they have a notion that you must get up every morning looking forward to going to work and that is a big pile of crap. No matter how awesome my job can be, I much rather race or even play golf or sit my *** at home watching tv while sipping on hot coco.

Unless you are saving lives or delivering babies, in the grand skim of things a job is just that and none of us really do stuff that is that important.

Do it well, get paid and spend the time outside work doing the awesome things you like doing.
 
It's easy to forget most jobs need doing. Unless it's the cosmetics counter at Eatons or something. We take this easy life of plenty too much for granted. Most jobs contribute to society. If you remember that it makes it easier to punch in.
 
A job is the means to have accessibility to the things you enjoy, most people are frustrated in life because they have a notion that you must get up every morning looking forward to going to work and that is a big pile of crap. No matter how awesome my job can be, I much rather race or even play golf or sit my *** at home watching tv while sipping on hot coco.

Unless you are saving lives or delivering babies, in the grand skim of things a job is just that and none of us really do stuff that is that important.

Do it well, get paid and spend the time outside work doing the awesome things you like doing.
I don't agree with this man often, but truer words have never been spoken. It's called work for a reason & when you do it long enough it becomes repetitious & loses it's zeal. Even if you change your hobby into a job, you'll hate it. When there is a timeline with pressure it's no longer enjoying.

Just my 2c
 
A job is the means to have accessibility to the things you enjoy...

Do it well, get paid and spend the time outside work doing the awesome things you like doing.

That's exactly what I tell my wife...ALL YOU DO IS TRADE SOME CRAPPY WORK TIME SO YOU CAN HAVE THE AMAZING TIME YOU WANT WHEN NOT A WORK!!! LIFE IS BASICALY ALL ABOUT TRADING TIME FOR MONEY...
 
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A job is the means to have accessibility to the things you enjoy, most people are frustrated in life because they have a notion that you must get up every morning looking forward to going to work and that is a big pile of crap. No matter how awesome my job can be, I much rather race or even play golf or sit my *** at home watching tv while sipping on hot coco.

Unless you are saving lives or delivering babies, in the grand skim of things a job is just that and none of us really do stuff that is that important.

Do it well, get paid and spend the time outside work doing the awesome things you like doing.

This is how I live my life.
I work. Hard. Alot. And often I don't like what I am doing. My work has nothing to do with those lifelong interests each of us have. I never would have become a labour trade if I were to choose solely based on what I want to do. It did however, allow me to step right into a $60,000/ yr job at 19 yrs old, right out of high school, what feels like a lifetime ago.
However, I take pride in doing it very well, and more often than not, people will wait sometimes months to have me do the job instead of some other butcher.
I tell myself that I have it pretty good, having my calendar pre-booked 30-60 days in advance for the past 15 yrs...never a famine or lull in the steadiness of work in the past 25 yrs. But, I do not get to do something I love for a living. I tell myself it is work, and work isn't supposed to be fun, it's supposed to be WORK. I will however probably retire to disability, as my body takes an absolute smashing daily, and I can work 10 days a week anytime . My back aches, hands and wrists are torn up with so many yrs of carpal tunnel and more, that never ever get a rest. Hurting, sore or not, I am back on the job the next day. My lower back,hands and forearms take the brunt of it-worst part is, what tiny bit of personal time I have to chase my passions, requires vigorous use of those very same body parts- lower back, hands and forearms. They never get a break.
I do like when I have clients who have $, time, and an appreciation for art and value. I get to showoff, and get paid to do it. And unlike a plumber or electrician, people see the work and marvel at it and it is appreciated. That is how I excuse the fact that I get paid less than plumbers and electiricians- clients don't ever think about those guys until **** goes sideways, then they curse them. Who ever said "Honey, we haven't had a leak in this house in 20 yrs.....make sure you send that plumber an Xmas card"? lol

I hope my kids never end up doing anything like I do.
 
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