Another Corp cuts out the silliness

[Mad Mike]

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If you deny history, there isn't an issue.

Who is denying history?

DEI only works IF you admit there is a problem. IF america is not racist, DEI is a crock.

Can you give us a few examples where it’s worked out? Positive, measurable results?

DEI is alive and well (so far) in Canada.
DEI says things that happened 60 years ago ARE in fact relevant today. It is sorta the entire POINT of DEI.

We learn from things that happened 60 years ago and legislate change to ensure we all have the same rights.

Not sure this is even close to the point if DEI.

 

[Mad Mike]

Is this some type of slight directed at women because they cannot be "balls deep" at anything?

Have you been paying attention? This discussion is because a lot of women these days can be balls deep.

Perhaps implying they aren't committed to the work, or maybe not as capable because they lack the requisite anatomy?

I think we'll have to schedule you for "re-education". Please report to HR Monday AM.

I worked with several transitioned people at the bank. Almost all had significant mental health challenges, but not all of them.

In my role, I developed and delivered DEI training to thousands of bankers. As such I worked directly with the DEI VP - a sharp fellow who started life as a female - kinda reminded me of Chaz Bono. The first time we met, both of us arrived on motorcycles, neither knew the other was a rider.

 

[Shaman]

Not sure this is even close to the point if DEI.

Divide, Entitle, Indoctrinate?

(yeah it's another take on it)

 

[nobbie48]

The whole DEI thing is a screw up from the past being addressed largely by screwed up people resulting in a greater screw up going forward.

How do you unscramble the past? Instead we throw money at the problem. That rarely works and too often makes the oppressed into expensive pets. Feed and house them, take them to the vet.

What is the success rate of the various programs? A lot of them are top heavy when it comes to spending the money.

What about the silent oppressed? If you saw them walking down the street they would seem normal. They've learned to cope with their issues because they aren't important enough to warrant their own special interest group. They don't like the idea of wearing a sign around their neck advising of their problems. They are white males. I know four that commited suicide. They could only suck it up for so long.

Covid vaccines are passe. Now we need an anti "ME" vaccine. FIrst shots go to the politicians and their cronies.

 

[jc100]

I don’t see anything wrong with making hiring or promotion boards diverse. That way the candidate is awarded on merit and issues with prejudice should be minimized.

 

[DownUnder]

I don’t see anything wrong with making hiring or promotion boards diverse. That way the candidate is awarded on merit and issues with prejudice should be minimized.

You want to hire people based on skin color/sexual preference so that people can be hired without prejudice? I'm gonna go have sex with a prostitute so I can keep my virginity...

 

[raginduck]

I want to hire the right person for the job... I don't give a crap about anyone else's opinions or thoughts on how I run my business and/or who I hire. You want to apply some form of DEI or whatever other ideas you may have.. go start your company and hire whoever you want.

 

[Mad Mike]

I don’t see anything wrong with making hiring or promotion boards diverse. That way the candidate is awarded on merit and issues with prejudice should be minimized.

Not sure I get that. … create a “made diverse” hiring/promotion board that is expected to follow a different standard than the one used in their own hiring?

I want to pick the best fit for my team, not some selection from a made diverse selection board.

 

[Dirty Frank]

Overcompensating to placate some silver spoon man child's Bizarro World ideology doesn't fix anything. It only rearranges the pieces on the board.

As far from bizarro world as it gets, likely a well thought out strategy to cause division and distraction from the real issues that if there was any solidarity amongst the sheep would be very costly to the ruling class.

 

[jc100]

If a board picks for hiring positions (not all do) then if it is made up of as diverse a population as possible then there should never be any suggestion of impropriety with the hire.

If it’s not a board decision then it doesn’t matter.

Unfortunately there’s still a few old white boys clubs out there regardless of how far things have come.

For the record, I’m not in favour of any discrimination in hiring and that also means any form of bias towards any gender or race.

Not sure I get that. … create a “made diverse” hiring/promotion board that is expected to follow a different standard than the one used in their own hiring?

I want to pick the best fit for my team, not some selection from a made diverse selection board.

 

[timtune]

Just for grins , how many here report to a white male boss?
With only one exception during my entire working career (starting with a part time job during highschool) I reported to a white male.
(As best as I can recall I've worked about 11 or 12 different jobs)

 

[MacDoc]

Bigotry writ large...attempting to reverse centuries of suppression of minorities

 

[MacDoc]

This is the list of 27 banned words distributed to NSA staff:

 

[ToSlow]

You might want to dig in a little deeper to find all the details, just saying

 

[Mad Mike]

If a board picks for hiring positions (not all do) then if it is made up of as diverse a population as possible then there should never be any suggestion of impropriety with the hire.

If it’s not a board decision then it doesn’t matter.

Unfortunately there’s still a few old white boys clubs out there regardless of how far things have come.

For the record, I’m not in favour of any discrimination in hiring and that also means any form of bias towards any gender or race.

How do you feel about race or gender trumping merit?

I don't doubt there are old boys' clubs. You're kidding yourself if you think today's old boy's clubs are "old boys" or "white".

 

[FullMotoJacket]

You might want to dig in a little deeper to find all the details, just saying

"I remember when members use to post links to their sources" - ToSlow

 

[Mad Mike]

Just for grins , how many here report to a white male boss?
With only one exception during my entire working career (starting with a part time job during highschool) I reported to a white male.
(As best as I can recall I've worked about 11 or 12 different jobs)

For most of my working life, I've been the 'white male boss'.

Boss 1: Korean Woman (auto, Markham)
Boss 2: White Man (tech, Los Angeles)
Boss 3: White Man (tech, Markham)
Boss 4: White Woman (tech, Santa Barbara)
Boss 5: White Woman (tech, Los Angeles)
Boss 6: White Man (tech, Markham)
Boss 7: Indian Man (banking, Markham)
Boss 8: Pakistani Woman (banking, Markham)
Boss 9: African woan (banking, Markham)
Boss 10: White Man (industrial, Markham)

I this can also be highly influenced by where you live and where you work.

 

[jc100]

Pretty sure I made that clear.

How do you feel about race or gender trumping merit?

I don't doubt there are old boys' clubs. You're kidding yourself if you think today's old boy's clubs are "old boys" or "white".

In a sample size of 6, 2-3 of those had the boys club mentality for my wife that drove her nuts. Those aren’t good odds when applied across all jobs. You or I might not see an issue but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

 

[Mad Mike]

Pretty sure I made that clear.


In a sample size of 6, 2-3 of those had the boys club mentality for my wife that drove her nuts. Those aren’t good odds when applied across all jobs. You or I might not see an issue but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

You'd have to provide more context for this to be a discussion.

What specifically drove her nuts? Discrimination? Nepotism? Favoritism?

 

[Shaman]

Let's not forget the way that DEI / ESG have made inter-personal relations in business horrifically toxic. Part of the whole philosophy is that a minority (anyone not a white male, or white-adjacent like asians) is supposed to be given a lot of leeway for their differences. Well, that's where the indoctrination and the entitlement come in. It turns business politics into a "victim olympics."

I warned my wife about this, working with a particularly "my sexuality is my identity" person and she said "oh no, we're friends and we get along great." And then one day she sold a big order that he thought should have been his, and he went off the cliff, tried to get her fired, screamed at her in the private area of the place (a retail sales company). She came back to the house hurt, shocked and bewildered. I felt like a jerk reminding her of what I said, but ... it's a big issue with DEI policies. In the end, of COURSE she had to apologise to him, formally.

I know only a few of you know me, but I've been my own employer for 36 years now and have had a staff as large as 52 (would love to see those days back again, thanks Liberals).

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