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You'd have to provide more context for this to be a discussion.

What specifically drove her nuts? Discrimination? Nepotism? Favoritism?

All three at one time or another but with a common denominator.

Some companies had a kind of ingrained (negative) culture. Others had good managers that stamped on any issues. As with many of these problems it depends on the management team.

These are separate discussions to the EDI/quota thing. I see EDI in hiring practices as just another form of discrimination. Where it is perhaps useful is in helping correct the company culture but it should also be done so it doesn’t resemble a Pol Pot mind reprogramming session.

 

[Mad Mike]

All three at one time or another but with a common denominator.

Some companies had a kind of ingrained (negative) culture. Others had good managers that stamped on any issues. As with many of these problems it depends on the management team.

These are separate discussions to the EDI/quota thing. I see EDI in hiring practices as just another form of discrimination. Where it is perhaps useful is in helping correct the company culture but it should also be done so it doesn’t resemble a Pol Pot mind reprogramming session.

I'm all for DEI as a component of corporate culture because I've seen it work. The bank I worked for was at the forefront of this, they embraced diversity before it was a thing, believing a diverse workforce made recruiting and connecting with customers easier and better. They also noticed a lot of capable people were left on the sidelines -- they gobbled them up like Skittles which improved the performance of the bank. Unfortunately, many of those operational advantages got lost as regulation and ideology crept in. That bank is suffering today, quite likely because they allowed ideology to overtake merit as a leadership and HR priority.

For those who follow football, the NFL is a great example where an organization embraced DEI for the right reasons - and is winning. They got started in the 50s after recognizing embracing black athletes was good for the teams - inclusion and diversity converted to wins, and that was good business. It took another 40 years to get it's first black Referee (1995), and another 20 years before coach and quarterback positions became colorblind.

20 years ago the NFL saw the opportunity to add a zillion fans so they started a push to get women into broadcasting, and into leadership roles throughout the league. I think that worked out well too.

What doesn't work is when political and media zealots create an industry that doesn't achieve anything but feed and enrich itself off regulation. From the Me-Too founders pocketing millions for Lambos and mansions, to the countless taxpayer or consumer-funded DEI executives and programs at every level of gov't, education, and business -- the party is over.

 

[nobbie48]

How do you feel about race or gender trumping merit?

I don't doubt there are old boys' clubs. You're kidding yourself if you think today's old boy's clubs are "old boys" or "white".

A white friend had his business screwed over because a visible minority bought out the complex and subtly made it known he was unwelcome.

Racism works both ways.

 

[ToSlow]

How do you feel about race or gender trumping merit?

I don't doubt there are old boys' clubs. You're kidding yourself if you think today's old boy's clubs are "old boys" or "white".

But it sure makes a great story and push the narrative of the folks that are talking about it the most

 

[MacDoc]

Race is a construct not in the least biological based.
There is only one homosapien race not extinct.

Bigotry applies to every human endeavour from six year olds keeping girls out their club house to the caste system in India.
Tribalism that most societies have tried to reduce.

The dumpf is chief bigot...trying to keep a whiteskinned minority in the US from being correctly submerged by changed demographics.
The US uses the term racism...it's an expression of bigotry that has lurked in the US for centuries.

 

[ToSlow]

Race is a construct not in the least biological based.
There is only one homosapien race not extinct.

Bigotry applies to every human endeavour from six year olds keeping girls out their club house to the caste system in India.
Tribalism that most societies have tried to reduce.

The dumpf is chief bigot...trying to keep a whiteskinned minority in the US from being correctly submerged by changed demographics.
The US uses the term racism...it's just an expression of bigotry.

All started in when the dumpf took office

I find it hilarious that people think trump started all the worlds problems. Not like they didn’t exist before

 

[Mad Mike]

Race is a construct not in the least biological based.
There is only one homosapien race not extinct.

Race is a social construct, it classifies people based on their physical appearance. There is no scientific definition of race, so no singular homosapien race. I think the word you were angling for is species.

Bigotry applies to every human endeavour from six year olds keeping girls out their club house to the caste system in India.
Tribalism that most societies have tried to reduce.

Neither of those is bigotry. The six-year-old girls are practicing social exclusion, and the cast system is practicing caste-privilidge (can also be states in the reciprocal sense as caste discrimination)

The dumpf is chief bigot...trying to keep a whiteskinned minority in the US from being correctly submerged by changed demographics.
The US uses the term racism...it's an expression of bigotry that has lurked in the US for centuries.

Im not going to defend Trump, but it's pretty harsh to brand someone a bigot. A bigot spreads prejudiced beliefs that one race or ethnicity is superior to others -- I'm not sure he fits that definition. His use of extreme examples and scapegoats in his rhetoric often comes across as prejudicial, but his policies are not themselves bigoted. I'll apologize in advance if I missed any bigot policies.

If you didn't already know, extreme examples are hallmarks of the right, misused words, particularly racist, masochist, bigot are hallmarks of the left.

 

[jc100]

Continually denigrating the Palestinians in favour of Israelis might fit the definition of bigoted.

Continually favouring ******** rather than sensible adults is definitely bigoted.

Race is a social construct, it classifies people based on their physical appearance. There is no scientific definition of race, so no singular homosapien race. I think the word you were angling for is species.

Neither of those is bigotry. The six-year-old girls are practicing social exclusion, and the cast system is practicing caste-privilidge (can also be states in the reciprocal sense as caste discrimination)

Im not going to defend Trump, but it's pretty harsh to brand someone a bigot. A bigot spreads prejudiced beliefs that one race or ethnicity is superior to others -- I'm not sure he fits that definition. His use of extreme examples and scapegoats in his rhetoric often comes across as prejudicial, but his policies are not themselves bigoted. I'll apologize in advance if I missed any bigot policies.

If you didn't already know, extreme examples are hallmarks of the right, misused words, particularly racist, masochist, bigot are hallmarks of the left.

 

[timtune]

And then one day she sold a big order that he thought should have been his, and he went off the cliff, tried to get her fired, screamed at her in the private area of the place (a retail sales company). She came back to the house hurt, shocked and bewildered.

That could be anyone in any work place. Don't see how DEI plays a big part.

 

[Mad Mike]

Continually denigrating the Palestinians in favour of Israelis might fit the definition of bigoted.

Maybe, but I think you did that misused words thing again -- The US continually denigrates Hamas...

Continually favouring ******** rather than sensible adults is definitely bigoted.

Not sure what's in the bleep.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Not sure what's in the bleep.

I"m guessing you don't Wordle.

 

[Shaman]

That could be anyone in any work place. Don't see how DEI plays a big part.

100% it does. It dramatically lowers criticism and discipline for people it recognizes as "minorities." Management tiptoes around them.

This often changes if the HR team is diverse. FYI. Though it may worsen, too.

 

[GreyGhost]

Maybe, but I think you did that misused words thing again -- The US continually denigrates Hamas....

Trump has said he wants all Palestinians removed and does not want them to return ever. That doesn't sound like his scope is limited to hamas. Now, it may not be related to ancestry. He may just be looking at profit and doesn't care who gets hurt along the way.

 

[Evoex]

Race is a construct not in the least biological based.
There is only one homosapien race not extinct.

Don't you mean species?

 

[ReSTored]

I'll keep it real simple with 2 basic questions that I'll ask you to respond to with a YES or NO, and nothing else.

1. Historically, Black people have faced racism in the workplace and job market. YES or NO

2. Black people face racism in the workplace and job market in 2025. YES or NO

 

[Mad Mike]

I'll keep it real simple with 2 basic questions that I'll ask you to respond to with a YES or NO, and nothing else.

1. Historically, Black people have faced racism in the workplace and job market. YES or NO

Yes

2. Black people face racism in the workplace and job market in 2025. YES or NO

That is a loaded question looking for a polarized answer. Try again -- it cannot be answered yes or no.

 

[Shaman]

One thing is for sure. As long as DEI exists in the workplace, there is racism in the workplace. And not just against the obvious targets.

If you want an end to racism, literally stop dividing people by race. That is the only way.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I'll keep it real simple with 2 basic questions that I'll ask you to respond to with a YES or NO, and nothing else.

No.

2. Black people face racism in the workplace and job market in 2025. YES or NO

I can only comment on mine and the minorities get treated gentler than the old stocks, so NO.

 

[ReSTored]

That is a loaded question looking for a polarized answer. Try again -- it cannot be answered yes or no.

I disagree with your statement. It's a simple question for most people. I'm not asking for any qualification or commitment to a solution or action of any type. Answering yes does not bind you to finding a solution.

So again, Black people face racism in the workplace and job market in 2025. YES or NO

 

[timtune]

I disagree with your statement. It's a simple question for most people. I'm not asking for any qualification or commitment to a solution or action of any type. Answering yes does not bind you to finding a solution.

So again, Black people face racism in the workplace and job market in 2025. YES or NO

If they didn't wouldn't I see more of them in positions of power?

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