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America is no longer FREE
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Shaman
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Link jacker! But totally worth it, good call.
with the latest agreements the usa's reach here
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http://ehowa.com/2012/01/04/
President Obama just signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law despite startling provisions that will allow the military to indefinitely detain American citizens. It's a travesty, defying basic principles of justice and due process in perhaps the most extreme respect our nation has ever seen. If there's enough of a public outcry, we have a real chance of making this happen: More than 40 senators voted against the indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA -- and that was before the media and general public caught on to what was happening. Please urge your Senators to remedy this terrible wrong. http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/ndaa_reversal/
President Obama just signed the National Defense Authorization Act into law despite startling provisions that will allow the military to indefinitely detain American citizens. It's a travesty, defying basic principles of justice and due process in perhaps the most extreme respect our nation has ever seen. If there's enough of a public outcry, we have a real chance of making this happen: More than 40 senators voted against the indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA -- and that was before the media and general public caught on to what was happening. Please urge your Senators to remedy this terrible wrong. http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/ndaa_reversal/
Canada; America North
Is there a sentient being on the planet who believes that the food products from the country with the higher standards will be applied to both? Of course not. We're about to get all the poison the FDA has failed to control in US foods now.
And security. I went to the states with my Italian cousin the summer and she wasn't allowed entry without an iris scan and fingerprinting. When we got there, there were no lockers at the train station to leave our bags. 'cause dat's where dey put da bombs ya know? And any food we were carrying had to be discarded before entering the Capitol, 'cause dat's how dem tocsic weapins are spreaded don'tcha know?
All I have to say to that is, treat people like children and they will act like children. Treat them like criminals and they will act like criminals.
I'm starting to think this country is no longer for me.
Is there a sentient being on the planet who believes that the food products from the country with the higher standards will be applied to both? Of course not. We're about to get all the poison the FDA has failed to control in US foods now.
And security. I went to the states with my Italian cousin the summer and she wasn't allowed entry without an iris scan and fingerprinting. When we got there, there were no lockers at the train station to leave our bags. 'cause dat's where dey put da bombs ya know? And any food we were carrying had to be discarded before entering the Capitol, 'cause dat's how dem tocsic weapins are spreaded don'tcha know?
All I have to say to that is, treat people like children and they will act like children. Treat them like criminals and they will act like criminals.
I'm starting to think this country is no longer for me.
Which country; the US?
In other words you mean Canada, despite the fact that all of your complaints were explicitly about the US. Colour me confused.
recent "trade/security" bill has us adopting their food/drug standards, also canada often copies what the usa does in terms of laws
Never mind the conveniently embedded video, have you been following the news?
We are adopting all their standards. Border security, food standards, attitude towards guns. What else, banking and trading standards? With a negligent media and disinterested public, we may never know how much we have given away.
I don't want to live in the US but that's what we're being turned into.
Its the 51st state
Tighter border security is not a bad thing. Given the number of war criminals and former terrorists, that have been found in this country during recent years, it's obviously a necessity. It needs to work hand-in-hand with actually getting people, who have been declared persona non grata, out of the country though. Also, not creating a perimeter security plan that includes our nearest neighbour, with whom we share a huge and largely unguarded border, is simply an unrealistic position.
I would prefer that we maintain our food and drug standards, but some of that will obviously go by the wayside. It's unlikely that we'll be finding hormones in Canadian milk, any time soon (if ever) though. There are also many countries, that don't like our standards for irradiated and genetically engineered food, so we aren't necessarily the world benchmark.
The 'attitude towards guns' in Canada is unlikely to ever match that of the Americans. They're far more likely to move towards our model, than vise versa.
Banking standards? That was attempted, in the past, and failed miserably. Given the rather spectacular melt-down of the American economy, based largely in their lax financial standards, it is once again an area in which they are far more likely to emulate us, than us them.
Oh no, not guns! Someone think of the children!
We're not even frickin close to having the same gun laws as them. Until I see law abiding Canadians carrying pistols on their hips, we're way way behind the Americans.
I was about to say the say thing. But decided I don't feel like debating that today.
I've yet to see a large sign on a building in Canada that say "Guns Guns Guns"
When you read what you wrote, do you not just see a list of rationalizations?
A mandatory iris scan at the border is NOT a good thing. People complain about a billion dollar gun registry but have no problem with a billion dollar human registry. Of course it will spread to other areas, and probably Canada with rationalizations like yours. Clearly, there needs to be limits to police powers. I don't care if they have the best, purest and most noble intentions, guaranteed in perpetuity. The principle of civil liberties must remain inviolate.
It's one thing if the US lets itself fall into a police state but when we attach ourselves to them at the hip, then I have to worry about myself. The principle of soverignty matters too.
Harper asked in the video if Canada's sovereignty will fall apart if we have the same standards for jelly beans as the US? YES! Yes it absolutely will if we don't establish and follow standards based on our own interests, Mr. Harper! And yes, I am sure you will start to find rBGH in Canadian milk products much faster than you belive Rob.
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Reasons are not rationalizations.
OpenGambit
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I dont' think the civil right to move around in your own country extends to crossing borders. As you say, soverignty matters so as long as its their country they can do whatever they want to people that want to enter it.
OpenGambit
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As for financial regulations being better than the US. thats not really true, its better by chance in my view simply because the sector that really hurt the US didn't collapse in Canada ( real estate)
Much of our securities laws follows that of the US, and rather are more slack because we have a higher reliance on private equity and venture capitalism here because of our resource sectors.
An increase in regulation ( which they are talking about right now - the CSA is talking about changing the minimum investement and accredited investor prospectus exemptions) would be harmful to our private equity and in my view do little to protect the public.
Canada had our own version of the financial crisis a year before the US. look up the ABCP crisis ( asset backed commercial paper). we just managed to keep a lid on it with lots of lawyers/bankers/govt officals working full time around the clock on it for 8 months.
Much of our securities laws follows that of the US, and rather are more slack because we have a higher reliance on private equity and venture capitalism here because of our resource sectors.
An increase in regulation ( which they are talking about right now - the CSA is talking about changing the minimum investement and accredited investor prospectus exemptions) would be harmful to our private equity and in my view do little to protect the public.
Canada had our own version of the financial crisis a year before the US. look up the ABCP crisis ( asset backed commercial paper). we just managed to keep a lid on it with lots of lawyers/bankers/govt officals working full time around the clock on it for 8 months.
It's a little more complex than that. It could have been virtually anything upon which commercial paper is based, that crashed, and took down the financial sector. It just happened to be real estate, in this case. The issue was how much actual cash reserves, an institution must maintain, in order to back their financial products. From this standpoint Canada is far better off and has been so, for decades. It was essentially what MIGHT have happened here, in the incident you cite, if our own setup wasn't more conservative (fiscally speaking).
Oddly enough it has been the Conservatives, and before them the Progressive Conservatives, who were pushing for this additional level of protection to be removed. Now they get to claim that they saved us all, because of things that were put in place by their predecessors.
The American crash started with real estate, because of various predatory lending practices (that are also not used here), that cascaded into commercial paper, and then eventually took down their whole house of cards legal Ponzi Scheme.
OpenGambit
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Well this is obviously Coles notes version
But any event. There is NO reserve limit that could have saved the US. None.
Some people point to the merger of investment banking and retail banking, allowing retail banks to essentially make bets. That is part of it, but that isn't the whole picture.
The US had a hugely inflated real estate market that in my view resulted from artificially low interest rates ( since sept 11) and their long standing tax policies with mortgages.
this is combined with aggressive lending as well as ineffective safeguards (ratings agencies)
Personally, our "safeguards" didn't really do that much. we were lucky. Our ecnomy isnt' as service based and thus didn't tank completely because we still have emerging economies that need our resource.
Capital requirements for banks has an effect on the money supply, but when we are talking about banks losing half of their mark to market value overnight, triggering their insolvency provisions. There really is no capital reserve amount that could save them.
Hence the 7 Trillion dollars that the US banks borrowed from the Fed through the discount window, (thats 10 times the offical bailout)
I mean. they essentially needed 7 trillion dollars more of capital reserves to get out of that crap unscathed.
But any event. There is NO reserve limit that could have saved the US. None.
Some people point to the merger of investment banking and retail banking, allowing retail banks to essentially make bets. That is part of it, but that isn't the whole picture.
The US had a hugely inflated real estate market that in my view resulted from artificially low interest rates ( since sept 11) and their long standing tax policies with mortgages.
this is combined with aggressive lending as well as ineffective safeguards (ratings agencies)
Personally, our "safeguards" didn't really do that much. we were lucky. Our ecnomy isnt' as service based and thus didn't tank completely because we still have emerging economies that need our resource.
Capital requirements for banks has an effect on the money supply, but when we are talking about banks losing half of their mark to market value overnight, triggering their insolvency provisions. There really is no capital reserve amount that could save them.
Hence the 7 Trillion dollars that the US banks borrowed from the Fed through the discount window, (thats 10 times the offical bailout)
I mean. they essentially needed 7 trillion dollars more of capital reserves to get out of that crap unscathed.
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