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MarcosSantiago said:
There is no beating Toyota resale value.

Buy a brand new Corolla for $20,000, sell it for $15,000 three years later.
Buy a brand new Elantra for $20,000, sell it for $12,000 three years later.

Which one was cheaper to own (over three years)?

Before you say "I don't like the beige Corolla car", let me ask you: do you like your money? Then buy the Corolla


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Have u ever thought about working for the Toyota dealership?
U almost had me sold :)
 
MarcosSantiago said:
There is no beating Toyota resale value.

Buy a brand new Corolla for $20,000, sell it for $15,000 three years later.
Buy a brand new Elantra for $20,000, sell it for $12,000 three years later.

Which one was cheaper to own (over three years)?

Before you say "I don't like the beige Corolla car", let me ask you: do you like your money? Then buy the Corolla


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yeah, the anti-car

http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/comparison-test-compact-cars/2/

placed 9th in its category... and id agree
 
MarcosSantiago said:
There is no beating Toyota resale value.

Buy a brand new Corolla for $20,000, sell it for $15,000 three years later.
Buy a brand new Elantra for $20,000, sell it for $12,000 three years later.

Which one was cheaper to own (over three years)?

Before you say "I don't like the beige Corolla car", let me ask you: do you like your money? Then buy the Corolla


:p
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I guess you have to consider the financial benefit somewhat of a reward for having to put up with driving the Corolla for 3 years.


Just kidding.
 
LePhillou said:
yeah, the anti-car

http://www.autos.ca/car-test-drives/comparison-test-compact-cars/2/

placed 9th in its category... and id agree
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Hey! I said clearly "There is no beating Toyota resale value."

I didn't say anything about the car itself !

:p

Honestly, all you guys must be young (or richer than me and my broke @*s*s) 'cause you are recommending "exciting" cars. Exciting cars can be very expensive, way more expensive than boring cars.

And I know about the emotional component and how the car makes us feel.... just like with motorcycles, same thing ...



Still, there is no beating Toyota resale value.
 
^^^^ agreed.

With all good things in life, "you gotta Pay to Play".
 
MarcosSantiago said:
Hey! I said clearly "There is no beating Toyota resale value."

I didn't say anything about the car itself !

:p

Honestly, all you guys must be young (or richer than me and my broke @*s*s) 'cause you are recommending "exciting" cars. Exciting cars can be very expensive, way more expensive than boring cars.

And I know about the emotional component and how the car makes us feel.... just like with motorcycles, same thing ...



Still, there is no beating Toyota resale value.
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Well, we're going with the car category that he suggested which is brand new 'compact cars'

Price range is about $16-26k i'd say.

I personally was going to buy new and then decided i had better things to do with my money so i went for a used car (still a fun car). We're just going with the criteria/category from OP

Toyota is definitely an A to B vehicule with no pleasure intended. Maybe another reason why theres such a high resale value on them, you cant even beat the **** out of the car cause its just not possible, so added 'peace of mind' is there. :P
 
MarcosSantiago said:
Honestly, all you guys must be young (or richer than me and my broke @*s*s) 'cause you are recommending "exciting" cars.
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None of the cars mentioned in this thread are even remotely exciting.

This is a "what POS is the least POS like" that I can buy new.....

The US is hemorrhaging high end cars with maybe 40K KMS on them, unsalted for under $30K but you want to pay full price/tax for a shitbox....

Unreal.
 
MarcosSantiago said:
Honestly, all you guys must be young (or richer than me and my broke @*s*s) 'cause you are recommending "exciting" cars. Exciting cars can be very expensive, way more expensive than boring cars.
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Well "exciting" means different things to different people. And in this day and age, you can find a lot of really good deals on the used market. You can probably find a used 2002 wrx for under $7000, and that will get you a car with a huge array of capabilities (provided the damn thing hasn't been abused to death).

Buying a corolla for new for over $20k, vs buying a pretty awesome car used for under $10k. There's pros and cons to both choices, but choices do exist. It's just a matter of priorities, really.

On the topic of resale value; having a car that can hold it's resale value well can be a plus when you're the seller, but it can work against you if you're a buyer. My opinion on the matter (and it's my personal opinion, mind you) is that if you're buying a car just so that you can resell it later....then maybe you should look into other options, like leasing a cheap car, or one of the car-sharing programs. Buying a new car, even one of the so-called "economy cars" is expensive as hell.
 
Flashmonkey said:
Well "exciting" means different things to different people.
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Definitely... somebody mentioned (not the OP) a brand new 2012 STi, FR-S, GTI... and to me those are pretty exciting cars. But I drive now a toyota SUV, so from my POV, those other cars are 'thrills on wheels'

On the other hand, ,,, If someone drives a new 2012 911, well... the GTI may seem sooo boring!
 
I come from the school of thought where you buy used... my folks weren't wealthy (or car people) growing up. I got my Accord five years old for exactly half the MSRP.

When we bought the '05 Forester, we almost bought a new Versa instead for $17,400 out the door (manual, with AC and PDL/PW). Which is a smoking deal, but it's hard to spend new money on a car that's that unexciting. I certainly felt that way, and my wife, who isn't a natural car enthusiast, even felt that way. Plus, we drove a few 5-yr-old same make/model cars on used lots and they didn't feel that fresh. The scoob with 115,000 kms on it definitely drives better than the 50,000 km Versas.

Also, Corollas aren't all they're cracked up to be. I know multiple '98-02 cars that have had oil consumption issues (including ours) at 150,000km+ mileage, and have heard that that defect made it into the later cars too.

I don't believe in buying and driving junkers, but we decided against spending almost $20k on a car we didn't enjoy. There has to be a balance, especially when the car's typically your second-biggest asset in life and something many people keep for 5-10 years.
 
MarcosSantiago said:
There is no beating Toyota resale value.

Buy a brand new Corolla for $20,000, sell it for $15,000 three years later.
Buy a brand new Elantra for $20,000, sell it for $12,000 three years later.

Which one was cheaper to own (over three years)?

Before you say "I don't like the beige Corolla car", let me ask you: do you like your money? Then buy the Corolla
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The depreciated value of a Corolla that has been driven over a cliff because I despise the thing so much, is a lot lower than the depreciated value of something that I actually like.
 
SunnY S said:
went car shoppin with a member of the fam.

First stop, Mazda. Sorry, but the 3 is a huuuge disappointment. Tight, poor ride, unimpressive interior. Reasonably priced, and a decent value, but we'll take a pass. Just didn't light the fire. The new CX-5? Took one of those out..... very nice. A tad gutless, but most of the vehicles in this class are. Huge and very impressive interior. The the overall shape and front styling is quite striking. Excellent drive and ride. Price was reasonable too. But deemed too big for the family member.

Next, Honda. Time to reevaluate the Civic again. Havent had a good look at one since it launched. Took the Si for a boot. Niiiice ride, but too "sporty". Took a EX civic. Styling is a very ho hum. But not sure why all the neg reviews on the interior? Pretty impressive and detailed dash with 2 screens. Quite roomy, and far more detailed and upscale then the Mazda 3. Drove nice, and rode nice. Excellent value too. Honda's got some nice rebates happening on 2012s.

Next week.... off to the VW dealer to inspect a Golf. I really like this car, and need to check it out to see if it will make the short list.
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Sorry... didn't quite make it to the VW dealer. The family member got scared off by the reliability concerns and the high cost of servicing and parts.

Winner.....

loaded to the gills with Navi and leather. $19,500 + tax. Legendary Honda reliability.

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BTW......... we also checked out the 2013 Honda Accord...... Very.Nice.

Interior is outstanding in this class.

The 4cyl manual does 0-60 in 6.6secs. The V6 Auto does it in 5.5secs.

Honda has a winner on its hands here. Very impressive overall vehicle.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-four-cylinder-manual-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sedan-v-6-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...-2012-volkswagen-passat-25-se-comparison-test
 
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Noticed the civic wasnt in your car and driver article. I see why:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-hears-2012-civic-criticisms-mulls-fast-track-refresh/

The redesigned, 2012 Honda Civic has gotten a lukewarm, if not outright hostile, reception from critics (ourselves among them). So when our colleagues at Automotive News reported that American Honda Motor’s executive vice president John Mendel suggested that the Civic’s first mid-cycle update could be moved ahead in response to the criticism (from spring 2014 to sometime in 2013), we did some digging to see what *that meant.
 
murf said:
Noticed the civic wasnt in your car and driver article. I see why:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-hears-2012-civic-criticisms-mulls-fast-track-refresh/

The redesigned, 2012 Honda Civic has gotten a lukewarm, if not outright hostile, reception from critics (ourselves among them). So when our colleagues at Automotive News reported that American Honda Motor’s executive vice president John Mendel suggested that the Civic’s first mid-cycle update could be moved ahead in response to the criticism (from spring 2014 to sometime in 2013), we did some digging to see what *that meant.
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In a tightly competitive market, its only logical to continue to improve with model refreshes and updates.

The compact class is cut throat. With new exciting entries coming from the Mazda 3, the new Golf, the excellent Focus, and increasing pressure from the Koreans.

2012 blowout pricing, proudly assembled in Canada, being a Top Safety Pick (it aced all the tests and got top ratings), and an award list as long as my left arm is a definite plus in recommending the Civic.

http://honda.ca/civic_sedan/awards

No wonder its Canada's best selling car for the past 14 consecutive years.
 
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Previous civics seemed to do better that the 2012. The awards arent very impressive, 4 for the 2012 and One is this:

Rated #1 for healthiest, least toxic interiors
Presented by
HealthyStuff.org
2012
Rated #1 for healthiest, least toxic interiors
Presented by
HealthyStuff.org
This vehicle was determined to have one of the healthiest interiors based on tests of chemical levels in the steering wheel, dashboard, armrests and

I think most would prefer a good Car and Driver report?
 
SunnY S said:
In a tightly competitive market, its only logical to continue to improve with model refreshes and updates.

The compact class is cut throat. With new exciting entries coming from the Mazda 3, the new Golf, the excellent Focus, and increasing pressure from the Koreans.

2012 blowout pricing, proudly assembled in Canada, being a Top Safety Pick (it aced all the tests and got top ratings), and an award list as long as my left arm is a definite plus in recommending the Civic.

http://honda.ca/civic_sedan/awards

No wonder its Canada's best selling car for the past 14 consecutive years.
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I have no idea why the civic is the best selling car for so many years. I'm guessing it is because the average consumer doesn't know any better. A friend of mine with a 2003 civic (worth noting that it was a problematic POS) said she needed to replace it with a new car. I said get anything but the new Civic. So what did she do? She ended buying a new civic based on its "reputation." Honda North America's marketing team must be doing a damn good job... They are still running on the praise the Civic legitimately earned in the 80's and 90's. Anything post 2001 without the K20 powertrain is midpack, and in more recent years they are lagging the competition.

New Accord is fantastic, I'm guessing you didn't look at the base model interior. A 9 year old corolla is better furnished than the base model 2013 Accord. Most dealers probably don't have the base model as demo's as it would drive people away.

By the way, I noticed you didn't create a new thread when A123 filed for bankruptcy. It wasn't too long ago you proclaimed that hybrids and electrics would be the way of the future.
 
SunnY S said:
Sorry... didn't quite make it to the VW dealer. The family member got scared off by the reliability concerns and the high cost of servicing and parts.

Winner.....

loaded to the gills with Navi and leather. $19,500 + tax. Legendary Honda reliability.

35iqhxh.jpg




BTW......... we also checked out the 2013 Honda Accord...... Very.Nice.

Interior is outstanding in this class.

The 4cyl manual does 0-60 in 6.6secs. The V6 Auto does it in 5.5secs.

Honda has a winner on its hands here. Very impressive overall vehicle.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-four-cylinder-manual-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2013-honda-accord-sedan-v-6-test-review
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...-2012-volkswagen-passat-25-se-comparison-test
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U know u wanted a Honda from the start, why go any further?

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